Sorry for any offence caused

[mixedup]

I apologise to fellow mumsnetters if my post have offended anyone, That was not my intention

Can't anyone accept an apology graciously round here and then just leave it there.

I cannot believe how some narrow minded people who are seriously in need of a personality implant have reacted.

What happened to freedom of speech, we no longer live in the dark ages where we have to be submissive and walk behind men, if we want to flirt we can

For goodness sake wind your necks in and realise that though flirting or whatever is not for you some people enjoy it and it is a great part of normal everyday life, you can be classed as flirting with someone for smiling at them, even though you think you are just being polite.

Flirting is healthy and natural and almost everyone has done or does it as part of every day life, myself and dh included. (no we are not weird, we just find it funny).

I must say Enid I think you are totally wrong implicating that Simon started it, if you look at the afore mentioned thread it was actually started by a woman, therefore how can he be encouraging flirting.

As for why aren't there more men, probably because they don't like some of the attitudes that they have come across, it may look like witches round a cauldron to them, trying to blame men, women are just as sexually orientated these day. I get the distinct feeling off some people who post that Men are not really wanted on here, some men may have to be mum and dad to their children due to bereavement etc and therefore they should be welcomed,I am also in total agreement with concerned that some of the women on this thread seem to think that because they have been posting the longest that their opinion counts more, it does not, we are all the same, we are all mums and dads all trying to cope with the day to day raising of our children and dealing with problems that come our way.

I don't find the 'sight' of Simon Howard online flirting with a bunch of women funny and amusing? Wow, I must be narrow minded. Probably need to get a life too!

You said it. Why is you always seem to say you don't like the idea of Simon flirting, whereas the women flirting hasn't been mentioned as much.

Like i've said before, there are those who can, those who can't and those who wish they could.

Don't knock it if you haven't tried it.

Good Grief!

Woooh ladies...calm down. Just for the record, I didn't complain, and I apologise to Fairy if anything I may have said on a thread seemed harsh. I know I can be quite opinionated sometimes when riled! I also try to be nice too though, and also have my own problems that people have agreed/disagreed with. Anyway, this is all a bit over the top. I didn't read the thread once it all got into the vibrator talk, as I lost interest, but it didn't offend me at all. I just don't think that here is the place for flirting. It is really for discussions of all types, not just baby talk, but not sex between posters IMO.

I know that I may have come across as a prude on the joke thread, but I am certainly not. I know from experience that cyber flirting can make you dissatisfied with what you have...and that is as far as I am taking that thought!

Anyway, perhaps we can move on now?

I agree with you Chinchilla.

yawn....this is getting boring

I hope this doesn't put Simon off. I've always enjoyed his posts and find a sympathetic man's take on things is refreshing.
Thats all I dare write.

Hello, its the morning and I feel calmer, but still a bit sad about all of this......

I just wanted to say and try not to comment on here again, that I wasn't suggesting that anyone should 'get a life', rather that sometimes threads on here get a bit ugly and ill-tempered, but so is life sadly. I just want to say that the women I was talking about are a tiny percentage, and on the whole they don't even bother me. I guess its when people whinge endlessley, guess that includes me now!

I love Mumsnet, it has been able to reassure me, help me choose a microwave (!) and much much more.

Maybe to help the problems that originally developed from Mixedups first post, when a thread dramatically changes a new thread should be started, so people look at the title and think 'no I'll give it a miss', any ideas?

Droile

No-one gets rid of me that easily (my parents didn't so I don't see why anyone else should).

I have carried on posting on other threads where I feel I have something to contribute.

Ladies (and gents if there are any of them lurking)

Something that was actually brought up concerning some posts Stuartc made and people asked why he only seemed to comment on the threads to do with sex.

I have to admit a lot of what I read on other threads and I'm sure Stuart finds this the same I have no experience of and so I keep my mouth shut and hope for words of wisdom from others. In something like this or a relationship thread or one where I have either asked for help or have had first hand experience of things I will offer my views or experience if I think I can be of assistance.

As some people have said maybe this is not the place to flirt and whilst I may not agree I have undertaken not to do so from now on.

My e-mail address is on that shameless flirting thread (yes it really is my e-mail address and it wasn't till I posted it I realised what it could be read as, it was supposed to be a reminder of the old adverts about someone not being able to do it but they know a man that can) so if anyone wishes to discuss anything away from Mumsnet they can contact me there, and if things go well I will provide my normal e-mail address to people after chatting to them.

Simonhoward (and stuartC, does this apply to you, too? I haven't read all your postings) ,

I'm really sorry that you guys feel you haven't the experience to comment of so many of the mumsnet threads. OK you're let off the hook if you mean PMT, experiences of childbirth, PND, etc - though of course you might have lots of second hand experience of these things. But what about threads under the behaviour, sleep, parenting and products topics? don't you have any experience on, or opinions of, controlled crying? choosing a pushchair? introducing solids? etc etc? why are you so coy about posting on these threads? are they too boring for you? do you leave bulk of the childcare to your partners so you really have no hands-on experience? do you have no memories of your own childhood? surely not.

I know your names do crop up on these threads from time to time. Excuse me if I'm making sweeping generalisations - I don't read all the posts.

It's just that I find it really sad that you feel unable to post on these topics, yet have the time and inclination to post so much on mumsnet. You both know you get a response as well and seem happy to converse with us.

You imply that you feel shy about contributing on mum's issues, sorry but I don't accept that it is just a 'man' thing. These are dad's issues too.

Other men (I assume they were men) have posted here - tom used contribute regularly on all sorts of parenting issues (and flirt as well). If you want to see what I mean, do a search and read some of his postings.

Why Cant we just accept the fact that we are all different, and just let the small things go.

I can see this carrying on into other threads with people putting, hope I do not offend but........

Why can not we view a thread and come out if we do not like it.

I mean I could get upset by comments about people having affairs and what shall they do about it, it is a problem to them and they want advice, I wouldn't give advice because my DH had an affair and I do not have any advice, I do not get offended by this because I do not fully know their situation. I just don't comment and often do not read it.

This thread can run and run (hope it doesn't and things settle back down) because as someone else put this isn't the mumsnet that I joined, and I have not felt this bad since worked in a bitchy office as a teenager.

I agree that racist comment and such should be stopped, not excuse but not harmless fun.

I think some of the comments on this thread have been very sexist towards men, and that is not pleasing, I have visions of some sad people going into the search board looking up names and other things to comment on. Hope this all ends soon, or else I will not longer feel I can post on here anymore.

I think it will only end when WE stop adding another two-pennyworth to the pot !!

That's my last contribution on the subject BTW !

Please everyone - let's just LET IT LIE !!!!!!!

Scatterbrain, I hope that wasn't a dig at me, I only commented when I saw it about to take on another angle.

tigermoth, I love you.

Stop...flirting...Enid

I can see that this is already carrying on to other threads, sorry but this is getting too childish for me, think I too will disappear for a while and leave the small minded people in their own little worlds. Can only imagine they got so offended for reasons they only know.
Goodbye all.

So who's childish now? If you feel so strongly, you should lead by example, not go off in a huff. If something means that much to you, perhaps you would also say who you really are, instead of using a pseudonym. Sorry, but I get so fed up with these people who don't like what they read, and go off threatening to leave. Mumsnet is great, and the diversity of threads is brilliant. You will not find the like anywhere else, and leaving is surely cutting off your nose to spite your face. I'm not going to say, 'Oh, please don't leave', because that is pandering to you.

However, I would say that I admire the people on here who accept that the great thing about this site is that we can all have differing views without it mattering one bit. A person can disagree quite strongly on here with someone, but be supportive towards them on another thread, which I think is wonderful. For example, I don't think the flirting thread was particularly worthy of reading, but I really appreciate Breeze's concern for me on another thread about depression. I am adult enough to understand the difference.

This has all gone much too far. SH has already said that he is happy to continue flirting on his email address, so let's all just MOVE ON now can we?

Rant officially over...sorry if I have offended anyone, it was not meant that way

AHH, I was so determine that I was not going to post on here again, but this has got totally out of hand. I do not think that we will all ever agree on this. I personally do not want people to leave mumsnet, because I to have have/had PND and sometimes find that mumsnet can keep me sane and stop me going off into one.

I think this has gone too far and people have got involved on our behalf, I appreciate all the support and still feel that this wasn't a offensive matter, like mum2toby said it was just a bit of fun to break up the boring day or work and PND. I hope that we can all agree to disagree on this one and can have a truce, I however do not want to stop using mumsnet and get/give people advice just because of a fall-out on this thread.

I also would like to feel that if I needed advice people wouldn't give it because of the comments on this and the other thread.

Flirting is a way or life for me, I am a confident person. I am totally in love with my hubby and do not see it as a problem and most of my friends are the same as me. So in my world it is not a problem.

I do hope this is the end of the matter, I ust hope in the future, people could maybe post something on the thread because this got way out of hand.

Truce

Sh*T What a time to do a typo I mean a , sorry.

ks>no...this is the end so nurr

err...fancy a shag anyone?

sorry