things we are not allowed to say on mumsnet.

[stitch]

bottle feeding is second best.

living together as being in the least way undesirable.

marriage shows more commitment.

children need more than one parent

any opiinion resulting from religious faith. bigoted or not.

the opinion that children should have some sort of clothes on all the time. or that they should be made qware of private parts.

in fact any opinion that is not politically correct.

feel free to add any topics you feel i many have missed

oh, and hurling abuse at people is ok as long as you do not use swear words, and it is directed as someone who has a viewpoint different from yours.

[handlemecarefully]

Amen to that Nightynight

[mogwai]

I've noticed we aren't allowed to speak ill of Jordan. Her friend MABS comes on line and starts defending her, then everyone changes their tune and starts saying how much they admire her.

I quite like her, actually, but I think others should be able to hold opposite views without feeling scared to say them. Also think it's hilarious when people start retracting what they previously said

[Nightynight]

mogwai
I think its OK to criticise Jordan or anyone else on genuine grounds. But its easy to sound off about a public figure without really knowing a lot about them, because they fill a stereotype in our heads. Ive certainly done it myself, and then Id have felt awful if someone suddenly admitted to being a friend of that person.


btw, hmc, I agree with what you put yesterday - obviously!

[aloha]

Nighty night, so everyone who disagrees with you only does so because it is 'fashionable' or (and I hate this stupid phrase) 'politically correct' and only you are capable of original thought, eh?
Re the original thread we are talking about, lots of posters politely asked Stitch to 'justify her views' and were ignored.

[katierocket]

But I just don't understand how you can start a thread and then complain when people argue you with you because they don't agree. You can say whatever the hell you want but so can everyone else.
If there happens to be a majority view on a particular issue so what. I always remember the mumsnetter who agrees with smacking (is it bloss) and is always in the minority when it comes to threads on smacking but she doesn't get all stroppy and through her rattle out of the pram she argues intelligently and passionately and really gets you to see her POV, even if you don't ultimately agree with it.

[katierocket]

and that should be "throw" rattle out of pram. obviously.

[Nightynight]

no aloha, it is just that I dont see a lot of logical justification of fashionable views.

Im sometimes in the majority, and sometimes in the minority.

[Nightynight]

katie, the point I am making is that people seem to gain strenght from numbers, so they dont feel they have to justify things, and they can get abusive, which they then justify by saying that they found the original post "smug" or "bigotted" or whatever.

[flea]

nighty-night - how patronising (and I think slightly delusional personally), only you are properly educated and the rest are following fashion!

[Nightynight]

flea
I said "probably" and I draw that conclusion for the reasons I put in my last post.

You see, here it is, the moment I look like being in a minority, Im "patronising"

If people give intelligent reasons for why they think what they do then I dont accuse them of merely following fashionable views!

[Nightynight]

and "delusional"

cant you post without insulting me?

[QueenOfQuotes]

"I have concluded that many people have closed minds, and dont want to see beyond the politically correct."

??????? I certainly don't have a 'closed mind' and yet I think that stitch has effectively 'come crying to mummy' when something she said upset some people - if you upset people you'll get the sort of response that she got!

I think possibly the 'crunch' for me was to start 'this' thread.......what exactly was the point of it??? There's been threads like it before and They ALWAYS Get the same responses!!!

[QueenOfQuotes]

oh forgot to say that I did everything the "right" way and "believe" in doing things in the traditional order. But she still annoyed me.

[Nightynight]

how long since you last logged on locket??

Im going to start a give up mumsnet thread, to go with the ciggies and weight loss one! only possible with lots of online support of course!

[katierocket]

well I'm sorry nightnight but I totally disagree. Stitch is talking about a particular thread and everyone was giving very reasonable, articulate arguments against her POV; it was the exact opposite of what you describe. Like i say, I've seen many threads on mumsnet (like the smacking one) where there have been people in the minority who have not been bothered in the slightest by the fact that they were in the minority but just got on with intelligently arguing their point.

[Nightynight]

qoq, I think you are good at justifying your beliefs actually. Hope nobody finds that patronising or delusional, its just my opinion.

If you read my post youll see that I wasnt talking about this particular thread, I was generalising about controversial threads.

[QueenOfQuotes]

actually good point Katie - most of the people on that thread "Don't" 'fulfill' the criteria for doing things the 'normal' way.........so how do they have 'closed minds'????

[Nightynight]

katie, I bet youll find they were more hurt than they let on in their posts. Its never nice to be the target of the majority, and people come out with personal insults at the drop of a hat.

[flea]

Nightynight I apologise - deliusional was insulting. what you said really grated on me cos I believe it was used as an argument so that you dont have to justify your opinions.
When I used "Patronising" I truly meant that what you wrote suggested that you feel superior to people and so could not be bother argung with them as their arguments hold no water as they are "just fashionable". Is that not what you meant?

[Nightynight]

qoq----for the last time I wasnt talking about that thread in particular.

[QueenOfQuotes]

lockets - who's Gwen

[Nightynight]

qoq sorry, forgot to add . didnt mean to sound aggressive

[QueenOfQuotes]

ermmm nightynight - think you might find out posts crossed - before you start getting arsey with me!!