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DH and I desperate for help/break from the kids (long)

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bistokids · 16/04/2011 22:43

We have two lovely daughters aged 5.9 and 1.10, we live in our home town and we both work (I do three days). Sadly, my own parents are deceased and I have no other relatives. DH has one brother who lives at the other end of the country and who has issues with being out of work/getting divorced/alcoholism. His parents live locally to us, they are both 61 and retired, fit and well.

DH is the elder brother - the 'successful' one. He has a good job - we look for all the world like a family who are 'coping' and 'sorted', however, we are hanging in by the skin of our teeth and so desperate for help with the girls. They are lovely children, but both very verbal, bright and demanding (I wouldn't say spoilt - just always on the go and full of ideas - DD1 is on the gifted and talented thingy at school). The 4 year age gap means they demand very different things - the little one wants to play chase, the big one wants help with a jigsaw. We're always knackered. DD1 woke at 5am every day for the first 3 years (sometimes 4am) - we took it in turns to get up at 4-5am every day for that three years until she learned to read a clock. I don't think we have ever recovered. Our marriage isn't in a good state.

In the last 5.9 years, I can count on one hand the times my PILs have helped with the kids. They once took DD1 for a walk when DH rang them from work to tell them I was desperate for help (that was in 2006). They also took her out to feed the ducks on Easter Sunday last year because we had cooked lunch and this gave us chance to clear up the dishes afterwards. We moved house in January and they gave us half a day of help but this consisted of (literally) barricading DD2 into the dining room until she howled and howled, at which point MIL repeatedly told her she was 'naughty' (she wasn't - she had been barricaded into a room for hours). On the plus side, we got to move lots of boxes around the house, though they left at exactly 5pm to have their dinner in a local pub, as 5pm was the time they had agreed with each other to leave. They have never been alone with DD2, who is almost 2.

My in-laws are not very perceptive and even when I've tried to explain we need help, it seems to go over their head. They rarely visited until recently (FIL retired 5 years ago) when MIL retired from her part-time job and complained she didn't know how she would fill her time (FIL goes fishing and watches a lot of telly). She decided she would visit every Thursday. I work every other Thursday, which means she collects DD1 from school on the weeks I work. She brings sweets for both children but doesn't see DD2 as DD2 is at nursery that day. I do appreciate this help, but it's always felt more about filling MIL's time than helping us out. FIL rarely visits unless we are cooking him a meal, particularly if he thinks it will be a barbeque. When he does visit, he is totally disinterested in the kids but very interested in our telly because we have Sky TV and he doesn't. He pointedly visits if there's a football match he wants to see but is quite happy to sit alone in the sitting room with the door closed where the kids can't disturb him.

DH says his parents both grew up in emotionally cold households. He is disappointed by the lack of involvement (which hit him last December when they refused to come to DD1's nativity play because it was being held at 9.30am and they didn't want to get up so early) but accepts this is how they are. They are recently beginning to show some interest in DH's brother since he admitted being an alcoholic. In comparison, we seem fine. In reality, we are screaming. Not waving but drowning.

I would love not to have to do the bedtime thing, just once. I would love somebody else to make the kids' tea - just once. They are well behaved, in a good routine, go to bed at 7pm and always go straight to sleep. We have a babysitter we pay but obviously we can't stay the night anywhere. I worry we are heading for a divorce - we spend no time together, we pass the children like batons to juggle our work commitments, we spilt up all the time to give the children the attention they need (for example, one takes DD1 rollerskating, the other stays home with DD2 who still has a nap).

I have really begun to resent this situation. We have no life, no marriage. We are like zombies, two mates doing 24 hour on-call rotas looking after these children with no support whatsoever. I have begun to resent my in-laws, especially when they tell me of the increasingly bizarre ways they are finding of filling their time (most recently, travelling to random places and back via several modes of transport, just to fill their day and because it's free now they have a bus pass - they have a car too). DH was going to invite them for Easter but I've finally said no. I don't want to cook for them - we have them several times a year for sunday lunch and they usually repay the favour once (boxing day, cold meats and bread type thing). I'm so tired, I don't know where to turn.

Not good this, is it?

I feel so lonely and desperate for a break.

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michelle2011 · 16/04/2011 23:43

CANT STAND people who spout YOUR CHILDREN ARE YOUR CHILDREN - yes we know that and anyone asking for help its perfectly normal to expect FAMILY to assist. THATS WHAT FAMILIES DO!! It is ODD that a grandparent would not welcome the company of their own flesh and blood.

Makes my blood boil hearing mothers say to other mothers of small children THEYRE YOUR KIDS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! brainless

Maryz · 16/04/2011 23:44

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dixiechick1975 · 16/04/2011 23:45

Sorry you are struggling.

What stands out for me is a lot of negativity towards your little one - what she stops you doing, what you could do if you didn't have her.

Was she planned or were you perhaphs persuaded to expand the family against your instincts - sorry if I am way off.

Could you do something to bond with her - maybe a music class, baby swimming or something - something nice that is just for the two of you.

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pigsinmud · 16/04/2011 23:48

Don't beat yourself up. I don't think other people telling you that they are in the same situation and they cope is particularly helpful! You can always find people in a worse position than yourself, but it doesn't help with how you actually feel.

Try and go somewhere together as a family as others have said. Just find a park and let them both run. NT places are great places for a nearly 2 year old.

Don't do Easter - why should you? Go for an Easter egg hunt or something fun.

MavisEnderby · 16/04/2011 23:48

Michelle,well yes,of course in an ideal world we would all like our parents/pils to help look after our chidren

Sadly some just don't want too,and in PILS case some are just too elderly and poorly to do it,even though they do wish too.Own dm also has health issues that means she struggles to look after dcs for a full day.

bistokids · 16/04/2011 23:50

You know, a few weeks ago we visited some old friends in London. Typical thing, their kids are 8/6 and they can do all these great things but we're really limited by the buggy/tantrum/nappy changing facilites/early morning start combo.

Anyway, we went for a walk along the South Bank. It was a glorious day, really sunny. We walked from Westminster to Tower Bridge and over to Tower Hill with the aid of the pushchair and spells on the reins.

There was so much to see. We used to live close to London before we had kids and we were always up there seeing galleries or just hanging out in the parks (we do grieve our past life - part of the problem - we live 300 miles away now). We'd forgotted what a great place London is, especially the south bank. We're both interested in history, particularly periods of history around 1770-1870 and much of what we've read relates to the role of the river Thames in London.

So we're walking along the south bank and there's all this history. Stuff written on the walls - plaques etc. It was like a living history book. I just wanted to read it but I had DD2 on the reins and was being dragged along. I felt utterly defeated.

When we got home, we both commented on what had happened and how much history there was to explore on the south bank and how we'd love to go back without the kids but as it's 300 miles away, there's no chance. And I cooked this plan that we could get the really early train (7am) and we could have a day there if the in-laws would look after the kids. We could do it on a school day because DD2 is in nursery 3 days so there would be no actual childcare beyond getting them to school/nusery and making tea//going to bed.

DH thought it was a great idea but said he felt sad it couldn't happen. His parents might agree (might) but they would be so disapproving. They might agree but against their will and they'd show it on their faces and be huffy with us. BIL and SIL asked them to have our nephew while they went overnight to a wedding (he was 3) and they refused.

The trip to the south bank remains a pipe dream!

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pigsinmud · 16/04/2011 23:52

Trip to the south bank can happen in a few years when the children are a bit bigger. It will happen, just not now.

mamatomany · 16/04/2011 23:54

You will have all the time in the world for these pipe dreams when your children will no longer be seen dead with you, it happens very quickly and the time flies by, you won't believe me saying that now but it does, my eldest is 11 and it doesn't seem 5 mins since she was in a buggy.

Blu · 16/04/2011 23:55

Also - almost 2 year olds are pretty agile - are you worrying too much about her on the play equipment? And 5 year olds bash themselves up a fair bit.

You talk about your career as being hard to leave behind. Might you be happier stepping back more fully into work and getting f/t childcare? In some ways you juggle less, then. As long as you are happy with the childcare.

bistokids · 17/04/2011 00:00

More responses to questions.

I would LOVE to go out first thing in the morning. I love walking. It doesn't work with night shifts, though.

DH is on nights now. He'll get back at 9.30am and he'll stay downstairs while I go upstairs and get showered/dressed. He will then go to bed. You do all the ealry mornings when your DH works nights.

We moved into a house that needs total renovation. The electrics are dodgy. DD2 is at that stage where it all goes quiet and you find her messing with stuff (like plugs). It's terrifying. I've tried leaving her downstairs while I go uptairs and she 'messes'. I've tried bringing her upstairs and she clings to my leg and cries if I try to get into the shower.

She was planned. DD1 had been hard work with all those 4/5am starts for 3 years. We'd got past that stage and I was ambivalent about having another - didn't want to do it again. Got pregnant immediately. Got on with it. Was dreading it all. She's a much happier and funnier child than DD1 - she'e delightful actually - we go to a mums and tots group that I don't enjoy (she likes it, I find the other mums hard work). I think she needs tumbletots really but it's not running locally on my day off. It runs 10 iles away and I couldn't time it with the school run.

You know what - I constantly feel I'm not doing a good job. Poor DD1 has to compromise all the time because we've got her little sister. Poor DD2 gets dragged on the school run, which limits what I can do with her. I just go through the motions. I more or less hate every day.

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michelle2011 · 17/04/2011 00:01

bistokids i have to say from reading your last post its all about what you cant do! as much as you want to enjoy certain things we all know young kids wont allow us. i now cant even talk my little one in the buggy around the shops sometimes because he gets soo bored. i accept this. you need to accept what you cannot do AT THIS POINT IN TIME. it wont be like this forever. i sense real pessimism and almost resentment against your children (dont be offended just what im reading). please stop focussing on what you dont have. and stop thinking about what the inlaws will think, their reaction etc, they could be good for 2 hour or so by the sounds of it nothing more. DONT WAST YOUR ENERGY THINKING NEGATIVELY OR YOU WILL NEVER BE HAPPY. enjoy your children as much as you can by getting as much rest in the evenings so you are fresh for the follwoing day.

Have you joined any groups, try meet other mums with same age children so they can play together or go to friends for tea etc, there are so many mums out there going through similar thing.

i am shattered everyday with two small ones, some days i have woken up in tears after a bad nights sleep because of feeding and wonder how im going to keep my eldest entertained. take each day at a time.

bistokids · 17/04/2011 00:03

My cleaner - would love her to be a spare granny - she does 3 jobs - I've already asked her to do a fifth hour and she can't - she has to run to Sainsbury's to stack the shelves. I'm sure she'd be better off here reading the Gruffalo!

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michelle2011 · 17/04/2011 00:03

mamatomany my sentiments exactly im trying to enjoy as much as i can whilst i can before they arent interested in me anymore and they want to play with their friends!!!

PatriciaHolm · 17/04/2011 00:04

'I felt utterly defeated"

You know, that sounds like a terribly dramatic attitude, honestly, to what sounds like a minor issue on a lovely day out. You seem to be making very heavy weather of everything, blaming your kids and your ILs for not being able to live life as you want/as you used to.

Having children does change your life, but you don't have to be a slave to it. You talk of being constrained by the buggy/tantrum/changing - well,you can change a nappy anywhere; I've done it on several south bank benches myself. The buggy/tantrum thing - ignore her. Really. Read the plaque whilst she's having a moment; she won't come to any harm. The fact you move on, you placate her, means she'll keep doing it as it works.

Don't do Easter - just say no, you're going out, or something, it's not important.

If you're finding everything too much, talk to your GP - your life isn't and shouldn't be so hard.

bistokids · 17/04/2011 00:06

Oh and I treid (after lots of soul searching) to get an extra day of childcare. I'm on a waiting list. I am trying. Feel crappy about it because it would be four days of childcare. DD1 only ever did 3 days. On balance though, it would be a big relief.

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Maryz · 17/04/2011 00:06

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michelle2011 · 17/04/2011 00:10

im learning more from your responses bistokids, i am reading that your struggling actually handling your kids (because of the age difference) and you cant get into a routine that you are happy with. what i mean is keeping them both entertained/ disciplining them/ instructing them etc. (could be wrong) are you a member of any sure start centres? they have advisors available why dont you seek some advice one to one

i am sure you are doing a great job you just dont know but one thing i will say its important to not make your children feel you dont want to be with them or that you would rather be doing something else (hard i know because i know its a common feeling when exhausted, hide that emotion if present)

Blu · 17/04/2011 00:10

Yes, you sound depressed.

Your dd1 is not 'compromised', and dd2 isn't 'dragged' on the school run, that's what kids DO in families with more than one!

bistokids · 17/04/2011 00:11

I shouldn't have had them. I want to do a good job to make up for what I didn't have. Standards probably too high. They're happy kids. I ought to be able to cope, you all seem to. Don;t you ever think it's hard? Changing dirty nappies on park benches? I had a struggle with DD2 in a playbarn a few weeks ago. Trying to change dirty nappy, she wouldn't lie still. I gave her a shoe to occupy her hands, she started hitting me with it. I'm trying to clear up this nappy.

I do find that hard. Not pleasant. I could take it in my stride if there were things to balance it out. When nothing nice happens, being hit with a shoe cleaning up shit might well seem worse than it really is.

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wubblybubbly · 17/04/2011 00:15

OP I totally get the 'not doing a good job' thing. If you're feeling down on yourself it's very easy to beat yourself up over every little thing that doesn't quite go as planned.

I went through this with PND after DS and it was a really difficult time. Tbh, I often dreamt of just walking away and never coming back, never did it of course, just more reason to feel guilty for even thinking it.

It would be a good idea to talk to your GP.

michelle2011 · 17/04/2011 00:18

sorry but i have a scratch on my nose from were my son hit out at me, my other son pinches me when he feeds. mine are young and dont totally understand. shit happens. theyre kids. if you arent going to change the nappy then who is???

perhaps you are depressed im not sure but saying EVERYONE copes???? - ERM have a look at every question on this site, its posted because someone out there ISNT coping with all these zillions of issues we all have now we are mothers.

if your kids are happy can you not find any happiness (a nice event) in seeing them smile? if the answer to that question is no then go see your GP for help

Maryz · 17/04/2011 00:18

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bistokids · 17/04/2011 00:18

Michelle, they both talk at the same time. I know, I know, kids do that.

Because I'm prone to anxiety, I can;t cope with them both demanding at the same time. Or DD1 winding DD2 up. Or the background noise of 'Gigglebiz' or some other god-awful drone from the telly.

DD1 getting better at this but will still ask for something when I'm simultaneously cooking and entertainign DD2 - she'll come in and complain about what's for tea (I make everything from scratch - she just prefers plain pasta with cheese sauce and turns her nose up and lots of things).

I know. All mums put up with this. It makes me shake, which I sppose means it makes me anxious. I told my MIL they make me feel 'shaky' and 'stressed' and 'I can't cope' and she said 'well, you had them...' There's 'unsupportive' and there's plain 'dismissive'.

I wonder how many people think retrospectively when somebody has a breakdown and say 'he never said anything'?

I should go to the gp

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bistokids · 17/04/2011 00:21

thanks for the supportive messages anyway.

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michelle2011 · 17/04/2011 00:22

go and seek professional help, if you know your inlaws are unhelpful (i have another name for them) then do not share anything with them if it just gives them an opportunity to be nasty.

go to your gp tomorrow, talk to husband aswell you have to talk this through there are many people out there who can help you get over this hurdle. thats all it is - a hurdle

take a chance and reach out

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