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DH and I desperate for help/break from the kids (long)

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bistokids · 16/04/2011 22:43

We have two lovely daughters aged 5.9 and 1.10, we live in our home town and we both work (I do three days). Sadly, my own parents are deceased and I have no other relatives. DH has one brother who lives at the other end of the country and who has issues with being out of work/getting divorced/alcoholism. His parents live locally to us, they are both 61 and retired, fit and well.

DH is the elder brother - the 'successful' one. He has a good job - we look for all the world like a family who are 'coping' and 'sorted', however, we are hanging in by the skin of our teeth and so desperate for help with the girls. They are lovely children, but both very verbal, bright and demanding (I wouldn't say spoilt - just always on the go and full of ideas - DD1 is on the gifted and talented thingy at school). The 4 year age gap means they demand very different things - the little one wants to play chase, the big one wants help with a jigsaw. We're always knackered. DD1 woke at 5am every day for the first 3 years (sometimes 4am) - we took it in turns to get up at 4-5am every day for that three years until she learned to read a clock. I don't think we have ever recovered. Our marriage isn't in a good state.

In the last 5.9 years, I can count on one hand the times my PILs have helped with the kids. They once took DD1 for a walk when DH rang them from work to tell them I was desperate for help (that was in 2006). They also took her out to feed the ducks on Easter Sunday last year because we had cooked lunch and this gave us chance to clear up the dishes afterwards. We moved house in January and they gave us half a day of help but this consisted of (literally) barricading DD2 into the dining room until she howled and howled, at which point MIL repeatedly told her she was 'naughty' (she wasn't - she had been barricaded into a room for hours). On the plus side, we got to move lots of boxes around the house, though they left at exactly 5pm to have their dinner in a local pub, as 5pm was the time they had agreed with each other to leave. They have never been alone with DD2, who is almost 2.

My in-laws are not very perceptive and even when I've tried to explain we need help, it seems to go over their head. They rarely visited until recently (FIL retired 5 years ago) when MIL retired from her part-time job and complained she didn't know how she would fill her time (FIL goes fishing and watches a lot of telly). She decided she would visit every Thursday. I work every other Thursday, which means she collects DD1 from school on the weeks I work. She brings sweets for both children but doesn't see DD2 as DD2 is at nursery that day. I do appreciate this help, but it's always felt more about filling MIL's time than helping us out. FIL rarely visits unless we are cooking him a meal, particularly if he thinks it will be a barbeque. When he does visit, he is totally disinterested in the kids but very interested in our telly because we have Sky TV and he doesn't. He pointedly visits if there's a football match he wants to see but is quite happy to sit alone in the sitting room with the door closed where the kids can't disturb him.

DH says his parents both grew up in emotionally cold households. He is disappointed by the lack of involvement (which hit him last December when they refused to come to DD1's nativity play because it was being held at 9.30am and they didn't want to get up so early) but accepts this is how they are. They are recently beginning to show some interest in DH's brother since he admitted being an alcoholic. In comparison, we seem fine. In reality, we are screaming. Not waving but drowning.

I would love not to have to do the bedtime thing, just once. I would love somebody else to make the kids' tea - just once. They are well behaved, in a good routine, go to bed at 7pm and always go straight to sleep. We have a babysitter we pay but obviously we can't stay the night anywhere. I worry we are heading for a divorce - we spend no time together, we pass the children like batons to juggle our work commitments, we spilt up all the time to give the children the attention they need (for example, one takes DD1 rollerskating, the other stays home with DD2 who still has a nap).

I have really begun to resent this situation. We have no life, no marriage. We are like zombies, two mates doing 24 hour on-call rotas looking after these children with no support whatsoever. I have begun to resent my in-laws, especially when they tell me of the increasingly bizarre ways they are finding of filling their time (most recently, travelling to random places and back via several modes of transport, just to fill their day and because it's free now they have a bus pass - they have a car too). DH was going to invite them for Easter but I've finally said no. I don't want to cook for them - we have them several times a year for sunday lunch and they usually repay the favour once (boxing day, cold meats and bread type thing). I'm so tired, I don't know where to turn.

Not good this, is it?

I feel so lonely and desperate for a break.

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caughtinanet · 16/04/2011 23:03

OK, I started my post before you told us that your DH works nights - that bit of info does make a big difference.

On the whole I agree with the majority of posts, forget the inlaws and accept that bringing up small children is hard . Are there outdoor activities near you that your DDs could do together - even if its just a park or a walk they could burn off energy together.

BooBooGlass · 16/04/2011 23:03

You are still bringing up the inlaws. Forget them. By your own admission they do help, but they are not obliged to. They're just not offerign the right help as you see it. It does sound like depression to me, you can be diagnosed with PND as much as 2 years after a birth iirc. Please stop the negative thoughts towards them though, it will only make you bitter, and your dc will pick up on it. They have 2 parents who are bringing them up. They don't need grandparents to step into that role.

bistokids · 16/04/2011 23:07

I guess I don't have the right skills - I don't have a role model. My parents divorced when I was little (died now, as I said) but my mum wasn't well. It turned out she had a personality disorder. She wasn't great at being a parent in terms of being supportive so I more or less brought myself up (well, there's no more or less about it). I don't have anything to look back on to guide me raising my kids. DH has the same problem - his parents offered no guidance, like many parents, just put food on the table and sheets on the bed.

I wish it were different. It's a lonely place. That's the 'thing' I'm not saying

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Blu · 16/04/2011 23:08

Well, you have sympathy from me.
It sound pretty lonely really, having no parents or other relatives to show your girls off too - If I was you I would feel outraged (whether it''s rational or not!) that your ILs simply can't be bothered t see the nativity while you would give anything to have your own parents dote on them and well up at thier nativity!!

I think there are two things going on: 1. yes, you are tired out with the juggling act and need a bit of a breather, and 2. You are fcussing everything on the injustice of the ILs and their hands-off attitude.

But the ILs are using up loads of your emotional energy. I know you feel they ought to take more interest, but in truth, they sound pretty horrible and I dont think you would be that happy leaving them overnight with soeone who calls them 'naughty'after being distressed at being locked away on a very confusing day for a child!

How are you financially? CenerParcs have a creche and activities for 5 year olds where you can leave them - even 2 hours in the spa together, and then a meal out (yeah, even in CP) while one of thier babysitters stays with the kids, can give you a little time toegtehr in different circumstances. But a holiday with a good holiday club / creche could work wonders. Even if ££ is v tight, an investment in your marriage is worth it.

It IS wearing working, juggling, managing 2 kids - heaven knows you are entiltled to vent.

noddyholder · 16/04/2011 23:09

Where do you live ? If you can say maybe we can help x

MavisEnderby · 16/04/2011 23:11

It IS difficult if your dcs are at different stages.Mine are 7 and 5 though the 5 yo has an intellectual age of 2.

Things we do together:

Park
Swimming
Cycling
Museums
Days out to attractions
Library
Walks
Crafty stuff (colouring/glueing/painting)
TV
Baking (difficult with dd,as she tends to drop/break stuff,have to steel myself for this)
Tootling around in the garden

It can all be done with just one parent enabling the other to get a break xx

Maryz · 16/04/2011 23:12

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bistokids · 16/04/2011 23:15

Regarding easter.

I don't want to cook easter lunch. It just adds to this 'coping, functioning' image.

We do do things with the kids together. We went to a national trust property today. It has a playground which DD1 loved but DD2 was a nightmare on it - it was too old for her (equipment dangerous for her at 1yr 10months). DD2 hurt herself trying to climb. Wouldn't go in the buggy, had huge tantrum, I didn't have the energy to cope with the tantrum. We went home.

That's a typical day out.

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annh · 16/04/2011 23:15

I have to be honest and say that your situation sounds very similar to that of any two parents with two small, active children and not much family support. There are thousands of parents like you up and down the country - I was one of them, except we lived abroad when our children were little so there was NO chance of any help from family. In some ways, you are better off than many as you can afford to pay a babysitter so you can go out sometimes.

I'm not being unsympathetic because it is knackering working and looking after small children but I'm not sure that you can blame the state of your marriage entirely on your situation vis-a-vis children and ILs. You have a whole evening ahead of you once your children are in bed. I know most of it probably goes on tidying, washing up, ironing, etc but it's got to be possible to carve out some time for the two of you to talk, watch a movie on TV, have a takeaway.

Forget your ILs, it would be nice if they helped but you can't make them be interested and it sounds as if you have really tried to ask them for help, so just forget about them and source help from elsewhere. Could you afford/have space for an aupair? Or get a cleaner/gardener/ironing lady or even a Saturday nanny for the morning/afternoon so you and dh can have some time alone or so that you can both take one child to an activity and spend time together that way?

MavisEnderby · 16/04/2011 23:17

Oh and I don't know if you are in a city or country but if there is a childrens centre near you they often do lots of groups and activities if you felt up to attending them xxx

It is really hard when they are small but like others have said gets easier when they are both at nurser/school :)

Olihan · 16/04/2011 23:20

I can't see anywhere in your post where you say you have specifically asked them for an overnight break or babysitting.

How close are either of your birthdays? Could your dh ask them to babysit for a night so you can go away as it's a special occasion? If they come to yours then your dc will be more settled, have all their toys around them, their routine won't be interrupted and your FIL will be able to watch Sky to his heart's content.

I know from experience with depression that one's perception of a situation isn't always the most accurate and it's easy to descend into a blame cycle that really isn't a true reflection of events.

If your MIL is the more receptive then perhaps your DH could talk to her and explain how hard life is for both of you at the moment and how desperate you both are for a break. Or you could do it on one of the thursdays when you are off and ask her outright for some babysitting, explaining how tough it is for you and dh as a couple when you don't see each other.

I think if you want some help then you need to be more proactive in getting some.

Blu · 16/04/2011 23:20

I x-posted with your last post - and most before that.
What you say about parenting role models makes sense.
But my guess is that that undermines your confidence rather than your skills. I bet you are a fantastic Mum, but just don't know it. And your ILs distance gives you no feedback - if they were doting around going 'oh they are so sweet' you would feel you could take some of the credit for that - all praise for our kids raises our confidence in how we do as parents. Shallow, but true Grin.

I wondered from your tone in your OP whether you have a little chronic depression - I was depressed when DS was 2, and a v low dose AD for 6 months only transformed me - back to the real me that I thought I should be.

With your family background, you may also benefit from some counselling - if you more or less brought yourself up, there's no remembered voice in your head telling you how well you're doing.

Do you have friends with children of the age either of your 2 are?

Oh - how brilliant that your dd1 is on the G&T register and doing so well.

MavisEnderby · 16/04/2011 23:22

I agree with Blu,eloquently put,much better than I could!Look after yourself,opxx

fivegomadinthelambingshed · 16/04/2011 23:23

YOu know what, let your DD2 get on with it, we had the same with DS as he was younger than DD.

YOu have to suck it up with the non breaks, there are an awful lot of families out there in the same/ worse situation.

Maryz · 16/04/2011 23:23

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Blu · 16/04/2011 23:26

Oh, don't cook Easter lunch.

The only reason to do that would be if you would enjoy creating the meal and then the family occasion.You won't, atm, so don't.

Truly - after your description of your day today, you do sound a bit depressed. And quite anxious.

superrach73 · 16/04/2011 23:27

I would just like to say that no matter how any of you judge bistokids' situation sometimes we all need a little support and maybe she thought here was the place to get it. How wrong she was!! Bistokids - I hope you feel better soon. Whatever happened to sisterhood?! X

bistokids · 16/04/2011 23:28

Lots of good suggestions, thanks, I'm thinking about them.

Financially we are fine. I hesitate to say that because it often leads to a flaming from somebody (or bodies) who are not financially fine and think that anyone who doesn't have money worries doesn't have worries at all.

I have considered advertising for a mother's help. I work 2.5 days a week but work it over a fortnight, which is why I have every other Thursday off. I got a cleaner a while back, mainly because I was workign 3 jobs and I was heavily pregnant and just needed the help. She turns out to be really lovely and she does the ironign which is a massive help. I would love a mothers help but how do I justify that? I'm st home 2 days with the little one and we do the school run and now the weather has improved, I can chuck them both into the garden for a while after school or we can go to a park. The winter months wwere dreadful. I'm not sure I can justify the mother's help so haven't ever advertised.

DH and I had lunch in a nice place on Wednesday with DD1 because she was off school and it was actually really nice and she was beautifully behaved because she's almost 6 - we all enjoyed it. We could never have gone there with a baby the age of DD2.

Funnily enough, we are going to Centerparcs in June. The information came through today - I didn't realise they had babysitters. Wow. And restarurants and a spa. God, what time does it close? Let me in!

I'm sorry if I've come across wrong. I'm really doing my best. I don;t know why we aren't coping - we've had six really hard years (lived abroad for one of those - with a small child - good experience but very difficult). We're tired. We both have responsible jobs (the sort you don't leave behind). We had kids in our mid-thirties. They truly are the best kids kids - love them dearly but there's something about me that can't cope.

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upthehill · 16/04/2011 23:33

I have no family close by, nearest are 3 hrs away, and I find it is easy to resent what others appear to have.

Lots of my friends have grandparents who help out, so you could pop to the dentist without having to drag 2 kids with you etc.

I have never had this and so have had to accept that that is how it is for me - it is a pain and the kids do stress me out.

I think you will have to accept that this is how it is for you too. Yes, on paper, you should have that grandparent help due to their proximity, but you don't. They won't change now and that is the way it is for you.

Personally I would forget about them, just think of it that you don't have any family locally and accept that that is how it is. If not, the resentment will built and build and become a real issue.

Try to find other ways to adapt. I used a childminder for my youngest to get a couple of child free mornings each week when my youngest was at nursery so could get something done. Yes it did cost money but was about £100 a month and it saved my sanity. I did feel guilty about it, but my husband was supportive and looking back I can see that it was money well spent.

Now the youngest is a bit older he goes to playgroup (where I leave him) 3 mornings a week. I get a lot more head space now which has helped my relationship with my husband - we still rarely go out though!

MavisEnderby · 16/04/2011 23:33

The mothers help sounds like a really good idea xx

Maybe you should visit your Gp too??

You haven't come across wrong at allxx

Tiredness is a killer!!

Hugs,Mavis

Maryz · 16/04/2011 23:33

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bistokids · 16/04/2011 23:36

Realised I didn't answer questions about other people locally with kids. I have lots of friends with kids but they tend to be the same age as DD1. When I was pregnant with her, we had antenatal groups and I made friends locally. Kids are obviously all nearly 6 now but unfortunatley they were all 'second' kids and DD1 was my first. The things they want to do now aren't any good for DD2 or the mums are all 'hands free' on a Friday because their kids are at school while I have DD2 at home.

One of them invited us all round three Fridays ago. She's done some cakes. DD2 demolished the cakes all over this lovely new Amdega garden room so she let her out into the garden. The play equipment was too old (didn;t stop her trying) so I spent the morning in the garden watching them drink coffee through the window. If you already feel isolated, that doesn't help.

When I was pg with DD2, they'd scrapped antenatal groups. I don;t know anyone locally with a child of the same age. When we're not on the school run, it's just the two of us. If DH is in bed at the weekend, I feel despondednt coping with both.

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michelle2011 · 16/04/2011 23:38

just scanned the posts here but why dont you come out and ask your inlaws to take one of your daughters say one afternoon a week. just ask them. that way you can just focus on one child. you sound exhausted and i know the feeling. the problem is once exhausted if you dont get a chance to relax and recover you will go insane with tiredness. here are some things off the top of my head:

  1. think of somewhere, something your inlaws can do with one of your daughters - jigsaws, puzzles etc. for say 2/3 or 4 hours a week. tell them you want them to spend time with the older experienced generation and you want her to learn from their wisdom.

i would practically force them, i personally think its a disgrace they dont do anything with them

  1. with each child have some one on one time so you can improve the bond you have with your child. there are some great books out there if you feel you arent sure what do re parenting etc (btw were all learning thats why its called the hardest job in the world)
  1. if possible whilst DD is with the inlaws ask a friend to have your other DD and go off for a swim, read etc DO NOTHING AND ENJOY IT
  1. I hear you on the marriage front ... muster the energy to be intimate together and make a pattern of it it could help you bond more
  1. start having a positive mental attitude. remember there are always people out there who are worse off than you

And if you dont want to cook for Easter THEN DONT, do what you want to do. Tell them you are not well or dont think youl have the energy. You dont exist to make life comfortable for them since theyre not helping you are they?

Finally, always be nice to their faces. Dont fall out with your inlaws. Its not worth the hassle. Firm but polite always

GOOD LUCK

upthehill · 16/04/2011 23:39

You sound like me when I need a break from the kids. Can you get an hour tomorrow and go for a walk, run, bike ride.

I bet it will make you feel tons better to feel unburdened for a bit.

I often go out early morning at the weekend, I was out at 8am this morning, for a 30min cycle. When I get back they are still in their PJs have barely noticed I've been away but I feel like a new person!

michelle2011 · 16/04/2011 23:39

may or may not be for you but there are some great tips in this book

www.amazon.com/Attached-Heart-Parenting-Principles-Compassionate/dp/0595463525

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