PIP cuts- what happens next?

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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cp3q7584v07o

So this goes to a vote next month? What then does anyone know please?

@LadyKenya

Maybe you're right that her friends helped her - I didn't go on holiday with them to Spain so I can't comment on that. They are 20 year olds and I am a middle aged Mum!

Yes I think the bit about planning and following journeys relates to doing those things alone, not with support. It doesn't sound like the young person was alone..

Not if she's in England and receives the enhanced rate on planning and following a journey. I scored 12 points and still had to prove I have mobility needs

@PocketSand

Read all my posts on this thread before writing such an incorrectly informed post.

Not once have I said the proposed changes are rational; quite the opposite in fact.

Right. So the person in question perhaps could not do those things, and needs the help to be able to do so. Hence the high award for PIP.

Yes England.

In her case she 100% definitley has no mobility needs at all.

But it would come under the need for help planning a journey. Look at the descriptors for PIP, all the information is there. It does not mean that she has trouble walking, etc.

So someone who goes on holiday to Spain with a group of 20 year olds, travels alone by bus, goes to parties, cooks, and laughs and jokes is so severely affected by ASD that high award for both is appropriate? And a blue badge?

I won't post more because I truly didn't intend to upset anyone, simply point out that the PIP system needs to change. There are people abusing it. That money needs to go to the genuine applicants.

The govt are going about it the wrong way as I have said many times on this thread.

I am against any cuts until effective support is in place for the people affected.

There will always be some abuse of benefits.

Diagnosis and medical reports should form the majority of the assessment.

Wishing everyone all the best.

Even more evidence that you should report to DLA for benefit fraud if you believe that deception was involved.

@PocketSand Yes maybe I should. It's not easy though, they are family members.

What I hope is that the DD leaves home and builds a good life for herself away from the mother. Time will tell.

So sorry if anyone was upset by anything I said. Truly not my intention.

I was going to post something but just deleted it due to the current direction of this thread...

@MrsKypp Please stop derailing the thread. This is for people who have disabilities - not people who want to whine about people they claim don't have disabilities. If you think there is fraud going on, report it. No disabled person will complain about reporting fraud. But you are not an assessor and do not have access to peoples personal health information. Nor do you understand what PIP descriptors are. Be very careful before you report someone that you actually are doing so with good cause.

If you think you have evidence that someone you know is defrauding the system you need to speak up. Otherwise you may think all other claimants are fraudulent.

@PhilippaGeorgiou well said

Any system is open to an element of fraud, that is true. But as people have pointed out, in this case the reasons that this young lady could have qualified, have been outlined. There seems to be an element of believing that because she can walk with no issues, that she should not have the Mobility element, or Blue Badge, even though it has been explained that there is more than one criteria for being awarded one. What I think is irrelevant about who I think should be awarded, or not. But I am just saying that there is sometimes more than meets the eye, with peoples circumstances.

Does anyone know what might happen with this amendment, please?

What country within the UK are they in?

@Mrskypp, please start a separate thead on whether or not people are scamming the system/get pip for mild autism or whatever. AIBU would be the right place.

This thread is in the section for Mumsnetters with disabilities and is aimed at those who are worried and want to share info on the progress of the bill.

Everyone, let's not let the thread be derailed. ❤️

If the speaker accepts the amendment, it will be debated, probably on Tuesday.

This is not true. I was a Whitehall civil servant up until recently and this really is not how things work. This reform of PIP has ministers' finger prints all over it.

But that is a discussion for another thread, not this one.

Thanks, I think the vote is also scheduled for Tuesday.

This sets it out clearly.

guidetoprocedure.parliament.uk/collections/P4elVoYq/reasoned-amendments-to-second-or-third-reading

I'm a bit confused. Why would they do the vote and the debate of the amendment all on the same day?

Would it not make more sense to look at the amendment first, as it might mean the vote doesn't go ahead?

Or have I missed something

As I understand it, the reasoned amendments are put forward after the debate of the bill. And if voted for, the bill then can make no further progress.

I suppose it makes sense in a way in that MPs can put their views forward before a vote on whether to kill the bill or not.

Actually I should have said the reasoned amendment is voted on after the debate. The amendment is put forward as a motion at the start and then voted on after the debate. I found this on wiki which is quite helpful:

Yes, in all honesty ideally I would speak up yes. I did on this thread, but accept it was not the right thread to do so after reading people's advice regarding that here.

No, your second sentence is incorrect: I do have critical thinking skills.

I was going to stop posting on this thread but your post really annoyed me: the second sentence was just too ludicrous for words.

Good luck to all genuine PIP applicants and recipients. I wish you all the best.

@cloudytime England - Surrey.