MN Little Italy 18

[DemonBradleySlaysPippi]

Where are you????

well but here's the thing. in the uk they never look at your bits so who knows how many women walk around dilated by a couple of cms for weeks or months! and i had regular and fairly strong braxton hicks from about 6 months onwards...

i just can't get my head around the difference in advice on, say, recurrent mcs. i sadly have friends who've had recurrent mcs (both ended up with beautiful dcs), but the british ones were told that bedrest is useless to prevent mcs, while the italian one was practically immobilised for 3 months....

i have never heard of anticontraction drugs here unless for an actual threatened early labour (hospital etc); like i have never heard of anyone ever being prescribed those legendary pills to dry up your milk... my mum says it's because here they treat you "come una bestia"

I had very strong BH with ds from 24 weeks too, but since I wasn't dilated, I wasn't put at bed rest

I don't know, while I find the Italian system too over protective , I also find the english one too superficial (and the uk had really dreadful statistics in the early 2000, not sure if it's still the case)

LOL at "they treat you "come una bestia" ". My mother would so agree with yours. !!!

Mind you I was always a bit miffed at the way nobody checks you for nine months.

I think they are a lot more spartani, without a doubt. It has its pros but also its cons. And talking about this I am going to book an apt with gp as I am sure something is not as it should be since dd2's birth. Yes I should do more pelvic floor but suspect there's something else. Do you think I should?

i am sure the truth lies somewhere in the middle Franca, but too often i find italian women have this "delicate flower" attitude that they need to be protected from everything and that drives me insane. it's a further extension of this whole bamboline attitude. not you of course, a) you're you (YAYYY), and b) you're milanese and i think milanese women have more balls than us terrone!

plus there's this whole other obsession with putting on weight during pregnancy, friends of mine were put on diets during pg and threatened with c-section if they put on more than x kgs (usually less than 10)...

in general doctors in italy are very good but i think medicine is run much more as a for profit business than here, i get to see a lot of dermatologists and dermatologists in italy are increasingly pimped up beauticians doing all sorts of cosmetic surgery. here dermatologists only deal with serious diseases. there's a much more trigger happy attitude to drugs and exams which i am sure creates a lot of money.

maternity care in the uk is often very appalling i agree (i literally bear the scars of poor postnatal care...) but i don't think the stats are so markedly different than in italy. you often hear horror stories in italy too, mostly involving hatchet job c-sections in private cliniche...

pippi do, I knew staright away s.thing felt wrong and was sent to a special clinic. wasn't impressed by the consultant (very patronising woman, after having to explain everything to her embarassed male assistant who was clearly not comfortable in having to stay in to my examination by the not very pleasant consultant, who in the end confirmed what I thought and said that what did I expect with 2 children?), but then referred to a specialised nurse who explained and tought me how to do pelvic floor exec better, so worth it

MM, I agree, two extremes, I put on over 20kg with DS and god know what they would have done to me as I wasn't even eating unhealthly. friend was monitored by the time she got to 8 kg even if she had no other probs!

MM have to agree with you re putting weight in pg. Apparently you should not put more than 9 kg (my mum likes to bang on about it - needless to say I put on more far more than that) and yes most friends I know have been put on a diet. BF's wife at 6 months was a size 8 with only the top buttons of a skinny jeans undone (I looked like this at 3 months - actually I lookes like this now FGS, which might not be good I agree!). She was devastated and told us that was on the scale every morning and wouldn;t eat grapes as full of sugar. I swear to you she does not have an eating disorder and it is an average girl.

Not sure if there is a north/south difference (I consider myself in the centre) but that is what I have seen from all my pg friends. Not one had put on weight, except for baby weight. Weirdly enough they all seemed skinnier than before. If I ever get pg again I might go there for the first 3 months as that's when I cannot stop stuffing my face.

Camo are you back to your regular weight? Be honest. And do you feel the same as before?
Honestly I think I probably have a couple of kilos more only but I am all soft and very little abdominal muscles. That is what bugs me the most but no time will to excercise.

yes, my mum was constantly saying "8 months, 8kg"

Yes "1kg per month" .

Pippi, ffs, go to see your gp. pretty much anything can be fixed. i was in a bit of a state after dd1's birth, but am fine now- can elaborate offline if you wish...

(in fact when i went for coil fitting the nurse asked me if i'd had two sections, now, if that's not a compliment after two vaginal births then i don't know what it is!)

that was TMI wasn't it

yes, back to pre-pg, though there's a bit of sagginess on my once toned flat stomac and "double bum". alla faccia to the weight control police, I was back to pre-pg after about 7 months with DS, and then carried on loosing a dress size, despite the over 20 kg gained. with DD I put on about 15, and only lost basically her birth weight at delivery, and though was getting a bit depressed at the slow progress, I was back again by 7-8 months

MM yes please do offline. I will elaborate too. Thanks a lot.

at 2 C-section!

MM, could you elaborate offline for me too please, as though better than I was, still not right, well, can explain in case

LOl at the state of us!

yes, if there'll ever be a no 3, it will be a very un-MN elective cs!

Oh let's not talk about pg weight, I still have an extra 8kgs from pre DS, more from pre DD. I agree that no one else seems to put it on here though.
The first time I saw the gynae for DS she gave me a print out with a diet, doesn't mean I followed it.

Again I think a middle way would be the best approach as I wouldn;t have minded a bit more advice, and maybe a diet plan. Not that I'd have followed it mind, I was too ravenous, but it would have been a good guideline. No?

It was very "x grammes of pasta, x grammes of meat" type of thing, really really dull. I don't eat like that at all, not least I don't eat meat for a start!

Oh yes I know those ones sputnik. My granddad and granma had them. 100g of pasta, 2 slices of prosciutto magro etc.
I was eating bucketsfull of chilli con carne!

I have to confess my weakness were chips BUT those are my constant weakness so I didn;t eat any more that when non-pg... I kept on telling myself that I needed all the extra muscle to carry the baby

I have since learned, too late unfortunately, that at least some of my massive carb cravings in pg were caused by and in turn fueling huge levels of candida, which I had by the bucketload (sorry if tmi, but even the gynae commented "guarda quanta!").
I know this as I did an anti candida diet which made me realise how much it affected me since being pg with DS.

Really? (ROFL at guarda quanta!) I always crave carbs...

Not my proudest moment!