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Dogs on Nursery Property - AIBU?

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PearlsofHelp · 19/07/2025 18:50

The nursery where my son attends is in a converted house, and you hand over/are handed children at a side door which leads into a small courtyard (behind a key pad accessed gate)

Handovers are done in this courtyard, and at busy times there can be 4 families in the same space.

Recently, more and more people have started to bring dogs with them at drop off/pick up and bring them into this courtyard. My 2 year old is terrified. One of the things he likes to do is to walk from the gate to the door himself, but he has to be carried if there is a dog because he’s so scared, so I’m handing him over is a stressed state which is not an ideal way to start the day.

I sent an email to the nursery manager raising my concerns,

“I hope you’ve had a lovely week.

I just wanted to raise something that’s been on my mind. (My husband) mentioned that there was a dog in the courtyard this morning during drop-off, and unfortunately, (my son) had to be carried in as he was too frightened to walk past it. This isn’t the first time it’s happened, and I know it’s something he’s really anxious about.

I also worry a little about pick-up times, when dogs are in the courtyard and children are coming out of the building. With the natural hustle and bustle, and adults often focused on handovers, there’s always a small risk that a child might approach a dog in the wrong way, leading to an unintended incident. Of course, that would be distressing for everyone involved.

I completely understand that many families walk and bring their dogs with them, and it’s a tricky balance to strike. I just wanted to share how it’s affecting (my son), in case there’s anything that can be done to help make drop-off and pick-up feel safer and more comfortable for everyone.

Thanks so much for your understanding.

Best wishes,

The nursery replied, a whole week later.. and said “I understand the concerns raised in your email and that (my son) was unsure about coming into the nursery because of the dogs in the courtyard. We don't actively discourage family pets coming to nursery, but I will use the weekly sheet to remind all owners of the need to keep pets under control (on a lead) while on the nursery premises. During handovers, the staff are always aware if their is a dog within the courtyard and will always discourage the children from touching the dog unless approval has been given by the owner and the child is alongside an adult”

I replied again

“Thank you for your response.

I really appreciate your explanation, but I do remain concerned about the presence of dogs in the courtyard during drop-off and pick-up times.
As I understand it, a core principle of any robust risk assessment is to eliminate risks wherever possible. In this case, it’s difficult to see how the presence of dogs provides a benefit that outweighs the potential risks to the children.
Dogs are routinely excluded from school sites, including (Our) Village School, and public playgrounds for very similar safeguarding reasons: to protect children from distress, accidental injury, or unpredictable behaviour.
I’d be grateful if you could confirm whether a formal risk assessment has been carried out specifically addressing this issue, as that may help provide some reassurance in light of my concerns”

She replied

“Currently, we do not have a formal risk assessment in place for dogs in the courtyard”

On the weekly sheet which is like a newsletter to parents it said “we love to see your pets at drop off/pick up but please keep them on a lead”

This felt like almost permission for people to bring dogs which I wasn’t thrilled about.

To me, having dogs in an enclosed space with no risk assessment, with children who are 9months-4years feels mad.

I’m not anti-dog by any stretch. We had dogs growing up and are very much “dog” people.

Their response has made my question myself. I am being unreasonable?

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Melsy88 · 22/07/2025 09:53

JobIessInSeattle · 22/07/2025 09:46

How do you know there isn't an issue? I HATE dogs at the school gates, but I have not confronted anyone about it because dog nutters are just so entitled, and I know it would impact my son if I was known as 'that mother who doesn't like dogs'. I have spoken with several people who also hate seeing dogs at the gate, so I know I am not alone. This thread should tell you that too! Leave the mutt at home.

No

DarkForces · 22/07/2025 10:02

JobIessInSeattle · 22/07/2025 09:46

How do you know there isn't an issue? I HATE dogs at the school gates, but I have not confronted anyone about it because dog nutters are just so entitled, and I know it would impact my son if I was known as 'that mother who doesn't like dogs'. I have spoken with several people who also hate seeing dogs at the gate, so I know I am not alone. This thread should tell you that too! Leave the mutt at home.

It must be hard when the mere sight of a creature other than a human causes you such extreme emotions. I mean I don't like cats but it's a fleeting thought as I step past them. No point stressing about things I can't change

PearlsofHelp · 22/07/2025 11:14

gotellsomeone · 21/07/2025 18:32

You are being ridiculous. The clear solution is you teach your child to be able to walk a few step steps when there is a dog nearby (on lead), there are dogs absolutely everywhere and he needs to be able to this, it is literally an essential life skill. Picking him up or asking for dogs to be removed is not a long term solution.
What if he was terrified of umbrellas? Would you think parents waiting if the court yard shouldn’t be allowed to use them in the rain?

I’ve never heard of a small child being bitten or knocked over by an unpredictable or stressed umbrella.

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Hmm1234 · 22/07/2025 13:24

PearlsofHelp · 19/07/2025 18:50

The nursery where my son attends is in a converted house, and you hand over/are handed children at a side door which leads into a small courtyard (behind a key pad accessed gate)

Handovers are done in this courtyard, and at busy times there can be 4 families in the same space.

Recently, more and more people have started to bring dogs with them at drop off/pick up and bring them into this courtyard. My 2 year old is terrified. One of the things he likes to do is to walk from the gate to the door himself, but he has to be carried if there is a dog because he’s so scared, so I’m handing him over is a stressed state which is not an ideal way to start the day.

I sent an email to the nursery manager raising my concerns,

“I hope you’ve had a lovely week.

I just wanted to raise something that’s been on my mind. (My husband) mentioned that there was a dog in the courtyard this morning during drop-off, and unfortunately, (my son) had to be carried in as he was too frightened to walk past it. This isn’t the first time it’s happened, and I know it’s something he’s really anxious about.

I also worry a little about pick-up times, when dogs are in the courtyard and children are coming out of the building. With the natural hustle and bustle, and adults often focused on handovers, there’s always a small risk that a child might approach a dog in the wrong way, leading to an unintended incident. Of course, that would be distressing for everyone involved.

I completely understand that many families walk and bring their dogs with them, and it’s a tricky balance to strike. I just wanted to share how it’s affecting (my son), in case there’s anything that can be done to help make drop-off and pick-up feel safer and more comfortable for everyone.

Thanks so much for your understanding.

Best wishes,

The nursery replied, a whole week later.. and said “I understand the concerns raised in your email and that (my son) was unsure about coming into the nursery because of the dogs in the courtyard. We don't actively discourage family pets coming to nursery, but I will use the weekly sheet to remind all owners of the need to keep pets under control (on a lead) while on the nursery premises. During handovers, the staff are always aware if their is a dog within the courtyard and will always discourage the children from touching the dog unless approval has been given by the owner and the child is alongside an adult”

I replied again

“Thank you for your response.

I really appreciate your explanation, but I do remain concerned about the presence of dogs in the courtyard during drop-off and pick-up times.
As I understand it, a core principle of any robust risk assessment is to eliminate risks wherever possible. In this case, it’s difficult to see how the presence of dogs provides a benefit that outweighs the potential risks to the children.
Dogs are routinely excluded from school sites, including (Our) Village School, and public playgrounds for very similar safeguarding reasons: to protect children from distress, accidental injury, or unpredictable behaviour.
I’d be grateful if you could confirm whether a formal risk assessment has been carried out specifically addressing this issue, as that may help provide some reassurance in light of my concerns”

She replied

“Currently, we do not have a formal risk assessment in place for dogs in the courtyard”

On the weekly sheet which is like a newsletter to parents it said “we love to see your pets at drop off/pick up but please keep them on a lead”

This felt like almost permission for people to bring dogs which I wasn’t thrilled about.

To me, having dogs in an enclosed space with no risk assessment, with children who are 9months-4years feels mad.

I’m not anti-dog by any stretch. We had dogs growing up and are very much “dog” people.

Their response has made my question myself. I am being unreasonable?

My son went to a nursery who allowed dogs onto the court yard as well. It even helped us out by being able to do the dog walk and nursery run at the same time. Unless your child has severe allergies you need to help him get over his fear of animals. It’s silly seeing children shrieking at dogs because they’re ‘scared’ we don’t like in a dog less world unfortunately

Rpop · 22/07/2025 14:39

We’re not talking about tying a dog up outside a corner shop and children needing to get used to these usual kind of day-to-day do interactions. We’re taking about a busy nursery setting full of toddlers and rushed parents and separation anxiety and chaos. There doesn’t need to be dogs there.

PearlsofHelp · 22/07/2025 17:31

Feelinglost10 · 21/07/2025 22:38

So because people bringing dogs scare YOUR son everyone should have to cater to your son? Is that what you’re saying? Rather than simply teaching your son not to be afraid and bubble wrapping him from things he is going to encounter in life.

No, even if my son loved dogs (as my older son does), then I think dogs in an enclosed space with toddlers and distracted parents is asking for trouble

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Jijithecat · 22/07/2025 20:27

Hmm1234 · 22/07/2025 13:24

My son went to a nursery who allowed dogs onto the court yard as well. It even helped us out by being able to do the dog walk and nursery run at the same time. Unless your child has severe allergies you need to help him get over his fear of animals. It’s silly seeing children shrieking at dogs because they’re ‘scared’ we don’t like in a dog less world unfortunately

And those with phobias or who are neurodiverse?
I don't understand why it's socially acceptable to have a fear of wasps or spiders, but to some a fear of dogs is an absolute no no.

Isitreallysohard · 22/07/2025 21:58

PearlsofHelp · 22/07/2025 17:31

No, even if my son loved dogs (as my older son does), then I think dogs in an enclosed space with toddlers and distracted parents is asking for trouble

I absolutely agree. I like dogs, and my DC loves dogs but the scenario you describe is a no-no and why most settings don't allow this. It would be different if it was one placid Labrador but what you describe is multiple dogs in a crowded area. It really does show how dog owners put themselves first, as it doesn't sound like a nice atmosphere for the dogs first and foremost.

InsectsMatter · 22/07/2025 22:00

Why is he so scared of pets?

Newfluff · 22/07/2025 22:04

InsectsMatter · 22/07/2025 22:00

Why is he so scared of pets?

Because their mouths are level with his head?

Because evolution has made us wary of things that cause us harm?

Because they are unpredictable?

I prefer dogs to people, but I can still see why there maybe an issue.

My biggest issue with this isn't even a kid getting bitten, it is the dog getting put down. I'm sick of people failing their pets because they refuse to accept that they are animals, not an extension of humans.

PearlsofHelp · 22/07/2025 22:17

InsectsMatter · 22/07/2025 22:00

Why is he so scared of pets?

I’ve really got no idea. It’s been the same since he was about 15months old.
I don’t know if it’s because he was very slow to walk, so felt more vulnerable because he knew he couldn’t run away but his brain was developed enough to sense danger?
I have been working on it with him, and he’s fine when he’s in his pram and we walk past dogs in the street etc, but he is terrified when he’s not in his pram or being held. He doesn’t scream, he just grips onto me and shakes/closes his eyes/says “no mummy, no mummy” to me.

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Honeydewmelon123 · 23/07/2025 09:50

PearlsofHelp · 22/07/2025 17:31

No, even if my son loved dogs (as my older son does), then I think dogs in an enclosed space with toddlers and distracted parents is asking for trouble

Don’t worry OP, you are being sensible
and totally reasonable.

Timeforaglassofwine · 23/07/2025 09:58

MauriceTheMussel · 19/07/2025 19:01

I love my dog, but I wouldn’t be happy with this at all in your shoes.

I also can’t figure out if the nursery is being deliberately obtuse with you or actually just thick.

They don’t even mention the health risk! At my SECONDARY school, there was a sign up at the gate saying no dogs or cats due to toxoplasmosis and whatever it is for dogs.

I don’t think you’d be unreasonable to kick up a stink and give it to them in black and white that this isn’t ok, and can’t dogs just be left outside the premises?

Catching toxoplasmosis from dogs? That's very rare. Sheep, cats, unwashed fruit are more common causes. Agree though that dogs shouldn't be in a busy, confined area. I would imagine though if people couldn't bring their dogs they would be less likely to walk and the risk of crowded parking areas would be higher.

Melsy88 · 23/07/2025 10:42

There's clearly mixed views on this, and no real right answer. I guess you just have to accept the nursery policy and decide whether you're ok with it or would prefer to move to a nursery that doesn't allow dogs in the courtyard?

january1244 · 23/07/2025 10:42

Chick981 · 21/07/2025 21:06

It sounds like a similar set up to our nursery. I take my dog, many other parents do. I’ve never seen a single issue, most of the kids point out dog excitedly and that’s it. I have my dog under control on a short lead, there are parents and nursery workers overseeing the children. It is helpful for me as a working parent to be able to combine a dog walk with a nursery run. Obviously if the rules changed I’d respect that.

You raised your concerns politely and were answered politely. If you’re not happy with the rules, look elsewhere. I’d also look at what you can do to help make your son less scared of dogs as he does sound overly anxious.

The same as this. My children love scooting to nursery through the park with our dog. He’s quiet, well behaved, no one’s had a problem so far and the children often point T him excitedly. Other parents are doing similar

NavyTurtle · 23/07/2025 16:03

I would be getting on to Ofsted. They oversee all the nursery's in the UK. I would be telling them that there is no risk assessment in place with regard to dogs in the courtyard and I would also be including their replies to your emails. They clearly do not have a clue what could happen in that close environment with small children.

Rpop · 23/07/2025 20:59

Melsy88 · 22/07/2025 06:50

Totally agree. And add to this that the dogs in this environment must live with a child of nursery age! So are unlikely to be child eating monsters 😂

MN is batshit when it comes to dogs!

But it’s imposing your dog on someone who doesn’t want to be imposed on. It’s a restricted space filled with people who don’t want to be trapped alongside dogs.

it’s like when people used to smoke in restaurants. Why did they think they had the right to inflict their smoke on other people eating?

Trampslikeu · 23/07/2025 21:53

A quick google brought up this it goes on to explain why

Generally, dogs are not allowed on nursery school property in the UK, with a few exceptions like assistance dogs. This policy is in place to prioritize the safety and well-being of the children, as well as to accommodate those with allergies.

They are required by law to have clear risk & safeguarding policies available to parents

Isitreallysohard · 23/07/2025 23:17

Melsy88 · 23/07/2025 10:42

There's clearly mixed views on this, and no real right answer. I guess you just have to accept the nursery policy and decide whether you're ok with it or would prefer to move to a nursery that doesn't allow dogs in the courtyard?

Of course there's a right answer, the nursery needs to stop allowing dogs in the area, it's an accident waiting to happen.

Catladywithoutacat · 05/08/2025 04:45

JobIessInSeattle · 22/07/2025 09:46

How do you know there isn't an issue? I HATE dogs at the school gates, but I have not confronted anyone about it because dog nutters are just so entitled, and I know it would impact my son if I was known as 'that mother who doesn't like dogs'. I have spoken with several people who also hate seeing dogs at the gate, so I know I am not alone. This thread should tell you that too! Leave the mutt at home.

Urgh what an awful angry individual you’re are. Nobody cares what you hate.

op you have a choice to move, why is your son so scared? He will need to get over this fear living in the uk.

JobIessInSeattle · 08/08/2025 13:37

Catladywithoutacat · 05/08/2025 04:45

Urgh what an awful angry individual you’re are. Nobody cares what you hate.

op you have a choice to move, why is your son so scared? He will need to get over this fear living in the uk.

Perhaps because dogs BITE? I dunno - seems a perfectly valid response to a meat-eating animal with sharp teeth.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-68503779

Police record 21% rise in dog attacks in England and Wales

<a class="break-all" href="https://webarchive.nationalarchives.gov.uk/ukgwa/20240502120105/digital.nhs.uk/supplementary-information/2023/hospital-admissions-caused-by-dog-bites" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://webarchive.nationalarchives.gov.uk/ukgwa/20240502120105/digital.nhs.uk/supplementary-information/2023/hospital-admissions-caused-by-dog-bites

Frankie

Police record 21% rise in dog attacks in England and Wales

The family of Frankie Macritchie who was killed in an attack say there should be tougher penalties.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-68503779

Balloonhearts · 10/08/2025 15:29

JobIessInSeattle · 08/08/2025 13:37

Perhaps because dogs BITE? I dunno - seems a perfectly valid response to a meat-eating animal with sharp teeth.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-68503779

Police record 21% rise in dog attacks in England and Wales

<a class="break-all" href="https://webarchive.nationalarchives.gov.uk/ukgwa/20240502120105/digital.nhs.uk/supplementary-information/2023/hospital-admissions-caused-by-dog-bites" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://webarchive.nationalarchives.gov.uk/ukgwa/20240502120105/digital.nhs.uk/supplementary-information/2023/hospital-admissions-caused-by-dog-bites

You realise YOU'RE a meat eating animal with sharp teeth, right? So is a hamster. So are a lot of other animals, far more likely to bite you than a dog who is used to children. Most notably, cats. Cats can be vicious. Most dogs don't bite and it's not good for children to instill such fear in them so young.

We don't have dogs anymore, sadly, but my youngest is 4 and we often stop to stroke people's dogs, cats, horses, as I don't want them developing any kind of fear around them. Being afraid of a common animal that you will encounter daily, is a miserable way to live and you can't expect the rest of the world to pander to it.

JustGotToKeepOnKeepingOn · 10/08/2025 16:50

I’m amazed that the nursery allows dogs on the premises. They’re not allowed at schools so not sure why the nursery thinks this is ok. It’s a basic safeguarding issue. The fact that they don’t have a policy and can’t even see it’s an issue would be enough for me to look for another nursery.

PearlsofHelp · 10/08/2025 18:34

They’ve sent out an email today saying that having undertaken a risk assessment, no animals except for service animals are allowed in the courtyard because of a risk of biting.

I think a risk assessment was the only real way forward and if this is what it showed, then I don’t think people can argue with it, although I’m sure they will!

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Maddy70 · 10/08/2025 18:51

As long as dogs are on a lead I don't see the issue. Why is your son so scared of the
Maybe approach one of the owners and explain he scared and could he stroke it ?
He needs to not be afraid going forward as dogs are and will be in his life

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