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Just need to offload - can't take much more of my MIL

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WigWamBam · 27/02/2006 11:14

I know she's something of a MN joke and everyone thinks she's funny, but my MIL has had me in tears all night last night and I really don't ever want to see the woman or hear her name ever again.

She has constantly and consistently undermined me and my parenting almost since the day my dd was born. The day after the birth she came to visit and was asked to leave after a few minutes because I was unwell (long labour, emergency section, blood transfusion, blah blah blah) and her response was "That's OK, no-one's come to see YOU anyway". The following day she came again while dh was at home, and when she got home she rang him to tell him what a crap mother I was - not talking to the baby enough, not cuddling the baby enough, not interacting (go figure; I was spaced out on morphine and in dreadful pain, and dd was spending most of the day asleep). And basically she has continued to undermine me in every aspect of my relationship with my daughter. She talks over me when I try to talk to dd or discipline her, she refuses to accept it when I say "no" to dd, she does things I have particularly asked her not to do.

Yesterday was my birthday, we'd had a nice day out and popped in to see her on the way home. We were only intending to stay for 20 minutes, so when dd asked if she could have her box of toys out I said no. She had paper and pencils, and was making things with the gift wrapping and ribbons from one of my presents so had plenty to play with. MIL kept saying "It's OK, they're not too difficult to get at, she can have them if she wants them", but I had said no because we weren't staying long, and MIL has been away from home for a while and her bags and cases were in the way of dd's toy boxes. When dd asked for the third time for her toys and I said no she started the emotional blackmail - started that fake crying that almost-5-year-olds are so good at. And my MIL hit the roof. She accused me of making everything horrible for my dd, spoiling her day, spoiling the time that we were spending there and yet again there was the implication (if not the stated opinion) that my parenting sucks. My dh told her that she was undermining me, which she denied, but when I asked to go home he wouldn't leave because he said I was over-reacting.

We did leave pretty soon, because I wouldn't stay and was going to walk home without him, but on the way home dh accused me of being paranoid about his mother (I'm not; you only have to read some of my posts about her to see what she's like with me). He has since told me that although he agrees she undermines me, I have to make allowances for the fact that she's in her 70s - basically I have to put up with her crap because she's old. As far as I am concerned, age is no excuse for her behaviour; she has all of her faculties, and she isn't losing her marbles - she just doesn't like me and she doesn't think I'm a good enough mother for her (only) grandchild.

It sounds like something really petty when I write it down, but it's really got to me this time. I have had 16 years of not being good enough for her son, almost 5 years of not being good enough for her grandchild, and I can't take this much more. Particularly if dh isn't prepared to support me against her. He phoned her last night when I was in the bath, I could hear him asking whether she was OK and how she was feeling ... he's now acting as if nothing has happened, and expecting me to go out tomorrow to buy presents for her birthday later in the week.

Sorry this is so long and rambling; I'm not sure why I'm posting it really but I'm so hurt and upset by it all and just need to get it out. There's nothing anyone can say to make it better or make it go away, I just need for someone to listen and understand. Sorry.

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coppertop · 27/02/2006 11:22

It certainly doesn't sound petty to me! She sounds like a complete cow IMHO. I think your dh is wrong to expect you to put up with this kind of treatment.

No advice I'm afraid but lots of sympathy. xx

WigWamBam · 27/02/2006 11:25

Thanks ct. I don't really know whether I want advice or not, I just needed to rant really. And to get it into perspective - dh was so angry with me that I almost thought I may have over-reacted. He accused me of behaving like a 2 year old. But it's a bit like the straw that broke the camel's back - I think I'm reacting to everything she's ever done, not just to last night.

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DumbledoresGirl · 27/02/2006 11:27

Oh WWB have a hug from me. {{{{{{{{{HUG}}}}}}}}}}}}}}

You know she is a complete cow. You know she is in the wrong. You know she is a sad, twisted, bitter old woman who is jealous of your happiness. You don't need us to tell you that.

Go out and buy her a length of knicker elastic and wrap it up in lovely paper and ribbon and don't tell your dh what you have bought. Smile

TambaTheDragonSlayer · 27/02/2006 11:30

Firstly, you should have told me it was your birthday! :)

With regards to your Mil, I think the only way that you are going to ever feel any better is to have a huge 'get it all out' type arguement. So what if she crys. I think that the build up of so many years of this is going to make you ill. I know its difficult and you always feel that you have to watch what you say but something has to give, and maybe dh will sulk with you for a while but he will get over it, and you never know - maybe mil wont want anything to do with you again Wink

Or alternatively I can come sort her out for you!

WigWamBam · 27/02/2006 11:32

Oh, LM, I know she's all those things. Doesn't make it any less upsetting and hurtful, I'm sitting here in tears feeling really depressed about it all again. Why can't dh see all of those things too? I know she's his mother but he must be able to understand how her behaviour makes me feel? Jealous of my happiness ... yes, and is doing a good job of taking it away at the moment too because right now I could walk away from him because of this. I don't want to but I can't see any other way of getting away from her.

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WigWamBam · 27/02/2006 11:34

Tamba, I'm coming rapidly to the conclusion that she doesn't want anything to do with me and has spent the last 16 years trying to get rid of me. Dh would laugh at me but right now that's exactly how it all feels.

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NotActuallyAMum · 27/02/2006 11:37

I think you're an absolute saint to have put up with it for this long - I know I wouldn't!

If it was me I would refuse to visit her, I really would. And I'd fully expect my DP to support me

DumbledoresGirl · 27/02/2006 11:40

Seriously, if I were you, I would ignore the old bat. You need to concentrate on your dh. That is where she can really hurt you, by coming between you and him. You need to let him know how miserable she has made you. You did not overact when she went off on one yesterday. You were perfectly within your rights to say no to your dd, and it was your birthday so nothing should have been done to upset you (I wouldn't have even agreed to go and see the cow if it had been my birthday). If I had been you, I would have walked out of the house immediately, and ranted to dh about what a bitch she was too! Your dh needs to know that, in the circumstances, your behaviour was restrained and mature. He needs to understand that he has married you and you are now his priority. I bet he doesn't want you to leave him so he needs to do something to keep you.

Oh and remember, evil MIL would be laughing all the way to her grave if you did leave dh, so don't give her the satisfaction.

WigWamBam · 27/02/2006 11:47

LM, I told him on the way home that he was lucky I hadn't spoken to his mother because if I had there would have been 16 years of resentment flying in her face and she (and he) would not have liked it. I haven't got the nerve to say anything to her though - dh tends to see everyone else's position on anything except mine (he thinks he's playing devil's advocate, I think he's being disloyal!) and I know that it would cause even more trouble between us than it already has.

You're right that it's hurt more that she's come between us - the fact that he has chosen to see things from her perspective, and the fact that he knows she is wrong but still chose to defend her has torn me apart.

I told dh last night that I felt my behaviour was very restrained - he thinks I behaved badly by refusing to speak to MIL about it, and by ranting about her to him. I don't know who else he expects me to talk to about it though.

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israel · 27/02/2006 12:06

dear wwb...god this sounds so familiar...my mil..is the same....has done similar things since I met and went out with her precious son...
I have never hated anyone in my life before...but her!!!...and exactly like your dh...he couldnt see what was wrong....
you will be so torn in hating her...yet not acting on your hate...in order to protect him...and yet he is NOT...protecting you!!...my anger finally hit the fan last year...and to be honest...she didnt seem shocked...and dh...was just in tears between us....I gave him an ultimatum...her or me...and at that point I was determined...if it was her...i could live with that...
boy...how good it was to tell her exactly what I felt.
she still causes problems...ignores her grandchildren...doesnt call her son...
one day i found out he had brought her round to our house whilst i was at work...she had bought some stupid umbrella...for the garden...well...that anger re surfaced...and the said item went straight to the tip!!!....
I think with yours and my situation...there will always be a huge tension...there has to be...you have taken her son...she is a stupid ignorant cow...and sorry to say this...the sooner she pops her clogs...the better for you

RedTartanLass · 27/02/2006 12:12

WWB - Angry You don't deserve to be treated liek that.

Can I ask why you still visit her? After 16 years, the woman is not going to change the way she treats you. Surely it would be easier for everyone if your dp and daughter visits her once a week/fornight for a set time, and you leave them too it.

As for her birthday present good grief, get DH to buy it. If he forgets...tough!!! GrinGrin

She's an awful woman, you were not over-reacting!!

WigWamBam · 27/02/2006 12:14

I don't know why they feel the need to do it Israel - it's not as if we forced their sons kicking and screaming into a relationship with us! MIL once told me I would never understand about motherly love as I had only got a girl not a boy and that boys are "different" - perhaps it's that she's struggling to let go of. He was in his 30s when we got together and had been living away from her for years though so maybe that's just an excuse.

I can't believe that I allow her to do this to me. I can't believe that I waste my tears and my emotions on this woman yet I do - over and over again.

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israel · 27/02/2006 12:17

dear wwb...yes mine was 30 too...
I couldnt believe what she did for him...maybe i was too blind in love to see all those warning signs it wasnt going to be easy

israel · 27/02/2006 12:17

dear wwb...yes mine was 30 too...
I couldnt believe what she did for him...maybe i was too blind in love to see all those warning signs it wasnt going to be easy

WigWamBam · 27/02/2006 12:19

RTL, we still visit her because dh can't see that what she's doing is so bad. Usually he takes dd round while I'm off doing other things on a Saturday morning but we happened to be driving home past the house yesterday so we called in on our way past.

I have taken to suggesting that he pops around to see her after dd has gone to bed so that he can spend some time with her without having to keep an eye on dd as well - anything so that I don't have to see her.

Dh is also the type that will have a blow-up about things and then five minutes later they're forgotten, so he finds it odd that I (as he sees it) hold onto past resentments about his mother. As far as he is concerned, once the argument is over then everything is finished.

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israel · 27/02/2006 12:19

sorry for posting twice...
the one person you feel you could talk to about her...would be him...but oh no...big mistake!!...he is the last person you canconfiin about her....is ther anyone you know who knows her as well

doormat · 27/02/2006 12:20

agree with rtl
I would stop visiting and let dh and your dd go

your dh will soon have his eyes opened if she starts saying things behind your back
he will then realise what is going on
then he will retaliate in his own time
but if you do this do not slag her down at all iykwim, show some restraint and let dh see if for himself

also this idea you have that you cant say anything, you were not put on this planet to be treated like a piece of crap
for no-one
hugs
xxx

WigWamBam · 27/02/2006 12:21

You're right, Israel - he is torn really between me and her because he loves us both so the one person who I should be able to offload to is the one person who won't listen without prejudice.

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israel · 27/02/2006 12:25

dear wwb....please be very careful...especially with your thoughts....I put my dh...in that position...and although I dont think this was my fault in the least...he felt his only way out was to dissapear...and try to kill himself....please be careful...guard yourself....and go with your feelings...try to get her alone...and have it out with her...say you will never leave him....but let her know...she is NOT winning...such a hard situation for you...and you will be so torn and angry ...I know eactly what you are going through

WigWamBam · 27/02/2006 12:31

I can't talk to her that way though. I have never, ever slagged her off to dh, and I would never put her in a position where he felt he had to chose between us - if anyone does that it will be her. I have tried to be reasonable about her when I've spoken to dh about her - probably been too reasonable actually as although he can see there's a problem he doesn't seem to realise just how badly this has affected me. Everything that we do for her comes from me. It's me that suggests he sees her, or that we take her out, or that we do things for her. It's me that remembers the birthdays and special anniversaries and deals with the present buying. It's me that makes sure dd sees her regularly - and I have never made dd aware of my feelings either because she loves her Nannie and I can't interfere with that. I have worked really hard to try and make our relationship with her a good one, yet still she gets to me this way. I have never said anything to her, I have never done anything to offend or upset her or to interfere with her relationship with dd and dh.

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kleggie · 27/02/2006 12:35

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israel · 27/02/2006 12:38

...yes it was lawyas me that said we should visit...me who worried about her when she was sick...me who invited her round for dinner...me who bascally did everything for her...and like you ...never said jack shit to influence my kids about her...when she did so many underhand things against me....ie....inviting loads of her friends...to my intimate hens doo...meal...all of whom ignored me...turning up at all times at the hopital...when her grandchild was born...being hurt...when asked to leave...after hrs...hiding letters and cards that arrived for me...accidently to her address....and the final straw after many other things...too numerous to mention...booking a one way flight to follow us when we emigrated to australia...where we are now...and her...just around the corner....god...and you wonder why i finally exploded!!!!...these women are like leaches...they will bleed you dry...they will poison you with such hate...an emotion i had never felt before...but boy...do i know it now...its a terrible situation to be in...you need support...and it cant be your husband

NotQuiteCockney · 27/02/2006 12:40

WWB, I don't think the problem here is your MIL. I think it is between you and your DH. If you had your DH's support and understanding, if he believed you about how horrid your MIL is to you, your MIL's behaviour wouldn't bother you half as much.

And frankly, anyway, your MIL isn't really in your life that much, you can avoid her. You can't avoid your DH.

Avalon · 27/02/2006 12:48

WWB - could you present your side of things as if they were happening to a male friend of yours, who is getting grief from his mil and no support from his wife?

Maybe he would be able to look at your situation objectively then.

WigWamBam · 27/02/2006 12:50

Kleggie, I'm sure you're right. I don't believe that talking to her would make a blind bit of difference - apart from anything else she is brilliant at playing the martyr and I would always come off worse.

I hate confrontation, and although dh and I have a good relationship and communicate well, I find dealing with him about his mother very difficult. As I mentioned before he has a frustrating way of always seeing everyone else's point of view rather than mine, and although he sees this as being fair, I find it means I can't fully discuss things with him as I always end up being the one criticised. He's very critical of me anyway.

If I talk to him about it, he will think that is the end of it - I have got it out of my system and everything's OK again. He doesn't hold grudges or resentments, and he seems to see my feelings about his mother as resentment (which in part they probably are) - and can't see why I hold onto them when I could just let them go. But I can't let them go.

I would love us to present a united front as a family, and sometimes I think that he understands and will go along with that. But then we end up with the situation like yesterday, when he knows she is wrong, tells her she is wrong, but thinks that should be enough for me and that I should immediately forget about it. He then puts me in the wrong when I can't let it go, and trundles out excuses for her behaviour.

Dh has rarely faced up to his mother's undermining of me. MIL is like another child, and she moans to dd that "Mummy says "No", so we can't do it now, can we" - and dh doesn't see that she's trying to get at me through dd that way.

I have tried to be the mature one in the relationship with MIL - and the harder I try, the worse she gets. I just don't know what to do anymore. And I don't know how to talk to dh about it without alienating him and making him feel that I'm forcing him to take sides.

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