MN Little Italy 11

[Rosa]

San Remo Fans Unite......
Welcome , Ciao ,

oh, yes, and Brandon said that other people's children are little shits, she really did.

but beauty is not a sin surely. it exists and it should not be denied.

now that conv is turning fun I must leave you.

javier have you readother graphic novels like Maus or Palestine? can lend if you like.

I think for many people on here mumsnet is a lifeline or just really important in their life, therefore the need to be liked or having a little clique. It is fair enough, I think, as motherhood can be a pretty lonely experience and the feeling of "belonging" can help.

Gosh self confidence, self esteem, I don't think I've ever had any.

of bs for going skiing, it was so beautiful I didn't want to leave! And there were lots of English people.

when i talked of showing a true self, i didn't refer to revealing lots of private things. I think there is a lot of this for example: "Oh, i really love my neighbour, but...." and it is obvious that the poster actually hates the neighbour. Basically inability to be honest in an anonymous forum which translates into self-deception. Am i making sense?

It's probably cliquey bias, but I do think that people on this thread project a normal 'real' image. Too relaxed to care much about what the rest of MN think, IYSWIM. Jolly good!!

LOL javier - are you telling tales on Pippi!!!

No, good looks are not a sin, and should be acknowledged; but in general I think we praise beauty in others which comes from a complex of things: what I mean is, for example, one of my best friends is, IMO, very beautiful: quirky, original, etc. I tell her that she looks great - but so much of that is also bound up in how much I care for her as a friend. She is, I think, objectively good-looking, but her true beauty is about all the things she is to me. I think that this is the message of beauty we should convey to our children. To value beauty alone is a bit dangerous - in that its converse is to be critical of someone who is not beautiful - who perhaps is "different" or scarred or whatever.

Notte, Pippi!

Penthe ! (don't worry about the cards/magazine)

Btw the other day I noticed they re issued the dvds of all moretti's movies: I bought Io sono un autarchico

Notte pips!

Yes I agree penthe!

dd was crying from a bad dream and I didn't hear [bad mum emoticon] luckily dh went to the reskue. must go and cuddle her though.

ciao.

we are cliquey too, no? [joke]

pips... I like it

I understand what you mean, javier.

That's a good point, franca - about fitting in.

BTW - I didn't mean that people who are scarred, etc., can't be beautiful - on the contrary. I rather meant that if you isolate 'beauty' as something to be valued on its own, there is a tendency for it to become something rather conventional and limited.

We have Maus, who wrote Palestine?

Never skied in my life, cannot imagine what it is like. An old flame compared it to lovemaking!!! He wasnt' the sharpest tool in the box.

I also agrre with you franca.

Are you sure about the magazines? I've totally collected them - the latest one is about food and art or something... [food porn]... I'm more than happy to send them - honestly!

Holy shit javier - your old flame must have been, erm, energetic in bed!

Unless he meant he liked to shag in the snow??

Have read Maus - v. good.

Skiing hurts the thighs. I can only imagine what kinds of positions your old flame favoured!

Sorry - missed you post before, Pippi - hope your DD is ok. Poor wee thing having a bad dream.

Javier lol lol lol at your ex. Gosh you have quite a good collection of exes

I've always loved skiing, BUT only in favorable climatic conditions

Oh penthe, you are lovely . OK then, send them over , but only if it is not a duty or a nuisance etc. What do you need from italy, a part from pan di stelle?

he was pretty good at it, though his lovemaking was a bit conventional.
i think he wanted to say that skiing gave him as much pleausure as shagging.
we are cliquey but we welcome new ones, penthe is relatively new and there is the lady of Urbino. And we bounce ideas off each other.
Have to go, thank you for making me think tonight.

palestine joe sacco and edward said

you probably think i am a slag now. i have nto had that many boyfriends,honest.

I'm going to bed now, it's late here!
Good night my dears.

hope dd is back in bed...

OK, cool - will try to send tomorrow.

I'm not much of a skier, TBH... My abiding memory is of skiing at school (think crappy Scottish Cairngorms - wet, cold, dull, crap snow - definitely unfavourable climatic conditionc - or climactic conditions, if you're javier's ex! )... We went on a school trip and had to get up really early: for breakfast I had All-Bran and banana. But on the coach trip up, I got car-sick... I needed to throw up, but didn't have anything to throw up into, and I was only the youngest and was too scared to bother the big girls who were all so cool and grown-up, etc... So I puked down the sleeve of my jacket! . And then I had to hold in all this horrid pukey liquid the whole way there. I was a little upset, to say the least. Of course, the evil harridan of a PE teacher who led the trip made me wash out my jacket and still go out skiing, although my jacket was by now freezing wet. I just wanted to stay on the bus and read.

Can you tell I'm still scarred by this experience????