WIITs take things to the third thread, hoping the Gruffalo stays in his bed.

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Welcome to the third WIIT thread. Are you all ready for more action?

Recent stats as follows :)

JBells PG#2 arrived! Luca John born 16th May at 3.10pm
mrswantstobeamum PG#1 EDD 17th June
Squirrel007 PG#1 EDD 13 July
WYorksLass PG#1 (boy) EDD 25th August
100years PG#1 EDD 1st Sept. Last working day 29th July
Nannyl PG#1 EDD 13 Sept
Strawberrypie PG#1 EDD 8th October
WhyWait PG#1 EDD 22st November
MrsSatsuma TTC#1 since Nov 2010
ShaggingWithIntent TTC since April 2011
AmandaCooper TTC #1 June 2011
AstroZola (hopefully) TTC#1 September 2011
BebeJones It's really complicated, TTC#2 at some point soon
Quodbilet TTC#1 sometime in the future

Settle in for more action and adventure.

Ac. Thats great news :)

swi. Sorry about your sister :( i hope they manage to sort sumthin out

squirral. Not ling now your brave giving yourself injections i cudnt give myself them after csec

im sorry for the rubbish name check that all my brain can muster at the moment

news on my part is that he has taken all his belongins includin 3 bottles of brandy which he never drinks?!? And ive told him i want to be alone all wkend bcos its messin with my head him bein around the house but us not bein a couple. He told me the thought of us being together makes him feel sick charming :( just trying to get thru one day at a time at the mo in the hope that one day it will get easier and it wont b wot i think about all day long

hi to everyone sorry ive missed so many people out

Amanda I don't have a birth plan yet! Except for 'get the baby out' :) I am hoping to wait for 36 weeks when I see the obstetrician and they decide about induction (seems that with diabetes they sometimes like to induce early).

bebe maybe one day I'll try making my own elderflower cordial too, it sounds yummy!

Really sorry to hear your news swi and your sister's too :(

jbells It does sound like you're better off with him out of the house at the moment, so you can think more clearly.

Oh Jbells :( It does sound as if you are (in the long term) better off without him. You wouldn't want your 2 gorgeous DC to witness him treating you like this! xxx

Squirrel - I don't think I had much of a birth plan. I had things I would have liked and things I didn't want. But I just had a very open mind & as long as baby was delivered safe and sound that's all I really wanted! :) When you have had LO & are over the GD remind me about the cordial & I'll let you know the recipe! :) Made just over 4 litres today, ILs and my mum will be thrilled! :o

Had the most fabulous afternoon at DN's party. He is such a miracle. He was about 10 or 11 weeks early. He has hearing aids in both ears & limited sight. But he is just so adorable & smiley. Was being quizzed by his nanny over whether I was going to have any more children Getting fed up of shrugging the question off & just saying 'no, not now, one is enough'!!

Is it Focus in general that are closing down? Thought it was just ours!!

New clothes sound fab! :) I am in desperate need!!

Helloooooo!

Good grief, I've missed a lot.... No internet for a week (I have realised how sadly dependent on it I am....) and have just had marathon reading session to catch up!

jbells sorry things are so rough at the moment :( I do hop you get sorted soon. I have to say I tend to agree with what you said before... from everything you've said it sounds like you might be better off without him. Don't worry about boring your RL friends (or your MN ones!) - that's what they're there for. How is Luca doing?

AC sorry about the job :( but very exciting about TTC! Well done Mr AC!!

SWI pants about AF arriving! FX it happens for you soon.

Sorry to not name everyone - my brain is spinning with the 6 pages I've just read!

Well, big news here is that we are putting off TTC for a while... probably about 6 months. It was actually at my request - partly I've got so fed up of the temping and timing - seems to make BDing so much more stressful. But mainly, I'm finally starting to feel settled and basically want to enjoy it a bit more before our world is turned upside down! I'm under no illusions that work won't be stressful in the autumn term, because it's always hell, but there's a lot to look forward to (in life, not work!) this time next year and I want to enjoy it. DH wanted to just not worry about timing and see what happens, but I now want to actually prevent it for another few months. My only worry is that when we do start TTC again it'll take ages (have been trying 6 months so far) and we won't have DC until I'm in my early 30s, and I want them earlier - but that's a chance we'll just have to take.

I hope I don't sound really selfish now!!

Hi everyone! DH and I have been camping in the Dales all weekend and only just got back. We've been tramping up and down hills hopefully that little bit of exercise will do us both good. Great news: AF has not yet shown her face, which means that OV is unlikely to correspond with our weekend apart. So it's still all go here!

MrsS of course you don't sound selfish, we're all of the mindset that waiting till the time is right is a good thing, after all we met on a waiting thread. Hope you feel able to hang with us here while you're waiting. I'll need some company after all these babies come along, it will be quieter on the thread I should think.

Bebe that's a pain about everyone commenting and questioning, you're in an awkward spot. And I bet your DH almost never gets asked about it. It must be upsetting for you. It's the sort of making conversation question I might have asked myself pre-mumsnet, there needs to be more education about thus sort of question being inappropriate.

Whywait how was your little goddaughter? Did you have a lovely time?

JBells glad you are holding up. It sounds like you are sticking up for yourself and asking for what you need. Good for you. And what a nasty thing for him to say, I'm really not liking the guy. One day at a time is all you can do.

Nannyl are you ok? We haven't heard from you in a while. I saw from your fb status that you are still feeling sick. Hopefully the third trimester will be easier in that respect.

Hello all.

Sorry i vanished again.... i have been reading through (a bit) but have been really busy. Seems I have missed alot.

jbells So so sorry to read what you are going through. How awful. and he should be ashamed of himself. Sending some Hugs

SW Sorry this wasnt the month for you. and sorry to here about your sis

mrs sounds like you have made a sensible decision regarding TTC if thats what you want. Hope it all works out in a few months time.

squirrel Wow at

Cross post AC lol
hear I am.... i not feeling sick (much) anymore and am down to being sick every 3 - 4 days (and had one 5 day record)
last night it was my anti-sick tablet that MADE ME be sick... although small they are not coated and i didnt swallow it properly and it got stuck and back of throat making me sick. (but not 'pregnant sick, more stick fingers down back of throat sick)... thought it was a bit ironic! lol

Morning all!

It's been yet another busy weekend for us all hasn't it?!? To top off the arrival of AF and my sisters bad news, DH was assaulted on Saturday afternoon in front of me. He was ok and managed to restrain the guy but he's been to A&E this morning and has broken his finger! It was bloody scary though.

Haven't had time to read everybody's posts but will hopefully catch up today (I'm really not in the mood for work!!!)

SWI how awful and frightening. Thank goodness he is ok (other than poorly finger). Are police involved?

Just thought id share my latest charity shop bargain:

2 waterprrof single bed waterproof protector with terry toweling backing for 50p)
They have been well used (but still fine) and plan to put them on sofa during labour / birth etc etc. (maybe a bit before just incase waters go unexpectedly) I will no doubt be wet from the water, and even so they will ensure that no blood reaches sofa and if it does, they can be binned as for 50p i wont care!

OMG SWI Hope he (and you) are ok?! How terrifying! I'd be scared witless if someone did that to DH in front of me! :(

Nannyl - sounds like a lovely relaxing & productive weekend! :)

AC - sounds like a lovely weekend too! :)

MrsS - sounds like you have made a good decision that you are happy with.

Really feeling stressed out at the moment. Very highly strung & snappy. Hate being like this! :( Just completely broke down in front of DD coz I dropped my camera on the floor...WTF is that all about?!

oh bebe poor you. I am guessing that you are so exhausted from looking after your family and constantly walking on egg-shalls around your DH that sometimes you need to let it all out. Holding everything in is only a short term fix.

When i was younger I spent years and years putting on a brave face and pretending I was ok. It made me very ill and since getting over that I've made myself speak about how I am feeling. I know it's not easy in your situation but hopefully you can find a way to get things off your chest. Have you tried a diary? I did that for a while and although nobody ever saw it, I found it really helped!

DH is fine, thankfully!

Nannyl I have a question about nappies actually. What colours wash best? Is it easier to get the stains out of some than others? And for washing purposes would it be easier just to get 20 in whatever colour washes best?

Good to hear that everything went well with the midwife. It sounds like you had a really lovely weekend. Hope you managed to take your mind off things for a while.

SWI what an awful thing to happen! Hope you are both ok.

Bebe you poor love. I know just how hard it is. My DH may have agreed in principle but it remains to bee seen what happens in practice and between you and me I'm not optimistic. You need some RL support in relation to what you're going through.

Hello
AC most shaped nappeis (my favourites) are white (or an unbleached creamy type colour) (I have a couple of coloured MEOS but then the inside and the boosters are still white)
Some pocket nappies are colourful.... but then the inserts and insides are almost always white / creamy colour.
Tots do different colour nappies. (rainbow bots)
and wraps can be colourful.

In all honesty I have never found nappies stain much (if at all) anyway. Really! You normally use a paper liner or a fleece liner. Paper liner flushes down loo anyway, and fleece, you just hold as you flush toilet and most poo sort of rolls of fleece. Even so often a bit of poo gets on the nappy but it always washed out. If it doesnt immediately, it normally will within 2 or 3 washes, or just hanging in the sunshine on the washing line.

I prefer the white or unbleached nappies, as sometimes, with all the washing the colours fade a little and dont look so bright anymore.

Meconium can stain a bit (but will wash out in time) and breast milk poo just washes out so you dont need to even use a liner when breastfeeding (though of course you can) It will just wash away

Go with whatever colours you like the best

Thanks nannyl! Now if only I had someone to put in them!

What a horrendous thing to happen SWI! I'm glad you are both ok

Bebe- I think the same as AC and SWI, breaking down like that over something trivial might be a sign that you are bottling things up too much? I feel like stamping my feet on your behalf as your situation is so unfair! if your DH will not talk to you about things though, it might be worth opening up to someone else?

Thanks for all the helpful nappy knowledge nannyl :) I felt a little bit of your bargain hunting spirit rubbed off on me last week as I bought our pram from ebay- Mutsy 4rider for £82 (was £600 new) and went to a NCT nearly new sale and got lots of baby vests and grows, a growbag, some blankets and little outfits/dresses etc- loads of stuff for about £20!

I am also really impressed with the philosophy behind hypnobirthing, OH and I attended the our first class last night at the local hospital and really enjoyed it. We are doing the Mongen method and it really made sense to me and the practitioner was lovely.

Just an update on babystrawb- she has been kicking up a storm for a good few weeks now and you can really see my abdomen being pushed out when she does, I thought I might feel like I was in the film Alien when this started happening but it is really nice to be able to feel her in there :)

Strawberry that's really exciting!!

Bebe - ditto all above. (Sorry, not much point in me retyping it!) Get thee to a nice hot bath and relax. You sound like you need it. I was given some veyr good advice today: stop thinking about what I 'should' be doing and think about what I 'want' to do. That was in terms of my job (as I find it difficult there being no boundaries on how long I should spend on it) but I thought it was sensible (although I realise with a DD this must be harder! but, think about yourself more).

SWI hope you and your DH are feeling better - what a horrible thing to happen! What happened to the perpertrator?

I am feeling thoroughly fed up after having had a very good few weeks. Feeling very out of sorts and like something isn't quite right that I can't put my finger on. :(

bebe I can't imagine how horrible it is trying to shrug off the "when are you having another" question :( People should have more tact!

whywait I have gone for a moses basket initially (originally Mamas and Papas, but an ebay bargain!) as there's nowhere to put a cot in our room. Then, the ILs are lending us a cot - actually the same one that they used when DH was a baby :) Hope you had a lovely time visiting your goddaughter!

mrsS you've got to do what's right for you! There's no point in going ahead with TTC if it's not the right time :) Sorry to hear you're feeling out of sorts though - have you got any ideas why?

nannyl I have got round to reading your nappies email now, and it's really useful, so thanks for sending it! A colleague has given me a few of the totsease bamboozle nappies and the motherease wrappers, so I will try those out to begin with and see how I get on. Sounds like you've been really busy lately, I'm exhausted just reading what you've been up to! And I'm jealous of your strawberry crop - I think I have managed to grow about 5 this year!

strawberry it's nice to hear about babystrawberry wriggling away :) What's hypnobirthing? I've heard the term, but have no idea what it is!

SWI what an awful thing to happen to your DH, hope you're both ok.

jbells I hope you are doing ok

Things here are good, I'm managing to keep my blood sugars down now (with a little insulin help!) and I'm excited that there's only a day and a week left at work before I'm on leave Am starting to get a bit more tired now, so looking forward to the leave. Plus baby is getting stronger and loves to wake up just as I go to bed, so it's not as easy to go to sleep anymore Although, luckily I've not had any sleeping problems so far this pregnancy. Hope you're all well!

Hi Squirrel, Hypnobirthing is using deep relaxation and visualisation techniques to make labour and birth easier. The theory behind it is that normal labour (ie without any complications) should not be very painful and that the extreme pain is created due to fear and tension. For example, if an animal was giving birth and they were frightened their body naturally reacts to slow down the labour so they can move to somewhere safe (Which can make things painful as the uterine muscles still try to contract but end up pushing the baby up against a non compliant lower uterus/cervix). Also blood is diverted to essential body functions for fight/flight rather than the uterus/baby.

Women have apparently been conditioned to expect labour to be horrific and dangerous since the early Christians who decided that women must be isolated during childbirth and things started to go wrong a lot more. So if you can recondition yourself not to be fearful during labour it can help everything run more smoothly. There is a much better explanation on the website, I am a very cynical person but it does make sense to me that thoughts can cause a physiological reaction- remember ACs story about her friend who screamed blue murder because she thought she had cut her food open but it was really just a leaf stuck to it?

When you see footage of women who have done hypnobirthing they do seem to require less pain relief and be calmer so I thought it couldn't hurt to give it a go- I will let you know come October if it works (for me anyway)!

Great news about Maternity leave not being far off! I can't wait to finish work but my last day is September 9th so still quite a long way off yet. Rubbish.

ps Shocker- Sarah Beeny is on the telly and does not appear to be pregnant!

lol @ Beeny not being updiffed!!

I am feeling a bit more myself today. Although did get snappier with DD towards the end of the day. Little things are winding me up, perhaps it's my hormones!! AF due next week!

Strawberry - so cute about little Strawb! :) The theory behind hypnobirthing interests me, just don't know if I could take the actual practise seriously...and I know DH wouldn't & would be putting me off! :o

Squirrel - glad blood sugars are behaving themselves :)

MrsS - sympathies, I feel a bit like that too! have an un-MN

Hello everyone

strawberry impressed at your bargains, especially the pram well done!

Mrs Hope you feel better soon

Squirrel..... ooh tots bamboozles and a ME wrap... one of the best cloth nappy combinations IMO. If i hadnt accidently bought / been given off friends etc so many nappies i would have bamboozles in my collection. (I have used them before and never ever had a leak ) However once baby is born and not teeny tiny, i WILL be getting some bamboozle stretchys for my night nappys.
I too am using natal hypnotherapy. Have been doing it since 16 weeks. It makes so much sense. Also if you are relaxed your body WILL naturally make hormones / endorphins so the pain sensations arnt so "painful"... and if you breath deeply and slowly the oxygen will get in and allow your uterus to contract etc.

Once you are stressed / upset / worried etc your stress hormones will ^override" these good ones, and it WILL be more painful, and you get in a vicouse circle of pain stress pain. Your uterus wont be getting so much oxygen and everything will be more difficult, and take longer etc.

I highly recommend reading effective birth preparation, a practical guide wto a better birth who explain it a lot better than me!

I love my natal hypnotherapy sessions (listen to a CD) which i try to do daily monday to friday. I am genuinely NOT scared / worried about giving birth at all, and that book is another reason why i want a home birth... cause i HATE being a passenger (being a passenger REALLY stresses me) and our 45 min route to the hospital goes through so many traffic lights (about a third of which have traffic light cameras to get you) and loads of speed cameras etc. Just the journey WILL stress me, and that stress WILL effect all my hormones etc and make the birth much harder for me.
Also my dad was born (nothing at all to BORN in 45 mins, so deep down i WILL be stressed about getting there in time, and it will probably make me need uneccessary intervention.

No exciting news here... just plodding along as usual, but am off to Bambino Direct brand new show room tomorrow . Its quite close to me and the old show room closed in November, and they now have a massive one so i want to see what its like.

bebe glad you're feeling a bit better :) sounds like you should definitely take some time out for yourself though.

nannyl it's good to hear you haven't had problems with the nappy combination! I've just ordered some reusable wipes too, so fingers crossed I don't have any problems. Enjoy your trip to the showroom!

Thanks for the explanation strawberry :) I'm normally very cynical too, but I do think there's something in the theory of relaxing to help with pain relief. The brain can do some amazing things if you believe. After all, the placebo effect is one of the strongest in medicine! And like nannyl says, you release all sorts of hormones to help you get through childbirth, but stress can undo everything. I still believe in medicine though, and am perfectly prepared to go for pain relief if I need it!