Nursery requesting to see my DC passport

[cierzo]

The other day went I collected my DC from nursery I was asked to bring my DC's passport. We just started the 15hrs free allowance, but I do not think this is something to do with that.

Why do they require to see this? Anyone knows if this is related to the new government thing which I saw in the papers and Schools week

www.independent.co.uk/news/education/education-news/non-white-schoolchildren-prove-not-asylum-seekers-schools-nationality-documents-london-a7324851.html

schoolsweek.co.uk/pupils-who-were-not-white-british-told-to-send-in-birthplace-data/

Can someone advise?

[WatchS20]

and lots of uk teachers have masters and PhD? references, or statistics please.

[Longlost10]

watch i haven't said anything you can't easily double check for yourself, I have been involved in a lot of educational exchanges between Finnland and Uk, I have been to Finnland twice. I like the country enormously, but there is nothing unusual happening in its education system! ( and incidently, if you speak German, it is quite easy to communicate in Finnland, as Swedish is an official language there, and very similar)

[Longlost10]

and lots of uk teachers have masters and PhD? references, or statistics please.

why don't you ask them?

[Longlost10]

watch, what is your point, exactly, none of this is relevant, and all of it is easily verifiable

[Longlost10]

I have a PhD in pathology. so what?

[WatchS20]

Sorry i not buying it long but whatever .

[WatchS20]

Strike the "I" I had to edit twice to remain polite.

[Longlost10]

whatever, watch, it's nothing to me, what you "buy"or not, you clearly don't know much about it

[Longlost10]

for anyone interested in the actual data question, schools have been seeing this documentation, and holding this data for absolutely decades. I quite frankly wish more people would just refuse to provide it, so we waste less time on statistical analysis, however, you can lose your place if you don't, depending on the exact data, the exact establishment, and the exact circumstances.

schools have been required to check immigration status for decades, some do some don't, personally, I refuse to be involved, however, you can lose your place if you don't.

[WatchS20]

"you clearly don't know much about it"

Not sure I can follow? What do you mean by "it"? What do you think I don't know much about, can you clarify?


Your posts sound terribly incoherent making sweeping generalisations, wild accusations with no evidence whilst claiming you have some sort of inside knowledge on the topic of education and data gathering & mining. Now you have a PHD as "lots of British teachers" (haha) and you are an expert in Swedish, Finish education, super

As I said, I'm not buying at as your style of writing doesn't match up with your wild claims.

[cierzo]

@longlost Swedish is a second official language in Finland because there is a huge population of Swedes living there, as they are next door, but similar languages?? the reality is that they are quite apart. Finnish comes from the Uralic family of languages, unlike the Swedish which is North Germanic. Similar, I do not think so.

I am worried about what future is going to be for my family because we happen to have 2 nationalities. I do not want us to be classified by "other-white" or whatever they want to call it. Maybe for some, this is not important, but for me it is.

[WatchS20]

Finish has more in common with Turkish than German

[Longlost10]

As I said, I'm not buying at as your style of writing doesn't match up with your wild claims then you clearly know nothing bout dyslexia either

Finish has more in common with Turkish than German swedish, I said, was similar to German, so similar that if you speak one, you can read the other. Swedish and Finnish are not similar at all

[CoYoAddict]

'Tourism' is travel for pleasure, what the families you describe are doing is certainly not 'for pleasure', it's desperation.

Hmm. Sometimes maybe, but I imagine it's more often just about often about aspiration and opportunism.

[UncontrolledImmigrant]

Sorry guys, did I miss anything? I was off in a fact finding mission to Finland where I taught them everything, basically

in German, obviously

[WatchS20]

"German, so similar that if you speak one, you can read the other."
hahahahahahahaha .

[CattyMcCatface]

If you have a foreign birth certificate then you will also have a passport otherwise how did they get here?! Take it in, what is the problem?

[cierzo]

My problem is that they did not ask for the birth certificate or passport when we enrolled him, and when they did directly ask me for the passport.

DC was born in UK and is British, but also holds other nationality. I guess they assumed he was from abroad due to his name. At the end, I showed them his Birth certificate and they were happy with this, but I am not pleased with all this categorisation from this early in life.

[WatchS20]

Of course you're not happy about your young child (potentially) being categorised as 'other'. We all know the mood has changed in this country post Brexit and xenophobia has become more overt . No wonder immigrants living here feel more sensitive about things like that.

I also think the nursery could have explained why they need your dc's passport. They could have asked you if he was born in the UK or abroad. If born in the UK a birth certificate should have sufficed. They do need to see the BC because of the 15 free hours to determine his age and eligibility, asking for a passport is a bit weird.

[YuckYuckEwwww]

If you have a foreign birth certificate then you will also have a passport otherwise how did they get here?! Take it in, what is the problem?

Either that passport expired
or
The birth was registered as a foreign birth - you don't have to be born in that country to do that

[originalmavis]

They ask for passports or birth certs so that they can prove the age of the children when they claim the money for provision of the 15 hours back from the council. I used to work for a nursery and that's why we asked.

Noone ever gave me the third degree of got shirty when I asked for it.

[YuckYuckEwwww]

Here's the thing, if the statistics aren't conveniently proving what a drain bilingual children are… they can just bumpf it up by including all dual national chidren in that group to make the statistics say what they want them to - regardless of the fact that many dual national children only speak english, and other dual national children who are bilingual have English as their first and not second language.

[cierzo]

@originalsmavis I can see you point, certainly a few years back I probably haven't questioned at all, but the situation in this country has changed lately and I am concerned where all this going.

[Me2017]

I certanily hope we never move to a situation where we are forced to have identity cards in the UK.

Asking a parent to prove a child's age in order for the parent to use a free benefit nursery place paid for from very hard earned tax payers' money often from other working mothers is the very least we need to make sure only those who really need or are entitled to a free service use it.

[cierzo]

Again you are missing the point @Me2017, they asked straight away for the passport, not BC. I show them the BC at the end. They were assuming that DC must be from abroad to ask me directly for the passport.

And by the way, I and my partner are very hard working tax payers, which incidentally are not claiming child benefit, nor we asked for the 15 hrs free, what's the nursery that organised all.