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francagoestohollywood · 07/11/2007 20:50

Welcome everyone

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PippiCalzelunghe · 08/11/2007 11:36

yes please.

Rosa poor you. is there anyone that takes care of you??? wouldn;t it be nice to be able to say: 'MAAAAAMMAAAAAAA!!!!'

francagoestohollywood · 08/11/2007 12:03

have emailed you both

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PippiCalzelunghe · 08/11/2007 12:29

I've replied.

hotHELL · 08/11/2007 13:04

Replied too!

Brangelina · 08/11/2007 13:25

Ernest, after Zurich Milan is going to seem positively chaotic. It's a relatively small place, over polluted, lots of creative parking and not much in the way of greenery. Also there is very little social conscience compared to northern Europe, so lots of grafitti, dog poo and illegal parking on pavements.
Italian women, I'm afraid to say, are not the friendliest, although I have noticed that has changed a bit now I'm a mum. It's easyish to meet people but making true friends is a nightmare. When I was single people always wanted to be my friend because I could speak English/got free passes for clubs/had a boyfriend they fancied (yes, really!) and always used to abandon me (and anyone else) as soon as they coupled up with someone as afraid we'd steal their man. Now I have a child I frequent different circles and much of the hostility is gone, but even so it's not easy to break into social circles. In Milan I finally made a couple of good friends from my antenatal group and met a few people in parks with my DD, but now I live in Monza I'm back to square one as it's more provincial and they seem to be a bit mistrustful of outsiders.

Re houses and things, unless you're seriously well off you'll probably be living in a flat as houses as we know them are very few and far between in Milan and many of the surrounding suburbs. A lot of the nearby towns are total dormitories or industrial and are extremely boring, soulless places. Further out is much nicer and the mountains are only an hour's drive away, but it does depend on how much commuting needs to be done as rush hour on Milan bound motorways is chaotic to say the least.

Oh dear, I haven't painted a very good picture have I? I had a bad day trying to get some documents sorted out, can you tell? The bureacracy is excruciating but has immensely improved since I first got here, they even have computers now (I kid you not!).

There are loads of good things too, lots of great shopping, a more fun loving lifestyle and excellent food (it's very difficult to eat badly in Italy). I would also say the weather is better but Milan doesn't really have an ideal climate - cold and foggy in the winter, hot and humid in the summer. It does rain less than the UK, though. Location wise, you're close to the mountains and some good skiing, plus about 1.5 hours away from the nearest beaches. France is only 3 hours down the motorway and if you want to visit the rest of Italy the trains are good and very cheap (Milan - Venice only 25 euros on the Eurostar express. Bargain!). There are actually loads of good things only I can't remember them all as have been here too long!

Brangelina · 08/11/2007 13:27

Oh, and there are loads of expat groups, info available from the consulate or the web. I'm not sure of the link, but if you google Milan English groups something will come up.

PippiCalzelunghe · 08/11/2007 13:43

'as afraid we'd steal their man' Bran that's exactly what I meant but too afraid to say!!!! unbeliavable they are!!! I found this fear so ridiculous as most times the girlfriend was/is a lot more beautiful and glamourous than me!

Brangelina · 08/11/2007 14:48

Oh good, I'm glad it's not just me! And to think I once naively invited a couple of my female "friends" out with me and boyf because he had a car so we could go clubbing outside MI. Both girls spent all night "facendo la miciona" with boyf, one even tried to sit on his lap when I went to the loo! I did wonder if I'd met the wrong sort of people, but it seems to happen across the social spectrum.

Needless to say, 90% of my friends here are men.

Why is there so much rivalry between women? If we went out in a group and one of us got chatted up, the others would get offended and spend the rest of the evening being bitchy. Not always the case, but happened too often to be a casuality. How do you find female friendships compare in the UK?

Ps. I hope I haven't offended any of you guys.

francagoestohollywood · 08/11/2007 14:50

Have replied. pippi your dd is so cute!

I will have to agree that Italian women are "suspicious", though have never really experienced it that much. But again, my "history" is completely different, having always lived in Milan until I was 28 and having build my friendships at school/university. I only had to make friends as an adult woman here in England, and it hasn't been easy either.
Brangelina sop losing your time in Monza and move to Milan. Have found out all the wonderful evening courses held at La Umanitaria, I'm seriously thinking of going. (thinking of taglio e cucito at the mo).

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francagoestohollywood · 08/11/2007 14:54

Gosh, that's horrible. There certainly are groups of people like that, I've always tried to steer clear from them.
How pathetic.

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francagoestohollywood · 08/11/2007 14:55

(for those women I mena)

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Brangelina · 08/11/2007 15:04

Ooh, I want to see Pippi's DD too! I'll show you mine if you show me yours.....

Franca, you'll have to give me lessons on how to steer clear, I seem to attract these people.

francagoestohollywood · 08/11/2007 15:13

Well I try to steer clear, but I'm not immune . I have, in my time, been in some unpleasant situations, but I don't think they are that much related to nationality, I mean I don't think that here in England it is unheard of friends falling out for a man or viceversa.
It happens. But I think I might know what you are talking about, those toxic groups of female friends... not my scene. At high school we were a close group of girls and boys, we spent most of our time together. I've always tried to replicate that model.

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francagoestohollywood · 08/11/2007 15:18

Have to go for schoolrun. It's raining !

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PippiCalzelunghe · 08/11/2007 16:12

eccomi. I've been watching 'thanks for smoking'. very good, I really enjoyed it. it's raining here as well, but I'm on the sofa with the fire on and a blanket. bliss.

thanks for compliment on DD. a friend of my mum said 'chissa' come ha fatto a venire cosi' bella!!' (I can see what she meant though) bran l've asked franca to forward. thanks you've made me a proud mum!

agree girls can be bitchy and toxic everywhere but for some reasons the ones I met in italy where the worse. I think depends of the circles, and mine was toxic!! like you bran I had only male friends back home except for few schoolmates which are lovely.

PippiCalzelunghe · 08/11/2007 16:16

a poll: how far is the school from you house? do you drive or can you walk there?

francagoestohollywood · 08/11/2007 17:51

ds's primary school is 2 maybe 3 minutes walk from our house. which is great.
In Milan, I will have to choose between 3 schools which are all within 15 mins walk from our house.

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hotHELL · 08/11/2007 19:35

anche quella di ds e' 2 minuti.

francagoestohollywood · 08/11/2007 21:00

I'm going to watch history of photography on bbc4 tonight. shall we meet at the national portrait gallery?

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francagoestohollywood · 08/11/2007 21:02

rosa are you feeling any better?

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PippiCalzelunghe · 08/11/2007 21:07

Is it a good idea to watch 'the mummy's diary' while pg? don't think so...

PippiCalzelunghe · 08/11/2007 21:20

NPG e sia!!!

ernest · 09/11/2007 07:31

I found swiss women very difficlut to make friends with so this picture of Italian women, couple with my level of Italian doesn't bode well! I have started an Italian class. I can understand written quite well cos of the many links/similariteis with French, but speaking ie producing your own language is a different kettle of fish.

Do Italian kids tend to have much of a free reign to go out to play? Here mine are outside much of the time with plenty of local kids. I get the feeling they're going to loose this freedom?

And finally, do the Italians have a thing for blond kids? Ds3 got so much attention last weekend it was weird. He loved it of course and performed for the crowds, much to ds 1 & 2's bemusement.

Dh's 1st return visit home tpoday and the Italian trains are on strike . He's been told it should be ok by this evening.

Rosa · 09/11/2007 08:30

Today I feel human apart from a very bloated feeling in my stomach only thing I can face are digestive biscuits !!!

So are you all going to carry copys of La Stampa ( only Italian papaer we found in Ldn) and wear red roses in your button holes when you meet up so you will know each other ??

Ernest Italians love children but blondes are a bit rarer than dark haired children so they tend to get looked at a bit more. I have found it hard to make 'real friends ' and I LOL at Brangelinas ddescription of women being wairy of English women . I was a magnet for every married or attached man from when I set foot to work in this country. I guess it was because I was more open and 'different'. I got so fed up with thinking wow nice chap and then after 2 dates thinking I smell a rat here and I was 90% right !I think thats why I fell in love with DH he had no one else and I diddn't feel like seconda scelta !!

Oh and as for the strikes get used to them(!!!!) and if taking trains on strike days check www.trenitalia.it go to the strike page and you will see what trains are running book you seat if poss it makes a difference as if on Eurostar it is no standing

Rosa · 09/11/2007 08:37

Oh Pippi ...walking distance here for elementare but media and the next one are a bit more maybe a 20 min walk or a boat ride depending on what they decide to go to ..That will make sense to you !!!

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