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francagoestohollywood · 07/11/2007 20:50

Welcome everyone

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Brangelina · 10/11/2007 22:28

Michymama - our paths must have crossed. I used to hang about with a group of Irish friends and sometimes went to Pogue Mahone's (the worst toilets in Milan). I was an au pair too, stuck it out for about a year then got a "proper" job in an ad agency working in nero per una miseria. I used to do extra jobs to top up, like standista, translations, conferenze and even cubista (for a short period thankfully).

Remind me where Rainbow is, I'm sure I went there, in fact I'm pretty certain I was a regular but I have a total mental block right now, probably something to do with the 2 glasses of wine I just had. I used to go to Plastic quite a lot- until I got sick of having to wait for the loo because everyone was scoring coke in there - plus I went to Lizard quite frequently in that period as was going out with a cousin of the manager so never paid. Ditto Hollywood, I always got in free by telling the bouncers in English that I was a model (highly unlikely at 5'4" and with bad hair but hey, if someone's stupid why not exploit it).

OMG, it's such a long time ago, I feel so old. TBH I can't remember all the places I used to go to any more, it's all a bit of a haze. Now of course i don't go anywhere and have become a real couch potato with a saggy bum to prove it.

Brangelina · 10/11/2007 22:34

I'm glad all you others had a fun time at the meet up. Did you all speak in Italian or revert back to English like my mum does with her Italian friends (she gets to about the third sentence, then goes "anyway" and carries on in English. All her friends do the same, obv too long in the UK).

What's wrong with lentil weavers???!!! And what's wrong with a filthy house?

hotHELL · 10/11/2007 22:43

Not sure Pippi, worth a google? Maybe about her 'brave battle against cancer?' I really like her ex boyf, Olivier Martinez, I would find it very hard to choose between him and Tony Soprano....

Night life in Milan seems exciting... What's this about coke in the loo? [jealous]

Nothing at all wrong with lentils weavers, of course. [diplomatic]

hotHELL · 11/11/2007 15:37

How is everybody on this pretty grey day?
Have had a very lazy day with lots of sleeping and reading....

Rosa · 11/11/2007 17:31

SO glad you all had a nice time and yes franca happy for you to circulate dd pic no problem glad I had taken the lentil weaving bits out of the photo .
House dirty good can I join the club mine is in a permanent state of mess and hidden dirt !
San Martino ( local hero- decorated biscuits all over the place and kids runing into shops bashing pan lids singing and people give them sweets or money to get them to shut up ) here today so dd has new word martino mixed with smarties comes out sort of Martinimarty dead funny ( but I guess you have to hear it )

hotHELL · 11/11/2007 17:50

I don't remember doing anything for San Martino.

PippiCalzelunghe · 11/11/2007 19:12

sunday from hell: DH has lost his passport and we are flying out on sunday for his hernia op!! we have spent the day looking for it abs EVERYWHERE without luck and now DH has to go to a passport office tomorrow to try and have a new one done, although it takes up to seven days so might be all a waste of time. we are also trying to find someone that can sign the bloody thing before tomorrow 9.30!!

I am a stressed as one can be!!!

hotHELL · 11/11/2007 19:39

What about a gp to sign it? I think for an emergency they will do you a passport very quickly, don't worry. Luckily he doesn;t have to deal with the Consolato Italiano, that would be a nighmare.

PippiCalzelunghe · 11/11/2007 19:48

I hope so. It's just that the people over the phone would only tell it by the rule so it's really up to the person DH sees tomorrow. And he cannot even say he's got an hernia op anyway as he's got no apt booked officially or anyting.

I am exhausetd. we now need to go out and take pictures... god knows where and hopefully trying to get something to eat.

oh well never mind. another story to say.

hotHELL · 11/11/2007 19:53

As long as he is not a terrorist, he will get it. Can he pretend he has to go a funeral or something? Or somebody he is ill? Or a wedding?
I am very Italian, I would immediately tell a long lie....

ernest · 11/11/2007 20:00

Hi again, folowing discissions of this am, I have agreed to move to Milan in the summer. Am not happy, but don't feel like I have much choice.

WHat's childbirth/ maternity services/standards generally like in Italy. I'm 2 months pg, so need to decide if I give birth in familiar CH where I speak the lingo & know the system & have all 3 kids born in same country (apart from London-born ds1), or do I move when heavily pregnant disrupted ante natal care and give birth in strange country where I don't speak lingo?

Am erring towards having it here.

Will probably send the boys to Sir James Henderson school. Anyone know what year group ds3 would be classed as, he was born Nov 03, so is 4 next week. he'd probably start Sept '08, so 2 months before his 5th birthday? Oh and ds 2 born Jan 01, and ds1 born Aug 99. I don't know the UK system so don't know what they'd be - years 2 & 3, or 3&4 ?

Have heard there's riots in Rome right now. Oh Lordy, what am I doing?

Brangelina · 11/11/2007 21:26

Oh Ernest don't worry! There was a bit of unrest in Rome for that football fan that was accidentally shot in a motorway caff, nothing terribly serious.

? don't know how long you've been in CH but I wonder if a lot of the negativity about this move stems from not really wanting to uproot again. Would you have felt the same about going to France or Germany? Re the not knowing the language I'd see that as a bit of a challenge in a positive sense, but then I'm a linguist by training.

Just think of the positive aspects, you and your DCs will be learning a new language, exposed to a new culture, eating decent food and possibly getting to meet interesting people. Nothing ventured nothing gained and all that, it's worth giving it a go, at least you'll have another experience under your belt. And remember, Italy is not the third world - well, maybe some parts appear to be at times, but certainly not Milan. Keep an open mind, who knows you might end up really loving it. FWIW the idea of moving to oh so perfect Switzerland gives me goosebumps, so it works both ways.

Italy is very good for antenatal care. You can of course go private but I used the public health system and it was very good, much better than the UK if my sister's experiences are anything to go by. Maybe not as good as the Swiss system but not at all bad considering the problems in the public health services. The best maternity hospital is in Milan (Mangiagalli) or if you're after a more natural approach there is the Buzzi or a midwife centre at Sesto. All have private wings too. Mat leave is heaps better than the UK but if you're not working that's no use to you. Once the baby's born you get assigned a paediatrician, plus you can choose a private one if you prefer (I personally don't see the point but many do). There are no HVs as such but there are drop in centres called consultaori pediatrici where you can get baby weighed, go for bfeeding advice and do things like baby amssage and such, all free of charge. Here in Italy they're very pro bfeeding and seem to be less ill-informed than in the UK so you'll get loads of help if you need it. Less hung up abut it to judging from what I read on here....

Re SJH school, I should imagine your ds3 would be classed as reception, they seem to follow the UK system exactly, it's not an international school and Italian is just another lesson as far as I could see. I thought of sending DD there, she'll be 3 this summer, so eligible for Italian materna which is the equivalent of preschool at the SJH. Have you seen their website? There is all the information you could desire and more. here it is.

Goodness me, I've written an essay of epic proportions!

ernest · 11/11/2007 21:40

thanks brangelina. I know I know. To be honest, if dh said eg Vienna, I'd be not too chuffed at uprooting, but I'd be MIles happier about it. i guess culturally I'm much closer to CH, Taking 5 sodding weeks and countless chase-ups to get a bank card just pisses me off.

So what exactly is reception? (thick) would this be classed as 'kindergarten', cos if so, we've got a problem as dh co. spesifically said they'd pay for school but not KG.

Re language, realistically, if they are in an english school, I bet they'll come out of 2 years in Milan with limited Italian. I really really don't think it's going to be the great linguistic oppportunity dh also keeps trying to make it out to be. You see, they've already had to learn Swiss German, I fear they'll lose the German but not gain the Italian. And as for me, I'm already attending Italian lessons, I'm doing it, but I often find things difficult enough here and my German is good. I am dreading the problems when im limited e so far, so few people speak English and you inevitably get treated like an idiot when you're not fluent.

I will try my best tomake a positive 2 years of this, but it's very fresh, very much against my will nd desire and I'm sure my Pollyanna side will come out eventually, but not yet.

Brangelina · 11/11/2007 23:02

Reception is the first year of school, just before yr 1 proper, so it's not KG. Italian schools start at 6, so this is very early by local standards.

You know, there's no need for your DCs to lose their German, Zurich is "only" 4 hrs away by eurostar for the odd visit and your can always invite friends over to stay for a week/weekend or so every now and then. Also, if you get Skype your DCs can keep in touch with old friends via a webcam (if they're old enough). You can even go skiing in the Dolomites where German is their 1st language.
For the Italian, the English school does have extra lessons for the Italian school certs, so you could always enrol your DC in that, plus they may meet local kids at the park and just naturally pick it up. Italian is a very easy language, particularly with respect to German! No cases, only 2 genders, everything is musical and all the words tend to flow into each other, making it really easy on the tongue . You'll pick it up in a flash, just you see - I was relatively fluent in just 3 weeks, got trapped in a mountain resort with a non English speaking family so it was sink or swim. and prior to that I had the vocab of a 3 year old (when my mum stopped speaking to me in Italian). The important thing is not to live in an ex pat bubble, meet the neighbours, buy bread from a bakery and not the supermarket, go to markets, local restaurants etc.

If you like we can meet up so I can show you the ropes, I'm only down the road in Monza. I work ft so don't have a lot of free time in the week, but sometimes I can wangle an hour or two "visiting clients" in Milan. Anyway, up to you, if you need a hand with anything you only have to ask.

BTW I do understand the uprooting thing, I was offered a job in Paris about 4 years ago which I'd have jumped at a few years before, but I ended up turning it down as I just couldn't be arsed with the hassle, to put it eloquently.

Brangelina · 11/11/2007 23:07

Oh and for the bank card thing, you just have to shout at them and threaten to move your account. I was told 3 weeks for mine the last time I had it stolen, to which I growled down the phone that even in Rwanda I'd have a new card in 3 days so they'd better get it sorted or I'd be moving my money (luckily had a bit in there at the time!) and guess what, they opened early just for me to pick up my card the following Friday morning. Unfortunately I turned up late so basically undid any credibility I might have had....

francagoestohollywood · 11/11/2007 23:37

I'm back!!!!! It took the bus 1 hr and 20 mins to go from Victoria to Heathrow . And then they say Milan's traffic's bad .
It was lovely to meet hothell and Pippi , I was very happy
And today i spent the whole afternoon at Libertys. What a civilised place.
Pippi, your dh might have lost his passport, but this afternoon at 2 o'clock dh rang me (I was still in London) to tell me he locked himsef and the children out. How utterly useless!!! Luckily he managed to get his office open and get the spare set of keys. hgdhkkhjgkjgf.
will post tomorrow more extensively, but Ernest do you know that there is also a german school in Milan? I used to go there to play the piano. It was lovely. True, it was 1983...

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ernest · 12/11/2007 06:43

yes, I know there's definately a swiss school, which did come into consideration, but if we have to tit about in 2.5 years moving AGAIN to the UK, then it makes more sence familiarising them with the English system. One concern I did have about moving straight from CH to UK was the dc didn't start school till age 7 so being behind their UK counterparts, so this would at least be 1 good thing.

AFter yet another crap nights sleep I'm feeling angry and more pissed off about the whole thing

Brangelina, dh's new work is the bank, so not sure how well his threats would go down . But it's the whole having to push to get anything done. it's just not me. I like being able to make 1 visit/phone call, and it's done, promptly and efficiently. I like the fact that here people know and adhere to the highway code, no double parking, no constant beeping.

OMG, what am I letting myself in for????

Rosa · 12/11/2007 08:10

Oh Ernest what fun ( NOT) especially if you know you will have to move again in a few years time . Have you thought about maybe going to live outside Milan say on the Lakes if you wanted a bit more 'open space' and dh can commute but I guess there you will not have the choice of international schools .
As regards pre and anti natal care i second Brangelina I had more blood tests , scans than in the UK and I went part private part state. Ok here we do not have HV but there is 7 day a week paed on call plus your actucal paed rather than a gp. The consutation clinics are a godsend and you meet loads of mums there .
Milan is very international and I guess with the bank there will be other Uk families in the area to help support and you will have Franca and Brangelina !

Buona G a tutti - they say Siberia is heading our way again this week oh goody !
Pippi did you get passport sorted ??
Franca why were you going to heathrow on your way back ( nosey here ???) Did you fly back to Exeter ???

francagoestohollywood · 12/11/2007 09:38

ciao rosa , no I wasn't flying, but the bus connecting London to the south west travels from Victoria-Heathrow-Exeter-Plymouth (or Totnes). so it's a long way. But it's nice because it drives through Knightsbridge!!!! Yesterday I wished I was a Londoner with a high powered job in the city and able to afford everything I saw... I'm not, never mind. I'm back down to earth today .
Ernest, have emailed you back. I'm pretty sure that there is a supporting netwrk of English expats in Milan.

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francagoestohollywood · 12/11/2007 09:38

allora mando un email cumulativo rosa/brang/pippi/me????

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francagoestohollywood · 12/11/2007 09:38

chilly wind here as well!

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PippiCalzelunghe · 12/11/2007 10:15

si si manda! Buongiorno!

Oh Franca how much do I sympatize (sp?) DH just called. His meeting did not went that well. The only bit of the form that I did not fill in for him he did wrong!!! So now he has to go back to his office (on the other side of town), make his boss re-sign the new form and head back to victoria!!! He is wasting his all day. Also the guy said that the passport could come anytime till monday morning. Hopefully will be here before sunday, if not DH will have to join us on mnday night and have is op on tuesday. LOL at Hothell 'I am very Italian, I would immediately tell a long lie....' I did tell him to invent smth about needing some checks being pg and made him take a letter. They just did this !!

Last night I passed out a bit while in bed!! might have been the stress of the week-end!

Ernest, yes it will take a while to get used to the different way of doing things. It'd be difficult for me to. I suggest though that you forget about the straight forward swiss system and stop exppecting from the italian one, otherwise you'll only get terribly upset and frustrated. I never do and end up making endless monologues to my mum/dad about 'civilised' countries! not healthy and pointless. try instead to focus on the good things that such system might bring. I bit more flexibility and human touch for example.

and the health system and antenatal. by the sounds of it it's miles better and I'd uproot just for that. talking about it franca thanks for tips, I'll def have 3rd scan later on and swab for strep b! I was telling DH and he is embarassed for his country!

wow I am talking a lot today!!!!

PippiCalzelunghe · 12/11/2007 10:16

franca did you go to the Japanes rest in the end? were you late?

PippiCalzelunghe · 12/11/2007 10:21

Oh God, the latest tragic events have def brough Perugia to the general public. I've just heard Vanessa Feltz on BBC London talking about a pretty market saying 'it's so pretty you'd think is in Perugia rather than Lewisham (south london)'!!!

nice but sad!!!

francagoestohollywood · 12/11/2007 10:25

Oh no Pippi! I hope he gets it sorted asap.
Yes, we went to quite cool Japanese restaurant, very nice. No, we didn't stay up late.
I spent Sunday morning in Marylebone high street, sighing at lovely shops. I saw a vitra chair that I'd love to give dh's as a present (regalo peloso) that in Milan costs 210 euros, here it's 230 pounds. what the hell? I then went to Libertys and lusted after some scandinavian fabrics. I just bought marhsmellows from the xmas shop.
London is beautiful....
this I think is the place for private scans they usually talk on mn. I should go to the supermarket, as, guess what, no spesa has been done.

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