things we are not allowed to say on mumsnet.

[stitch]

bottle feeding is second best.

living together as being in the least way undesirable.

marriage shows more commitment.

children need more than one parent

any opiinion resulting from religious faith. bigoted or not.

the opinion that children should have some sort of clothes on all the time. or that they should be made qware of private parts.

in fact any opinion that is not politically correct.

feel free to add any topics you feel i many have missed

oh, and hurling abuse at people is ok as long as you do not use swear words, and it is directed as someone who has a viewpoint different from yours.

[mogwai]

btw we are not allowed to deride witches.
One has logged onto a pregnancy thread today and complained we were using the term. Has a cauldron, so I suppose she's every right to get sniffy

[mogwai]

WWW you are JUST HILARIOUS!!!!!!!!

Sandy Richardson, not Mortimer, how could I have been so stupid?

The plot thickens. What's all this about "he could occasionally get up and walk about"????? Do you reckon he was putting it on to claim DLA? OR was it a case of Crossroads' notoriously bad continuiity? Did he sit down very suddenly when the director started waving his arms???

I can lead a full life now. The electricity meter can't touch me any more.

And btw, Lemonice, you can definitely infiltrate my website for reasoned argument. You wanna help me read the essays?

(exits as credits roll from top to bottom and left to right alternately)

[paolosgirl]

And to the person who did most of the swearing and insulting - why? Why not just have a reasoned arguement?

[paolosgirl]

Stitch - I admire you for having to guts to stand by your convictions and to stick around and face your accusers, as it were. If it had been me, I'd have run away crying, the wimp that I am!
To echo some of the earlier posts - everyone is entitled to their opinions, whether you agree with them or not - but if you don't agree with them, then there is absolutely no need to be abusive or offensive about it.

[stitch]

thank you for your vote of confidence lemonice. i am glad life is good for you now.

i dont know if i necessarily admire those things in my original post, but that was how i was brought up to be believe life should be lived.

i have on the whole, enjoyed peoples posts, and cant believe this thread has gone on so much. im usually a thread killer.

[WideWebWitch]

In 1972 a terrible car crash left him confined to a wheelchair, although by the mid-1970s he could from time to time walk with the aid of crutches

[lemonice]

Hi Stitch

Quite often a thread turns around and moves on...

I did do the things you admire..only putting them in here to say that things are not always as clearcut as they seem in people's choice or lack of

(well some of them had sex too many times before getting married but..)

university

met future dh at 19

lived together for twelve months

married at 22 for 20 years (in a monogamous relationship on both sides for 23)
had children at 28 29 and 31

unfortunately things unravelled at 42

now divorced and living with dp for 6 years

he has no children

my dd has a baby at 19

But I don't bemoan the situation, we try to be happy and make the most of life and dd is in a steady relationship with her bf and working as best she can towards her aims as are the other two children.

And as a grandma I am now keeping my self busy with mn debates amongst other things hopefuully I would be able to infiltrate the Mogwai website

And I look forward to your next thread Stitch

[stitch]

hi just got back. some very interesting points. am enjoying reading this now.

[stitch]

hi just got back. some very interesting points. am enjoying reading this now.

[mogwai]

laugh all you like...but why WAS he in the wheelchair????????

[Caligula]

LOL at Sandy Mortimer!

[mogwai]

Caligula

Well that's the point I suppose. You can plan all you want, but you don't have ultimate control. Having had the "well planned" life, I live in fear that something could happen to take it all away. Life is so random and situations change.

I guess you just wake up everyday and remind yourself of how lucky you've been and never take anything for granted. And I say that as the child of a single mother who never had enough money for the electricity meter - it always seemed to flick off during Crossroads - I never did find out why Sandy Mortimer was in a wheelchair.

Shit - I'm showing my age!

[mogwai]

I like the idea of the 500 word essay!

But it would be rather autocratic of me to make the decisions myself. I'd need at least mamadadawahwah to pore over the responses as well...

[oliveoil]

what like "be off with you you old decrepid" that sort of hounding?

[EnidHobblingLikeAnOldWoman]

we are selective here though arent we? If people dont agree with us we hound them until they give up and go and join Babyworld

[Caligula]

Interesting post Mogwai and it made me think of a friend of mine who is a bit older than me. She'd done all the correct life plan thing as Stitch suggested, and the thing which she wasn't planning on, was her husband walking out on her and simply disappearing, leaving her with no money, no job, utterly shell-shocked by the betrayal of the love of her life and startled by the attitude of everyone around her, which was just that "Well, he's moved on. So must you".

She didn't choose to be single mother, the choice was unilaterally made for her. Attitudes which condemn her for having struggled to bring up her children alone, without any help or any support from anyone, are still so hurtful to her even now, even though all her children are now adults.

[lemonice]

but mogwai you can learn to debate just like you can learn to swim and the more you do the better you get and the more you gain confidence and enjoy it it is olympics for the brain and helps prevent senility

[mamadadawahwah]

Mogwai, being open minded and providing a "reasoned" argument are not mutually exclusive. What you would need to do is "test" your potential web site members first and have them submit a reasoned request of 500 words as to why they want to join.

[mogwai]

but batters, some people have such a CLOSED mind, you can never change them, they can't take part in reasoned argument, just like I can't swim.

I've no right to join the olympic swimming team, I've tried to swim and I'm crap at it, I dont have the necessary skill!

If people don't have open mindedness, they don't have the required skill to take part in reasoned debate so would be banned from my reasoned debate website

[mamadadawahwah]

sorry, earth shattering in terms of news/views.

[mamadadawahwah]

Well in that case people, go on and say what you want. Try and keep it clean, no need for gratuitous expletives. And dont take it personally ok? Sheesh, you gotta choose your battles. There just isnt enough time in the day to get hot and bothered over what someone in MN says. To date i have not read anything earth shattering in the forum and probably never will so what does it really matter.

[lemonice]

no one has been banned in this context the thread title is ironic..I think...

[mamadadawahwah]

Who has been banned by the way???? Has mumsnet actually kicked certain people out???

[NomDePlume]

batters