Are your children’s vaccines up to date?

Set a reminder

Please or to access all these features

Parenting

For free parenting resources please check out the Early Years Alliance's Family Corner.

Another unconditional parenting question!

134 replies

Simic · 01/12/2010 10:16

This one is addressed to Tillymama and all the other people out there interested in unconditional parenting! What do you do with the getting ready when child just wants to stay at home and play but you have GOT to be off by a particular time? Like getting to preschool in the morning, every morning, when I've got to be at work by 9.
I know that Alfie Kohn sees it as really important to try to reduce the amount of time pressure. I see it like this too - but it's just not really feasible with my work start.
Secondly Alfie Kohn suggests discussing the problem with the child to find a solution together. The problem that I've encountered with that is the phenomenon "Yes, I'll do that tomorrow morning and every morning" only means "I love you, Mum and Dad, and I want to please you". A five year old can't actually follow the logic of "it's my solution to a problem and I want to make it work - even in the morning when I really just want to play".
Any ideas???

OP posts:
Are your children’s vaccines up to date?
BelligerentGhoul · 04/12/2010 14:05

Offering choices is a v well-established and respected way of dealing with difficult pupils in the classroom (privately, rather than publicly) and also a v effective parenting device. Again, to do with common sense - and nobody needs to buy a book and become an evangelist of a 'system' to use it!

Okay - it's time to go to nursery - blue shoes or red shoes? Okay, you need to put your glitter fest away now - shall we put it here or here? Okay - we have to leave the house now - do you want to carry the door keys or the changing bag?

It works because it assumes compliance without being bossy about it - just brisk! :)

juuule · 04/12/2010 15:05

BelligerentGhoul, Although it can work lots of times, offering a choice of that type doesn't always work. Q: 'Blue shoes or red shoes?' Response: 'I don't want to wear my shoes'.

HarkTheHeraldEverything · 04/12/2010 18:40

This reply has been deleted

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

Interested in this thread?

Then you might like threads about these subjects:

BelligerentGhoul · 04/12/2010 19:42

I must have a very persuasive tone Wink

The other one is 'Shoes please. Thank you!' coupled with a chirpy smile a la Grin.

The 'Thank you' again assumes instant obeying of orders!

Horton · 04/12/2010 21:08

Hark, I think my response to your DH in that situation would be 'er, no you aren't,! At least not unless you take it up with you to change YOUR SON'!

Choices of red or blue shoes etc works about 99% of times in our house, which is good enough for me. I have a fairly compliant child, though. She's always been quite biddable.

HopeForTheJingleBells · 05/12/2010 11:30

This reply has been withdrawn

This has been withdrawn by MNHQ on request of its author.

otchayaniye · 07/12/2010 13:20

Bit of an old thread, but I was thinking about this.

One of the most frustrating unintended consequences of not following a reward/punishment model of child raising is the ridicule it engenders. Ridicule that I don?t dish out to parents who fall into the behaviourist model of childrearing. I don?t mock people who have used Supernanny style tactics ? even though I have my reasons for believing that approach is ineffective and short-termist.

  1. You are seen as a hippy not living in the real world
  2. You can only possibly have one obedient girl child
  3. You probably will homeschool
  4. You cannot establish effective boundaries
  5. You negotiate for hours about every single choice
  6. That your child cannot form relationships with authority figures in a different mode
  7. That you can never take charge and put a child to bed/brush teeth/leave the house
  8. Your child will become a self-centred, spoilt brat (yes, the language people use is quite vivid, it obviously upsets some people)

I suspect confirmation bias plays its part in how people view this. They know, or suspect, a parent of following this approach (it is not a theory any more than the behaviourist model is a ?theory?) and see the child behave badly, baulk at doing something, or seek ?lengthy? explanation.

But all children do this to some extent, some of the time. You would have to monitor an awful lot of a given child?s behaviour in controlled settings to really know if is ineffective parenting, a lack of boundaries, or a child simply being challenging (as they all are at times).

But if you have followed one path, the temptation to look at someone doing something quite differently, see so-called ?undesirable? behaviour in the child, and put it down to that. It validates your own (no-doubt) excellent parenting. This is rife in the realm of parenting, where there is no proven right way to do things.

In real life I think some parents do explain, respect, take into consideration, their children?s feelings instinctively. They may not sweat the small stuff. They may not use time outs and reward charts and shout ?BECAUSE I?M IN CHARGE?. They may understand that their child is more emotionally intelligent and sensitive than some give them credit for.

But that?s not to say the idea of constant praise, rewards and punishments isn?t deeply ingrained in our culture.

I will defend Kohn to an extent. He comes under a lot of flak ? some of which I do agree with -- and is viewed as a bit of a media tart. But he has an important point to make; behaviourism has more or less been discredited by modern psychology but it still forms the basis of how we raise children, treat employees and educate our children. That lag is hard to understand.

Othersideofthechannel · 08/12/2010 06:59

FattyArbuckle, in case you are still reading this thread, I have sent you a PM.

smaych · 08/12/2010 11:18

Totally agree with what you say here otchayaniye.

It's a little shocking that someone can post a question specifically for people who parent a certain way, and be bombarded with rudeness and judgement from people who parent in different ways. It's such unpleasant and unkind behaviour.

New posts on this thread. Refresh page