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More Harry Potter- Does anyone else think Snapes a goodie?

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imnot27 · 28/09/2006 11:22

Having re-read The Half Blood Prince last week, I think he is on the right side, but no-one agrees with me! Anyone else sad enough to have an opinion on this?

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ScareyCaligulaCorday · 01/10/2006 20:48

here is a really interesting article about the mythology JKR is tuning into

dreamcatcher · 01/10/2006 21:08

I agree with saltire about dumbledore making the unbreakable vow with snape. It's the only explanation for his unshakable trust in snape.

Haven't read this whole thread, does anyone else think snape promised to kill dumbledore to save malfoy from either failing his task or having his soul rippeed apart by killing D. himself?

And does anyone else think there was anything in the fact that harry saw something rise out of the flames of D.'s funeral pyre?

Is dumbledore part phoenix?

Rosylily · 02/10/2006 09:41

Thing about a phoenix though is after the fire it starts again as a baby doesn't it? And with Dumbledore's portrait in his office with other past headmasters, I can't see how he can come back really. Even when I reread the book I cried again at that bit!

I definately think that Snape had to protect Malfoy from having to kill. I sort of hope Malfoy will manage to come over to the right side somehow.

I have no recollection of Sirius's brother, I had thought RAB on the locket could be Amelia Bones...? I am perplexed about the locket and how Dumbledore could have got that wrong, I could see him going to confirm that it was gone but not essentially dying to find out...?

expatinscotland · 02/10/2006 09:44

Both Amelia Bones and Emmeline Vance, however, have been murdered.

Rosylily · 02/10/2006 09:48

Yeah but did it say how she died? The note on the locket did say I will be dead when you get this sort of thing didn't it?

DumbledoresGirl · 02/10/2006 09:50

Roselily, I am not syaing I am definitely right about RAB being Sirius' brother, but his name was Regulus (was it? I think so!) Black, and thee is a locket in Grimmauld Place that no-one knows anything about (re-read the scene in Order of the Phoenix where they are spring cleaning Grimmalud Place and you will see it mentioned - very throwaway comment though). Of course, at the moment, we are supposed to believe that Sirius' brother was a Death Eater, but we also know he died at Voldemort's hands (or at V's bidding anyway) and why would that happen if some double crossing/betrayal hadn't taken place? You mark my words: RAB is Regulus Black and the horcrux is in Grimmauld Place and Regulus was not on the side he appeared to be on.

Rosylily · 02/10/2006 10:02

ooh must go and re-read it! That does make sense though.

Anyway now I've decided that if Harry or his scar was a horcrux he still is one so I think that either Dumbledores look of triumph was because he thinks V still doesn't know Harry is one of his Horcruxes OR I'm totally wrong and his look of triumph is to do with V being in total awe of Harry's mother's love which gives Harry some power over V.

Like the idea of Snape making an unbreakable vow with Dd. I wonder is Dd's pensieve still lying around ?

ScareyCaligulaCorday · 02/10/2006 14:34

Who is Emmeline Vance?

saltire · 02/10/2006 14:35

She is one of the wizards/witches who goes to the Dursley's to collect Harry in Order of the Phoenix, to take him to Grimmauld Place She is a member of the order, which is probably why she was killed.

FillyjonkthePumpkinEater · 02/10/2006 18:37

DG-I thought the RAB thing was pretty well accepted, i'm sure JKR has actually pointed to it somewhere? Or did I dream that? No I'm sure she has.

DumbledoresGirl · 02/10/2006 18:46

Probably FillyJonk. How else would I know it? I don't work these things out for myself usually!

nikkie · 02/10/2006 18:50

Apparantly in th HP books in other languages R.A.B. always changes consistantly with Regulus Black

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imnot27 · 02/10/2006 20:09

I have thought long and hard about JKRs statement that DD having the invisibilty cloak to begin with is very important, but I am just lost as to why! In the note with the cloak, he says to Harry that Harrys father left the cloak in his keeping. Sounds fair enough! Also, do I get a prize for starting a thread with 538 messages? Anyone who hasn't read entire thread, people are e-mailing MN to ask for live chat with JKR, so drop them a line!

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alexsCURSEDMUMMY · 02/10/2006 21:22

have just finished book 6 again! have got a new worry.

when dd and harry go to get the horcrux and harry has to help dd drink the potion, dumbledore is delirious and saying "it's all my fault,it's all my fault, please make it stop, i know i did wrong, oh please make it stop and i'll never never again..."

you don't think he has something to do with james and lily's deaths do you??????

Rosylily · 02/10/2006 21:54

Perhaps he blames himself for bringing V to Hogworts in the first place...

Rosylily · 02/10/2006 22:12

I think JK has still got loads up her sleeve to say about Dumbledore!

alexsCURSEDMUMMY · 02/10/2006 22:17

mmm- it preying on my mind now!

DumbledoresGirl · 02/10/2006 22:39

All that stuff Dumbledore says when he is drinking the potion I took to simply be the words of a man being tortured, but now that you have mentioned it, JKR isn't in the habit of mentioning things for no reason. Also, I remember D telling Harry that everyone made mistakes and his, because he is a clever man, are sometimes correspondingly greater that other people's.....

Why are you determined on bringing my hero down? sigh.....

alexsCURSEDMUMMY · 02/10/2006 22:42

he's pretty big in my estimation too dd- i will be very upset if he's not all he seems!

FillyjonkthePumpkinEater · 03/10/2006 08:11

didnt actually have an option to bring v or not to hogwarts, surely?

I am hoping it is not something as boring as that he wishes he had spotted V 's potential for evil etc etc. I want a nice juicy twist, pls.

Bucketsofbloodydinosaurs · 03/10/2006 09:21

Dumbledore's girl - re Barty Crouch's efforts with the Triwizard cup, Hogwarts has got too much protective magic to let you portkey a pupil out normally. I assume the Triwizard cup was do-able because it was a special occasion and in the middle of a maze, nobody watching, outside the grounds etc and maybe it had to be a certain night anyway. The year stalking Harry as Moody also would have been useful reconnaissance for Voldemort and crew, they couldn't just rely on Malfoy's ability to let them invade.
Did anyone else get a shiver when David Tennant appeared on screen for the first time? Me and my mate actually squealed out loud, had no idea he was going to be in it!

Bucketsofbloodydinosaurs · 03/10/2006 09:24

You're right Fillyjonk, he couldn't leave Voldy out there torturing muggle kids, he had to try and teach him some morals.
But then he couldn't just have him put down after year 7 either, he had to give him a chance to be good. I don't see how DD could have handled it differently.

DumbledoresGirl · 03/10/2006 09:34

BOBD - oh yes I suppose there are always ways around it by saying Hogwarts has special magical protection / it had to be a certain night / etc. Though as Voldemort was hoping to finish Harry off after his rejuvination, I shouldn't think Crouch's intelligence about him was going to be needed.

I am starting to get obsessed with the plot lines now as a result of this thread. I was reading a HP website last night and apparently JKR said that there were lots of clues to Bk 7 in the filming of Bk 3 - she was afraid they were going to give the final plot away. From that, other people decided that either Dumbledore has done a Pettigrew and appeared to die but is actually living as an animagus, or there is going to be a return to the use of time turners in Bk 7.

Well, if you go on from the time turners idea, what is to stop Harry from turning back time to before Dumbledore died and somehow preventing the death occurring? Then I thought, why not prevent Voldemort being born in the first place? I know I know, you can't interfere with the course of events, but................

MerlinsBeard · 03/10/2006 09:40

haven't caught up with the thread yet but have just finished COS and it says there that when the chamber was first opened Dippet was head teacher and Dumbledore was transfiguration teacher

not sure what relavance that has brought thought i would add it!

Rosylily · 03/10/2006 09:48

Actually even if Dd has made a terrible mistake or two in his past, it would only add to his character in my mind. It did seem as though he felt he deserved to die for some reason.hmmm.

Also alot of the story is about the rythem of the school year and I can really identify with the school because some of my teachers were so odd they really could have been teachers at hogworts! I can't imagine how the next book will be if its not set with the school year going on.