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DH and I desperate for help/break from the kids (long)

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bistokids · 16/04/2011 22:43

We have two lovely daughters aged 5.9 and 1.10, we live in our home town and we both work (I do three days). Sadly, my own parents are deceased and I have no other relatives. DH has one brother who lives at the other end of the country and who has issues with being out of work/getting divorced/alcoholism. His parents live locally to us, they are both 61 and retired, fit and well.

DH is the elder brother - the 'successful' one. He has a good job - we look for all the world like a family who are 'coping' and 'sorted', however, we are hanging in by the skin of our teeth and so desperate for help with the girls. They are lovely children, but both very verbal, bright and demanding (I wouldn't say spoilt - just always on the go and full of ideas - DD1 is on the gifted and talented thingy at school). The 4 year age gap means they demand very different things - the little one wants to play chase, the big one wants help with a jigsaw. We're always knackered. DD1 woke at 5am every day for the first 3 years (sometimes 4am) - we took it in turns to get up at 4-5am every day for that three years until she learned to read a clock. I don't think we have ever recovered. Our marriage isn't in a good state.

In the last 5.9 years, I can count on one hand the times my PILs have helped with the kids. They once took DD1 for a walk when DH rang them from work to tell them I was desperate for help (that was in 2006). They also took her out to feed the ducks on Easter Sunday last year because we had cooked lunch and this gave us chance to clear up the dishes afterwards. We moved house in January and they gave us half a day of help but this consisted of (literally) barricading DD2 into the dining room until she howled and howled, at which point MIL repeatedly told her she was 'naughty' (she wasn't - she had been barricaded into a room for hours). On the plus side, we got to move lots of boxes around the house, though they left at exactly 5pm to have their dinner in a local pub, as 5pm was the time they had agreed with each other to leave. They have never been alone with DD2, who is almost 2.

My in-laws are not very perceptive and even when I've tried to explain we need help, it seems to go over their head. They rarely visited until recently (FIL retired 5 years ago) when MIL retired from her part-time job and complained she didn't know how she would fill her time (FIL goes fishing and watches a lot of telly). She decided she would visit every Thursday. I work every other Thursday, which means she collects DD1 from school on the weeks I work. She brings sweets for both children but doesn't see DD2 as DD2 is at nursery that day. I do appreciate this help, but it's always felt more about filling MIL's time than helping us out. FIL rarely visits unless we are cooking him a meal, particularly if he thinks it will be a barbeque. When he does visit, he is totally disinterested in the kids but very interested in our telly because we have Sky TV and he doesn't. He pointedly visits if there's a football match he wants to see but is quite happy to sit alone in the sitting room with the door closed where the kids can't disturb him.

DH says his parents both grew up in emotionally cold households. He is disappointed by the lack of involvement (which hit him last December when they refused to come to DD1's nativity play because it was being held at 9.30am and they didn't want to get up so early) but accepts this is how they are. They are recently beginning to show some interest in DH's brother since he admitted being an alcoholic. In comparison, we seem fine. In reality, we are screaming. Not waving but drowning.

I would love not to have to do the bedtime thing, just once. I would love somebody else to make the kids' tea - just once. They are well behaved, in a good routine, go to bed at 7pm and always go straight to sleep. We have a babysitter we pay but obviously we can't stay the night anywhere. I worry we are heading for a divorce - we spend no time together, we pass the children like batons to juggle our work commitments, we spilt up all the time to give the children the attention they need (for example, one takes DD1 rollerskating, the other stays home with DD2 who still has a nap).

I have really begun to resent this situation. We have no life, no marriage. We are like zombies, two mates doing 24 hour on-call rotas looking after these children with no support whatsoever. I have begun to resent my in-laws, especially when they tell me of the increasingly bizarre ways they are finding of filling their time (most recently, travelling to random places and back via several modes of transport, just to fill their day and because it's free now they have a bus pass - they have a car too). DH was going to invite them for Easter but I've finally said no. I don't want to cook for them - we have them several times a year for sunday lunch and they usually repay the favour once (boxing day, cold meats and bread type thing). I'm so tired, I don't know where to turn.

Not good this, is it?

I feel so lonely and desperate for a break.

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wubblybubbly · 17/04/2011 00:27

bisto, please do see your GP. I took anti depressants for a while, but what really helped me get through was CBT counselling. Very, very quickly it helped me break the cycle of expecting too much of myself, failing, feeling rubbish, setting even higher targets, failing and so on. Just stopping that thinking process changed everything for me.

I wish you the very best of luck.

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MadameCastafiore · 17/04/2011 00:30

Go visit the doctor and tell him you are not coping then employ someone to help - feck those who have an issue with it if you can afford it go ahead and do it - nothing to do with anyone else.

I put kids in ursery when they were younger just to have a bit of time to myself - couldn;t give a flying feck what others thought - much easier to cope when you get a whole or two half days a week to yourself.

Maybe try a local parenting group too - will help you meet other people in your position and help you with coping mechanisms for when you want to tr]hrow the kids out of the window (something my uncle said we all feel like at one time or another - doesn;t make us bad parents - welll unless we do it!) Good Luck and keep talking it helps enourmously.

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Blu · 17/04/2011 00:33

Oh, god, no, loads of times I didn't cope, and I only have one child!
Gritting my teeth hissng 'don't WHINGE', barely remaining calm trying to get him to sleep night after night, BORED with standing in the park, in tears in our hotel room in Paris because he wouldn't eat, sleep, stay in bed, keep off the grass (that matters in Paris!)...yelling at DP...partly it was years of being woken at 5am, partly being used to being in control of my exciting life, and partly, I was depressed. So everything became a spiral of misery, negativity and blame.

bistokids · 17/04/2011 00:41

Blu

That's me. I think 'it's like having a chimp living in my life'. A very cute, cuddly, funny chimp that I truly do adore but I find it wearing. I've done it before. I'm past that mentally - I'm with my 6 year old who wants to go to the cinema - I couldn't wait for her to get past the toddler stage - I felt the same way about her then (we were living abroad) and we have a great relationship now. I hope I haven;t damaged the relationship with my little one.

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bistokids · 17/04/2011 00:43

(actually, even my big one finds the little one wearing. She doesn;t want her at her birthday party because 'she'll wreck it'. I'm not the only one finding her hard to handle...)

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Blu · 17/04/2011 00:48

Well, it IS wearing!
I'm sure you won't have damaged your relationship - you talk about her in a delightful way. And the defining thing about 2 yos is that they are undaunted! They seem to be built to keep going in the face of the most daunting obstacle, inclusing a mother going 'no, no NO!'. She will survive with her smile intact!

And the good news is she's nearly 3 and by 3.5 they are really grown up. Within 7 or 8 months you may fnd that she can manage one of those scooters with two small wheels at one end, and enjoy the school run etc.

Do you have a garden? Get her a low trampoline with a net.

Blu · 17/04/2011 00:50

Yes, but that's perfectly normal sibling relationship, too.

Maryz · 17/04/2011 00:51

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DoWeNeedASolicitor · 17/04/2011 01:06

shineon - if you're struggling to be sympathetic, then don't bleeding well bother posting Hmm

RumourOfAHurricane · 17/04/2011 01:07

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DoWeNeedASolicitor · 17/04/2011 01:14

I agree the OP sounds depressed and needs to see her doctor. However, I don't see why you have to play the single parent card, Shiney. If OP isn't coping because she's depressed then having a cleaner and a holiday booked isn't the issue. She needs some support, just as you did recently when you were struggling - you got masses of sympathy so try giving some back.

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DoWeNeedASolicitor · 17/04/2011 01:23

It's bad form to be unkind to a poster who is obviously going through a very difficult time right now.

KatieMiddleton · 17/04/2011 01:35

You do sound terribly depressed OP and lonely. I'm reluctant to suggest "solutions" because if you are depressed they'll make bugger all difference but here are a few suggestions.

  1. If you have room get an au pair. Company for you, playmate for dc and once s/he's settled in overnight childcare.
  2. Ask MIL/FIL if they would have one dc for a specific period. Say 2hrs one Sat afternoon so you, your dh and other dc can do something together. If they say no ask when would be a good time. If it's still no cut your losses and walk away.
  3. Invite a couple of your elder dd's friends round to play - they should return the favour.
  4. Find something just for you. It might be joining a book group, learning a craft, doing some volunteering, swimming or just watching some shite on the telly but do it in a planned way so that it's yours.
Bit0fFunnyBunny · 17/04/2011 01:36

The single parent thing is not exactly a card- it's bringing a bit of perspective into play, which can help you see things differently. Mumsnet tends to give you that...and I don't think it's unkind to point it out either, as it does lend some weight to the possibility that bistokids is experiencing something a bit beyond your usual understandable gripes.

I agree that seeing your GP is a logical next step, and hope you get some help- you sound very low.

MadameCastafiore · 17/04/2011 01:36

We all cope with tigs differnetly and I wonder if the OP realised what a big change kids make to your life.

The SOuth Bank thing for instance - it is rea;istic if they did it at the weekend and took the kids and stayed in a hotel with a listening service or booked one of those babysitters who are qualified nannies or you just wait until kids are old enougha nd you have a slep over and then get the other parent to do the same for you so you both get a night awy - seems a long way off but it isn;t really - you just have to be relistic - my parents - well my mum is dead but my father has never met DS so half of me wants to shout at just how lucky OP is to have parents around but that is the lest that I have had top cope with so I have pretty great coping mechanisms - maybe the Op doesn't but is going to learn them with a little help from the doctor a good nursery and mumsnet.

piprabbit · 17/04/2011 01:42

I'm so sorry that you are finding parenting so tough.
I have a 4year gap between my two (7 and nearly 3) and do find it very difficult to find activities that they can both enjoy. My youngest is a bit of whirlwind, fights, bites etc. and I feel so sorry for my eldest who seems to be permanently getting bashed or her activities cut short because the youngest kicks off.
I'm very lucky that I have family support locally - but I still find it hard to juggle them both.

Please do try and find your local children's centre - you should find that they can offer activities for your toddler plus support and advice for you. If you lived near me, I would also suggest that you go along to some fab free parenting courses which can really help with ideas and perspective on parenting.

In the meantime, it does sound like you should see your GP.

Good Luck.

claireandmattsmum · 17/04/2011 01:53

Your PILs were probably disinterested parents as well - and if they were like that when they were younger, they will certainly not be changing now! You have my sympathy. I was fortunate: my parents and PILs were very good to us and helped all they could and I can well understand how you must feel, and frankly I think I'd have felt like that if my relatives had been as unhelpful as your PILs.

Yes, they are your children, but I would have thought, as grandparents, they might have shown more interest - you know, the extended family and all that. They sound very selfish, but, oh what's that saying? Ah yes. "As ye sow, shall ye reap". Time will come when your PILs will get old and will be expecting a loving son, DIL and, of course, attentive grandchildren.

HA!

claireandmattsmum · 17/04/2011 01:56

Oh, and in case anyone wonders: I'm a grandmother of 4 year old twins (and another one on the way). I can't get enough of my grandchildren and love them to bits. This is why I find it so hard to understand how grandparents can be so cold.

ll31 · 17/04/2011 01:59

your children are asleep at 7? I really dont see your issue.. I think your inlaws are not responsible for your children - they're your children. maybe try and see possiblity of having fun together ie with all family not having to leave children elsewhere to enjoy yourself