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Welcome , Ciao ,

If I had to co-sleep with my dds I'd go insane. I love sleeping with dd1 when dh ios not here because she is cuddly but most important she now can remain on her side pretty much.

ps: dd2 is trying to crawl. bless. she is quite impressed with herself. PSB emoticon

I don;t co-sleep because I'm a hermit and like my own space tbh. sometimes I like to sleep in the spare room to feel young and free again .

I haven't read any book about sleeping because mine always slept. baby has nap at 9.30/10 for an hour and a half and again around 2.30. recently she's trying to drop the aft one but not always. then is 7 to 7. however I'm sure like I said that she is awake earlier but she rests ignored content in her cot.

blimey she's learnt to shuffle... that's the end of my peace and the beginning of the stairgates...

We have a sidecar cot arrangement, so everyone gets their own space. Well most of the night anyway. When we finally set up DD with her own room she asked to sleep there, so no probs getting her out. In theory our move will coincide with moving DS out but I'm a bit apprehensive whether he'll be ok with it as he's younger than DD was. He still wakes at night occasionally and always early morning for a feed. I don't want to buy a 2nd cot though at this stage, even if the current one is a modified cheap Ikea one we were given.

LOL at friend who plays wth DC at 5 in the morning, asking for trouble! I do a fair impression of a zombie at any time before about 6:30. I find it comes fairly naturally

this comment is not here nor there but smtimes I hate MN. some people are so pious and pc fgs. nothing to do with this thread obviously.

sorry mini rant to stop me post somewhere else.

off to make lemon drizzle for the first time.

francaaaaa are you ok?? did she go skying or smthin?

and brange. what happened to all of you. we should be officially notified of any absence.

who is pious and pc, send me an email!!!! [gossipy emoticon]

at the same as your dd2, my ds started to have his 2nd nap later and later in the pm, like around 3ish, and this affected his settling at 7. then i read to cut his little nap in the morning by 15 mins and then he settled earlier for lunchtime nap. Unfortunately by 12 months i had to cut the nap completely, the first one, but at least by 11.30 or 12pm he was ready for 2 hours nap. It is a tragedy but they do less sleep by 12 months. Having said that they do occupy themselves more, we did use a playpen until he was 18 months for a bit during the day so that i could do something knowing he was not touching my books and making havoc. This is to say damon that if you want her to have a proper lunchtime nap, you may have to change early nap! [sleep guru emoticon]
Have decided dd is moving to big room tomorrow.

[saddo emoticon] was reading sleep books for babies when i was pregnant with no1 - if you have a tendencey to depression the kids must sleep, or gloomh thoughts begin to loom.

oh pippi was it those saddos women on the sailing thread? i did read a bit despite your warnings.

i did, against my better judgement, start another thread in education and got a semi-flaming again- but then some more normal people came on..

sleep... well we're accidental cosleepers with dd1, she goes off in her own bed but then shows up at around 2 am. i asked her why, and she said confidently that wehn she's "grande" she'll sleep in her bed all night, but given she's still "piccola", she's gonna keep coming to ours, thank you very much. and i coslept full time with dd2 (in a separate room to dh and dd1) for the first 4 months. it was really hard to stop. but prob the right thing on balance. each to her own though, the most important thing is to actually get some sleep, where and how, imo, doesn't really matter...

Javier- perhaps give it another couple of months and then move them? what does your eldest say? dd1 keeps asking to sleep with dd2, though we suspect that's because she wants to kill her in her sleep major jealousy issues here, still...

ok, off to continue with the logistical nightmare that is packing for 4, plus bottles, baby food, nappies, skiing gear... hope it'll all be worth it in the end!

oh bs am jealous! Have a lovely time. Sputnik you guys have had a nightmare with illness recently. Hope it improves.
I am so jealous of all of you who talk about 7-7 sleeps. I have now given up with ds and any hope of him sleeping early. He is still running around now and will be for an other hour potentially!! I have tried everything- sleepy routines, moving bedtime forward a bit at a time etc and NOTHING works. He still has a nap in the afternoon and cant do without it, if i try and get him to go through he collapses in a heap around 5 and then we're up til midnight!! So have decided to give in. He plays & reads, I watch telly/work/Mumsnet, DP watches Striscia. If ds was knackered the next day I would be more worried but he is full of beans! Ah well, am used to it now and most of the time doesnt bother me.
Pippi was it marslady's lemon drizzle cake? I have made that loads and it is FAB!!!

oh dear, bs have just read the private ed and value for money thread, feel exhausted now.
franca and brange have gone off skiing as well?

Hi everyone.

Have a lovely time, beforesunrise - maybe (fingers crossed) your MIL will surprise you (in a good way!).

Poor Sputnik - hope your LOs feel better soon.

Gio - how old is your DS?

Pippi - I also want to know who is pious! How did your cake go?

javier - I certainly find that DD works on a 2-2 1/2 hour cycle.

I want DD to learn, eventually, to sleep in her cot, so that naptimes are less of an issue for me - I'm really happy at the moment to have her nap in the sling, or in her buggy, but I'm getting stressed out about what will happen when I go back to work. I don't really want to change anything - and I think that to keep the 'bond' I'm happy to have her continue sleeping with us so that I can bf when I'm back at work - but I also don't want her to not nap because I'm not there... This is all months away, I know.... but...

Are franca and Brange daring to have a real life??!!

ds is 2 years 4 mths Pent.When do you go back to work?

Penthe, stop stressing. she WILL nap. whoever cares for her will find their way of getting her to nap... trust me, i have been there with dd1

Well, I'm due to return to work at the end of May, but because it's exam term, I won't have to go regularly to the office. Then it's the summer term/long vacation. So, the tough bit really only starts in September, when DD will be 15 months...

2.4 - an interesting age!! A friend of mine who moved away in the summer has a little boy (who was that age just before they left). He is gorgeous. I love toddling boys!

Bless you, beforesunrise. You're right! And probably she will be "better" for them than for me anyway!

Am just reading your private ed. thread in order to respond: god, people do get on their high horses, non??

not better, but different! seriously, dd1 was impossible to put down for a nap... now she is 3 and she asks to go to bed after lunch, and sleeps often for 2 hours...

fu** dd2 awake again... aaarrgghhhh gotta go!

My DD was a terrible napper, always fed to sleep, never more than 45 minutes etc. In fact a crap sleeper all round. I thought they'd never get her to sleep at nursery but somehow they did. Then at a certain point (can't remember when exactly) she started doing 3 hour stretches.

I reckon Franca is off drinking and smoking again

I know they get a bad press on here but I love toddlers, the learning to speak, the intense attatchment to random objects... I could go on!

ciao ciao!

read your thread, and it changed mid-way, and people posted some good links, etc., so I'm not going to post, as have nothing helpful to add. I went to boarding school, then Oxbridge. Am no way a "high earner" in the city sense. TBH, if my school taught me anything, it was independence (though this is not necessarily a good thing ) - but that's more because it was a boarding school, I think.

I think that the reason those threads have the propensity to get heated is because of the "class" issue. DH wants to send DD to a private school. For him it's about a certain kind of academic excellence. As an Italian in the UK, he has an anthropological interest in the class obsession here, but cannot really tap into that vein of madness which utterly dominates UK life. Even to talk about private ed. in the UK is to talk about class.

Hope DD2 gets back to sleep quickly.

I love toddlers too. I've looked after many in my babysitting years, and they were all fab.

good evening ladies!

BS - so ... have a great time! saw your ed thread... glad to see some people actually replied to your question! I thought it was a "good" question, I mean, if you ask "what do you think about" then, yes, you know you're going to get people from the two extremes, but why is it that if you just ask a "factual" question, you still get agressve opinions? never mind, guess some people are just confrontational

Penthe - I put DD in her crib for day naps when we were still co-sleeping, and it wasn't as bad as we thought, and eventually we put her in at night (though she still occasionally ends up in our bed when DP is convinced she wants feeding - I KNOW she doesn't as she just nibbles, but he can be stubborn and at 2.30am I can't be bothered arguing).

Javier - I'm in the same limbo, unless we put DDin the jungle spare room... but DS still wakes up screaming occasionally, and if DD wakes up, well... can I really be bothered walking across the landing down the corridor to her room ...

That's reassuring, thanks, Sunflower. I won't try, though, til after we move... Enough disruption...

hello, I warn you I am a bit tipsy [grin[. just back from a night out with good mate and dh is snoring away.

imo I wouldnlt worry about a sibling waking another because they have selective hearing. once they;ve tuned that sound out they'll never wake to the sibling's scream.

yes BS each to their own, as long as they sleep, feed, be happy. we all try to do our best and what suits our families. I'm off to read the ed thread although not sure it's wise in my drunken state.

yes in terms of educational excellence I'd like dds to go to the best schools but becasue of class system I'm a bit . don;t want them to be amidst all people who look, think, behave the same. although it might feel safer in a way I think it is highly poisonous in the long term.

javier, listen to this, a 26y.o. mum here thinks islington is scary and rough!!! What????

I'm rambling so I'm off to bed. dh will be all grumpy tomorrow bacause of my late night out with male friend so must be ready for that.

I'm worried about franca. not so much about brange as she occasionally takes time off. still would like to hear from them both.

I have not made cake. yes is the marslady one gio. will def make it tomorrow and let you know.

ciao.

just to say I've read a bit of BS edu thread and wanted to vomit (nothing to do with the alcohol) so I stopped. my god how on a high horse some people get when you talk about money - whther it translates into private schools, nannies, cleaner etc. imho is all pure envy. must go or I'll get really annoyed.

javier I'll name names on an email tomorrow. good gossip. it's someone we talked about in rl

btw no one on this thread.