Nursery requesting to see my DC passport

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The other day went I collected my DC from nursery I was asked to bring my DC's passport. We just started the 15hrs free allowance, but I do not think this is something to do with that.

Why do they require to see this? Anyone knows if this is related to the new government thing which I saw in the papers and Schools week

www.independent.co.uk/news/education/education-news/non-white-schoolchildren-prove-not-asylum-seekers-schools-nationality-documents-london-a7324851.html

schoolsweek.co.uk/pupils-who-were-not-white-british-told-to-send-in-birthplace-data/

Can someone advise?

Why do they need to know if a child has dual nationality if one of they are british

a british dual nationality = 100% a british citizen, not half of one! It's not like "british subject" which isn't a full citizen. Where is this heading? scary?

& It's in NOBODY'S interests to not engage children of non citizens/official residents in the main stream. recipe for disaster that.

People are really crossing wires here.

new census information asked for

• nationality
• place of birth

Existing census information

• first language
• ethnic origin
• proficiency in English

ID information on enrolment

• proof of age
• proof of address

The information is not screening if someone is eligible to use education based on e.g. their immigration status.

The information is not screening if someone is eligible to use education based on e.g. their immigration status.

We know that it's not.
Not YET.

No - that's not where they are going with this - it would be hugely inefficient to make the overwhelming number of 'legals' answer these questions - and the illegals wouldn't answer anyway (you're allowed to refuse).

We will see this again as:

1. a headline making spurious cross-references about school achievement and number of foreign pupils

2. A costed Brexit threat to make children of European nationals withdraw their children from school.

With the overall message being that - even in school - certain kids are second class citizen.

There is no educational or social insight that the additional info on place of birth can give you over and above the existing information on first language and ethnicity.

Personally I cannot understand why you would not want to give the nursery a copy of your child's birth certificate.

If you want to claim the free hours then it seems like a pretty reasonable request.

Dual nationality gives you no information whatsoever

A child could be a dual national having never been to the other country, british born with british parents and one non british grandparent!
Or they could have been recently naturalised with the rest of their family. Which still makes them FULL citizens.

The implication is that dual nationals are lesser citizens if they are being counted in a different group and not counted in the "British citizen" column.

Showing the nursery a birth certificate is a separate issue to whether schools and nurseries have a legitimate reason to collect additional data on place of birth and nationality.

It's nothing to do with funding or eligibility. It is everything to do with singling out certain groups of children to be political footballs.

It's nothing to do with funding or eligibility. It is everything to do with singling out certain groups of children to be political footballs
Political footballs - really?

Yes

Yes of course they bloody are

Are your local schools offering a substandard education? Well LOOK, X% of your school are "other" than 100% single nationality white British! Blame them not the policies making teaching/education so shit!

- my first for a long time
some of you see conspiracy and discrimination where there is none

biscuit - my first for a long time
Are you agreeing with me there?

Are you f-ing kidding me?
It's only a conspiracy THEORY if it hasn't happened yet
certain groups of kids are already regularly scape goated for the failings of the education system

How is it a conspiracy theory when the PM goes public saying that she won't offer any reassurances to EU nationals living in the U.K?

When % non-first-language English is already used as a criteria for parents to rule out certain schools?

When newspaper headlines spin any data they can get to validate the narrative that it's the foreigners fault that education/NHS/social care is in the gutter.

When newspaper headlines spin any data they can get to validate the narrative that it's the foreigners fault that education/NHS/social care is in the gutter.

That is true.

When % non-first-language English is already used as a criteria for parents to rule out certain schools?
I am sorry if you find that unfair but parents should have full information about every school that they might choose for their child and % of non-first-language-English pupils is important to people.

Are you saying that people should not be allowed to make an informed choice about where to send their kids?

I mean if course that it is true that the right wing media do that, not that it is foreigners' fault!

I can understand why a PP has said it is unfair but can anybody honestly say that they would want to send their child to a school where there were more than 50% of pupils who did not speak English as a first language?

"a british dual nationality = 100% a british citizen, not half of one! It's not like "british subject" which isn't a full citizen. Where is this heading? scary?"

YY
I agree with Xiang and Sandy.

and

"The implication is that dual nationals are lesser citizens if they are being counted in a different group and not counted in the "British citizen" column."
But of course it is. Information about English as second language is sort of relevant I think but why are they interested in who has dual nationality??

You could spin this further and say that children with dual nationality are seen as not properly British? It's too much information to ask.

Can you all see where this is going to go? In the near future, people who become naturalised will probably not be allowed to retain their other citizenship. Or, at the age of 18 the child has to decide to be either British or the other nationality. Would make Brexiters happy, probably.

persiancat that is absolutely all of the schools round here

Britain is becoming so very, very backwards wrt equal opportunities etc. Fucking hell. One of the best things about our country is that we are not as burocratic as France, German etc. No legal requirement for ID cards, easy to change your name by deed poll etc. I also find it weird as bureaucracy to me goes hand in hand with a society where the government has a lot of power but in the UK government / state is handling over jobs and power to the private sector... how does this add up?

CatLady - the English second language data is standard and can be justified by need for targeted interventions.

Place of birth is new data requested from all school children. This will probably be made available in the same way as all the other data, and hence invite parents to 'choose' a school using % non British nationals or % born abroad as a criteria. And that is indefensible.

*handing - gah predictive text

The information is not screening if someone is eligible to use education based on e.g. their immigration status.

yes it is, we are required to screen for this. Have been for many years. I've lways refused, on the grounds it is an admin task, it is detrimental to my relationships with students, and I am not an immigration officer.

That doesn't mean it doesn't happen though, it does, by other staff, and students are refused as a result.. Sometimes weeks or months after admission, when their form reaches the top of the pile. Students are also regularly deported, but I don't think this would be down to information provided by the school, in most cases. Some sertainly