More Harry Potter- Does anyone else think Snapes a goodie?

[imnot27]

Having re-read The Half Blood Prince last week, I think he is on the right side, but no-one agrees with me! Anyone else sad enough to have an opinion on this?

yes, i like all the school stuff too. The books always end with Harry getting off the train at the end of term, so I wonder what will be the natural ending of book 7? Everyone dying, perhaps lol BOBD at having V put down when he leaves school. Interesting alternative to an ASBO!

I disliked the whole use of timeturners. I don't think timetravel is something that can be just popped in as a handy plot solver. Time travel is not neat, it leaves too many questions and universes hanging about messily. If you're going to write about timetravel, make it the main action of the book and do the research (ie there are plenty of excellent timetravel novels and scientific theory out there).
I'm reading Audrey Niffenegger at the moment so I'm a bit biased, it is tieing my brain in knots but I'm loving it.

I agree re not liking time turners. As I said, if they are introduced, I can never see what stops Dumbledore going back to before Voldemort is born and preventing his conception. Hmm interesting plot idea.... the young Albus jumping in between Riddle and Merope and carrying her off to ravish her................

Anyway, if not time turners in Book 7, then animagi?

did anyone else wonder if there was more to Aragog's death than was said at the time? There was alot about spiders in the last book, and Snape lives at 'spinners end.' That must be going somewhere surely.

well noted re spinners end there

hmmm

I hope she's not going to do a luke skywalker on dd

think its ok, actually-remember in bk 6 harry et al can't get to see hagrid and he says something about time turners and they say that all time turners were destroyed in the battle at the minstrey. It seemed strange at the time

phew. Thank goodness for that, eh? I don't want to plough through all those books for a simplistic timetraveling explaination, I can get that off dr who.

I agree, timeturners thing is a bit of a neat trick to explain away all the knotty problems in the plot! Also didn't like Barty Crouch jr taking polyjuice potion in GoF, seemed like a real cop-out! You and try and work it out and pick up clues through the book, then, oh actually he's just someone else in disguise! Everyone in the book could be someone else! Maybe ref from book 3 is about Lupin, or Pettigrew?

Yeah I felt a bit betrayed! I had really liked the Barty Crouch character!
Anyway you never know there might be a whole new method to communicate with the past. Isn't the magic mirror supposed to come back into action? Maybe it can be used in more ways than have been shown so far...?

yeah the 2 way mirror is supposed to come back. I think its the one Sirius gave to Harry

I always wondered what happened to the two way mirror.
I wonder about the portrait of dd too. There's alot about harry never being able to see/talk to dd or sirius again, but the other portraits are able to talk, give opinions etc so why can't harry get advice on the horcruxes from dd's portrait? Have I missed something?

I always wondered what happened to the two way mirror.
I wonder about the portrait of dd too. There's alot about harry never being able to see/talk to dd or sirius again, but the other portraits are able to talk, give opinions etc so why can't harry get advice on the horcruxes from dd's portrait? Have I missed something?

Can I ask a burning question I have about the 2 way mirror? Sirius gave that to harry saying if ever he needed to talk to him, he could use it. Harry was, IIRC, feeling a bit sensitive at the time and vows to himself that he won't call on Sirius and puts the mirror at the bottom of his trunk.

Later on, there is the big moment when he has the vision that Sirius is injured in the Department of Mysteries. Hermione persuades him to check to see if Sirius is at Grimmauld Place and he goes to Umbridge's office and talks to Kreacher in the fireplace.

Sorry if I am missing something here, but why did he not use the mirror then? Surely that way he would have been sure to get Sirius (who was only actually upstairs tending to Buckbeak) rather than Krecher who misled him and led them all to their bug mistake of going to the Department of Mysteries. Obviously the plot would have been messed up at that point so I assumed JKR had Harry forget about the mirror so he would have to use the less reliable method of the fireplace.

but then, at the very end of the book, harry does find the mirror at the bottom of his trunk. He tries to use it to contact Sirius even though he is now dead. I assumed at this point he would realise his huge mistake in throwing the mirror to the bottom of his trunk and forgetting about it, but no, there is no moment of realisation or regret. I found this very odd. It made me wonder what the 2 way mirror was for. I still think it would have been far more realistic for Harry to have been doubly mortified, not only at being instrumental in causing Sirius' death, but also in realising that it could all have been prevented if his pride had not got the better of him.

What does anyone else think?

I thought he had forgtten about the mirror? thats why he used the fireplace?

I may be wrong, my ability to retain info about books and film is very low! I am having to reread just to check things that have been mentioned on this thread!

Maybe she just meant not using the mirror as another thing to illustrate how pissed off Harry is all the way through the book. I really liked that in OotP, it suited the age he was at and he had every right to be grouchy and fed up anyway.
Spinner's End, eh? Good one. But she makes a point of saying spiders are frightened of snakes in Book2 so you'd think that might limit Snape's interactions with Voldy and Nagini if he were an animagus.

Oh yes, he forgot about it - definitely. And he was pissed off and determined not to ask for help and yes that is typically teenager-ish, but what I meant was, wouldn't the fact that he had forgotten about it add to his grief later? yet it never gets mentioned. That is weak IMO.

Dino.. I didn't mean that snape was an animagus... that hadn't occured to me. I just don't see why jkr would have snape living at spinners end, and then aragog dies, if that's all there was to that story line. I just feel there must be a connection we don't know about yet.

Yeah and I noticed Snape being described as moving spider-like at one point in ootp. I got sick of Harrys attitude but it does make sense of course.
The two way mirror didn't reach its full potential which could mean there's more to come about it but the mirror I was thinking about was the one where Harry saw his parents and Dd confiscated it. He wasn't able to communicate with them though. So I'm proably clutching at straws!
Maybe Snape will be the one who fills in the blanks about Dd in the end.
The more I think about it the more befuddled I get!

just to say-DG-have finally started plughing through that site you linked to-beyond hogwarts. Its fab! A happy hour or two ahead, I think

I think the mirror of desire has served its purpose actually. That was the morror that showed Harry where the philosophers stone was

I totally forgot about that in philosophers stone so I guess you are probably right. Does any one think that Dd was there when Harry was attacked as a baby in the invisibility cloak and couldn't help for some reason which could be why he blames himself....?

Or maybe Dd had something to do with protecting Harry, so V couldn't kill him?

Snape could have spied on James, Sirius and Peter as they taught themselves how to transfigure into animals at school. But don't think he is connected to Aragog or he'd have to share some fondness for Hagrid.
Nah, talking myself out of the spider thing, they would have been dropped into scenes a bit more.
Snape's father was human wasn't he, if he's the halfblood Prince. Perhaps that's another reason he was in love with Lily, she wasn't an arrogant pureblood.

wow - i have misssed loads. yes dd i agree about the mirror. he should have been devastated when he found that. think it will be used in book 7 for some reason too.

Thought of something else....

In chamber of secrets when Dumbledore is in Hagrds hut with Fudge from ministry of magic and Malfoy has just told dd that there has been a vote to have him removed (still with me?!) why can DD see through the invisibility cloak that Harry and Ron are hiding under?

Oh yeah! Well Dd is just so MAGIC but I bet V can see through the cloak too....
Have just reread the bit about the two way mirror and was reminded that Harry then broke his mirror and the other one must be in grimauld place.
It would be handy if V got captured and imprisoned during the summer so that Harry can finish school while hunting down horcruxes for the year. Don't you think? Then at the end V escapes and Harry kills him with the help of Dd's phoenix and Snape! See I've got it all worked out, I don't need to wait for the book!!

PMSL Roselily, but nooooooooooo, no more endless talk of Quidditch and Newts!