Do YOU still believe in Tony?

[JoolsToo]

Just been watching BBC2 - just wondered what MNers thoughts were on our Prime Minister ....

Despicable little hypocrite... but hate Howard even more.

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Boo hiss (that's to Tony, not to you or edam, JoolsToo )

Well you did ask.

Mind you. I merely dislike Tony. I reserve the majority of my vitriol for Blunkett...

Do I still believe in Tony?
Yes, and always will.
A great leader in very difficult times.
Howard? Never liked that jumped up twat.
Probably a very clever barrister but charisma of a slimy toad.

He's always been a Tory in disguise, ok the real Tories are even worse and much though I would like to support them, I wouldn't leave the LibDems in charge of my house never mind the country.

I used to like him but it must have been the media hype or something, now I look at him and think he looks like the spitting image puppet.
I think he trys..if nothing else.

Never believed in him in the first place. I knew he was a closet tory. He's as much a saboteur of the Labour Party as Militant was in the eighties, but much more successful. (Not that I'm a fan of labour, or tories, or lib dems - I hate them all without discrimination.)

I should be blind if I would.. I really don't understand him... sometimes I think he has some fishy business with Bush, can't understand how he can get a country to war when most of its inhabitants and many members of parlament didn't suported him. Now we know the truth (no weapons), he is still trying to convince us that going to war was the right thing to do? Why can't he accept he was wrong? can't believe I liked him so much a few years ago...

Definitively, my cerebral functions regarding the correct verb use are disabled at the moment...

My own views are that he's been very controversial, hypocritical and untruthful.
a. Education - he along with Harman and Abbott (and probably others)seems to have forgotten what he's preaching to the masses.
b. The half million that Cherie spent in Bristol - c'mon! you didn't know your missus had spent that much money
c. MMR - Tony & Cherie why won't you tell us?
d. The Dome - OMG the Dome - how many billions?
e. John 'the thug' Prescott thumps a member of the public and Tony lets him keep his job.
f. Iraq - there ain't enough room here!
g. David Kelly - Greg Dyke loses his job (turns out the BBC were right) and Tony stays put.
h. Unversity fees - he promised he wouldn't introduce them ....
i. He's pally with Bush whose own election was suspect!

Agree that the Tories could have picked a better leader definitely - but should politics be about good looks, and charisma?

I actually think Charles Kennedy is good but fear I would probably never vote LibDem - so come the General Election it'll be a toughie

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LOL cab, summed it all up! And Meanbean, so true.
Socci, wow, that's quite harsh. How the hell are we supposed to run the country if we are that cynical about all politicians with no exceptions? Don't get me wrong, I am cynical, but I think it's very frightening if ordinary voters get so disengaged; if we just say 'a plague on both their houses' and turn off, it's the first step to a totalitarian state (Blunket's wet dream).

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Uckky... But what would YOU do if you were PM??

Now there's a question - let's be controversial.

Bring back grammar schools
Bring back National Service
Eradicate benefits sponging
Make judges/politicians retire at the same age as everyone else
Make sentencing of crimes consistent
Get sensible over claims for 'accidents' (oh tripped up outside your house? well watch where you're bloo*y going then - bye!)
Abolish the 'pc' mentality
Exile paedophiles to some remote uninhabited island
dah, de, dah - running out of paper!

I just don't see HOW you would acheive some of these things, Jools. How do you change peoples' mentality, for example?

And how would you eradicate benefits sponging? It's a lot more difficult to do than to say.

LOL at 'look where you're b**y going'!

I also don't see why Blair should tell us whether his child had MMR or not. His responsibility is to give us the facts about MMR, (whether he did or not is debatable), but I think after that he has every right to make his own separate decision about it as a parent and to keep it private.

anorak - well you can't change somebodys mentality - no - but if you weren't allowed to go to the law everytime you were 'offended' it'd be a start - my dh is a police officer and they can't even say 'manpower'!

benefits? absolutely right - it would be difficult but that doesn't mean you just let it go on - all these civil servants that we hear aren't needed could be going around following these claims up!

as for the MMR - don't know whether I agree that he shouldn't tell us, I'm not keen on the 'don't do as I do, do as I say' leadership. However, I do agree that every parent has the right to make their own decision on MMR but we're not being allowed to make the decision to have the single jabs unless we pay for the privilege

No but then I never have done. Would like to say though how shockingly he has aged since becoming PM. That alone goes to show what a difficult job he has to do.

I'm not saying he shouldn't tell us. I just think he should have the right not to share his family's medical records just like anyone else.

But it is certainly the government's responisibility to give us the correct facts about these things. If they did that there wouldn't be any conjecture about their own choices.

He's a liar, hypocrite and murderer. I despise him and his friend Bush. Will be voting Libdem.

I will never vote Labour while he is leader, for the reasons Aloha gives. But I give the party credit for some things - limited redistribution and Sure Start, more spending on the NHS. They will get my vote back if they replace him with Gordon Brown.

agree with some of the views here but I still feel a weirdly inexplicable sense of loyalty to Blair. I think It is because my parents were always Labour voters and I inherited that sensibility, plus my teens/early 20s were during the Thatcher years and I hated her so much.I did generally support the war in Iraq until the WMD justification became known as false. I still thein he is infinitely better that many other world laders though.BTW Jools I am curious as to why you think national service should be introduced.
FWIW I really like Jack Straw and think he'd be a great PM.

I also think the Tories would never have allowed a minimum wage to be introduced and that they would be much harder on asylum seekers.Genuine ones, I mean.Two reasons not to vote tory.Plus the ban on fox hunting with dogs - good move, IMO.And while I am on the subject , does anyone else think that Robert Kilroy Silk is a racist tosser ?and that UKIP is doomed?