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DD has just joined Brownies and I have an issue with the promise...

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BonyM · 22/03/2006 22:10

Now, as far as I was aware, Brownies/Guides is not affiliated to any religion, however the part of the Brownie promise is "to love my god".

As humanists, dh and I do not have a god, and dd1 is aware of this (although the christian religion is more or less a "given" as far as her school is concerned). Tbh dh wasn't 100% comfortable with her joining Brownies in the first place as it was his perception that they were "religious", although I had assured them that they weren't. DD was very keen though as a lot of her friends go, and I believed that any religious input would be minimal.

We (particularly dh) are uncomfortable at the notion of her promising to "love my god". DD1 is almost 8 and doesn't really know whether to believe in a god or not (due I guess to the conflicting views she has - ours and the schools).

The question is whether to make an issue of it, risking her feeling alienated from her peers and/or embarrassed, or to just ignore it with the view that whatever she is told at this age, she will make her own mind up eventually anyway.

What would others do in this situation?

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LadySherlockofLGJ · 23/03/2006 14:03

But it will be too late then Moondog.

hunkermunker · 23/03/2006 14:03

Read "The Scouting movement" as "The Sprouting movement" and did wonder.

Rhubarb · 23/03/2006 14:06

They ask you to serve the Queen! The f**king QUEEN! That's just outrageous that is! I personally don't believe in the Queen and I wouldn't let any of MY children promise to serve such a facist dictatorship regime such as the one the QUEEN heads!

Serve the Queen my @rse!

LadySherlockofLGJ · 23/03/2006 14:07

But what if she walked into a restaurant in Hastings ?? Grin

hunkermunker · 23/03/2006 14:08

I believe in the Queen. She's on stamps and everything. More than God manages [going straight to hell emoticon]

moondog · 23/03/2006 14:10

Quite LGJ
I remember them playing 'God save the Queen' in the cinema! (Early 80s??)
Didn't stand up.
I didn't however ask the band to stop playing.

Therein lies the difference.

Rhubarb · 23/03/2006 14:10

Sherlock I can honestly tell you that I would refuse to serve her! I really would! I'm with the Sex Pistols on this one!

Serve the Queen! What a bloody cheek!

donnie · 23/03/2006 14:10

yes but God made the stamps!

fennel · 23/03/2006 14:11

when i used to go guides was all about serving everyone. learning to be a nice little wife and mother and loyal subject. i did, surprisingly, rather enjoy it.

wouldn't stop dds going despite my lefty atheist leanings, would even consider volunteering to help. though would probably be banned for non-loyalist non-religious approach.

we are about to join our local woodcraft folk. i find myself sadly excited at the prospect.

hunkermunker · 23/03/2006 14:11

No, I'm pretty sure the Royal Mail made them [puzzled]

Rhubarb · 23/03/2006 14:12

Who made the postpeople though eh?
The Woodcraft Folk????

LadySherlockofLGJ · 23/03/2006 14:12

Aw but God inspired the first person who thought about the idea of stamps and has continued to inspire Royal Mail, look at some of the lovely stuff on offer. Grin

LGJ places tongue firmly in her cheek.

hunkermunker · 23/03/2006 14:13

The Wombles?

moondog · 23/03/2006 14:14

We made that vow of allegience to the Queen in our tiny little multicultural Brownie pack on a dot of an island in the middle of the Pacific 30 years ago.

Noone kicked off,not even the Yugoslavian girl with the bonkers dad.

LadySherlockofLGJ · 23/03/2006 14:15

Maybe he thought you meant the band Grin

tortoiseshell · 23/03/2006 14:15

LadySherlock - you been reading Plato?

tortoiseshell · 23/03/2006 14:16

God having made the ideal stamp, then the craftsman having tried to emulate the ideal stamp, and all other stamps are therefore twice removed from the ideal stamp.

LadySherlockofLGJ · 23/03/2006 14:16

I couldn't possibly comment.Grin

moondog · 23/03/2006 14:16

lol
Good point

Rhubarb · 23/03/2006 14:17

I suppose it depends what you are serving to the Queen, if it's arsenic or Deadly Nightshade then I'd pledge to serve that to the Queen!

LadySherlockofLGJ · 23/03/2006 14:18

Aw Rhubs, I would not be known for my Royalist tendencies, but give the old dear a break, look at the family she got. Grin

Rhubarb · 23/03/2006 14:20

Fair point, she must be wishing she'd kept her legs crossed more often!

Wonder if she visits Mumsnet?

Blu · 23/03/2006 14:21

Scummy has made me collpase laughing with "It is, IMO, a pretty shite organisation unless you're a pint sized female religious monarchist with a low boredom threshold who looks good in turd brown" - whether it is true or not.

I was kicked out of Brownies for having a very badly concealed Pineapple Chunk protrudiing from my cheek in Church Parade. My eejit friend bought them because they had sold ot of the more smuggle-able 'rainbow pips'.

cod · 23/03/2006 14:22

oh fgs dont go to brownies if you dont believe in it
join another club
parp

jura · 23/03/2006 14:28

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