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Jewish Orthodox mum AMA

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jewishorthomum · 26/04/2023 14:02

I'm a 29 yr old Jewish Orthodox religious mum of 2 little boys. Is there anything you'd like to ask about Orthodox Jewish life?
Kill my time whilst I'm waiting to be called in for an appointment.
(When I get called in for my app I'll have to run but will try respond later if there are questions.)

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Ortiguilla · 26/04/2023 18:43

PseudoBadger · 26/04/2023 18:38

Is the pushchair/wheelchair exception (ability to 'ride') the only thing that the Eruv allows?

It also means you can do things like carry your house keys (useful!)
https://www.myjewishlearning.com/article/eruv/

What Is An Eruv? | My Jewish Learning

Eruv, Shabbat in the Community. String Around the City. Weekly Holy Day. Jewish Shabbat.

https://www.myjewishlearning.com/article/eruv

Fandabedodgy · 26/04/2023 18:44

Thank this is really interesting. I confess I do t know much about your religion or lifestyle so learning loads here.

EllaDisenchanted · 26/04/2023 18:44

@PseudoBadger no, carrying things outside is forbidden on Shabbos, an eruv creates a boundary that allows carrying within the boundary.

MangosteenSoda · 26/04/2023 18:44

If you holiday, where do you go?

What sort of activities do your DC do and do they/would they join in any clubs outside the community?

What kind of education did you have?

Do you work?

Are you satisfied with the opportunities and scope of experiences your lifestyle affords?

Ortiguilla · 26/04/2023 18:44

@loislovesstewie And I'm very sorry for your loss.

We would say: I wish you long life. May his memory be a blessing.

Guarentinaflo · 26/04/2023 18:44

Ortiguilla · 26/04/2023 18:42

This is one of the best aspects of Judaism - the way we deal with death.

Funerals are very very quick, usually the day after death. EVERYONE comes. All funerals are the same - there is no having to choose hymns, flowers, coffins, etc. It's all very simple and everyone is equal in death.

Then we sit shiva for a week. People come to the house every evening for prayers. They bring food and the mourners sit on low chairs and have company with them all the time for a week.

A year later we have a stone setting, like the funeral but instead of the burial, we say prayers around the grave and the stone. It brings everyone back together to remember the person who has died, a year later.

We have set sayings that we say when people have died, set phrases to say to mourners. Of course you can say other things too, but it means you're not in that awkward position of not knowing what to say/if it's ok to visit/etc.

I married a non-Jewish man and he as well as my previous partner have been full of praise for the Jewish way of death. In contrast, I find the Christian way really really difficult for everyone involved. It seems to make things harder for the mourners, not easier.

This does sound like a much better way of dealing with death than in other religions and very comforting for the bereaved family.

EllaDisenchanted · 26/04/2023 18:45

carrying e.g. carrying sefarim (holy books) food keys anything really

passthegingordon · 26/04/2023 18:46

OP, if you were to recommend a traditional Jewish cookbook, which would be your top recommendation, and what would be the nicest recipes for a decent enough cook but with no experience of Jewish cooking? Or even just online recipes. Ideally with something meaty that can go in the slow cooker.

UnctuousUnicorns · 26/04/2023 18:47

Thanks OP for such an interesting thread! 👍 I used to do live in work (maternity nursing) for families, many of whom were Orthodox Jewish, but that was nearly thirty years ago now.

One thing I wondered, as a vegetarian myself, is it considered okay for an orthodox Jewish person to be one? May seem a daft question, but there seemed so much importance attached to meals, especially on Sabbath, that included meat? Apologies if that is a really stupid question!

JeweyJew · 26/04/2023 18:47

I guess one ignorant question (sorry I hope I’m not showing my stereotypical assumptions) is what is your view on same sex marriage and relationships? Is it like in Christianity where it’s accepted and open in some churches and condemned in others?

Marriage is the religious formalisation and sanctification of a permitted relationship, so same sex marriage is an oxymoron.

There are various forbidden relationships (adultery, some forms of incest, homosexual and more). The way one would relate to a couple living in sin would generally depend on the individual, ranging from openly condemning to having a live-and-let-live attitude. But no orthodox Jew would ever condone a forbidden relationship, and anyone living in such circumstances wouldn't really be considered part of the community.

Ortiguilla · 26/04/2023 18:48

@Guarentinaflo This does sound like a much better way of dealing with death than in other religions and very comforting for the bereaved family.

Yes, my heart aches for my non-Jewish friends and in-laws when I see them struggling with all the admin and decisions around funerals, as well as the long waiting times between death and the funeral, which is like a weird limbo. in a Jewish family, when someone dies, everything stops immediately. If you live further away you need to drop everything and travel immediately. When my husband's grandmother died, he had to carry on working for a week or two before he could go to be with his family for the funeral etc. It felt inhumane. No one is in a fit state to deal with that stuff when they've just lost someone.

I am non-practising myself (we do Shabbat at home, I go to shul on Rosh Hashanah and Yom Kippur, and celebrate Pesach (Passover)) but I think I will re-join a shul just so that I know everything will be sorted when I die.

Synagogue membership costs money but it includes burial society fees so there are no additional costs when you die. It has all been paid for in advance.

ohnonowwhat · 26/04/2023 18:49

Thank you for this AMA, it's very interesting. I actually rather like the sound of regular separation to focus on the non-physical side to a marriage. My question would be how do you feel about the UK at the moment? Are you worried about the future here? Do you feel antisemitism is growing or just being reported more, is it becoming more mainstream or more acceptable? I certainly feel things are freely said about Jews and Judaism that wouldn't be tolerated about other religions (apart from Christianity).

Ortiguilla · 26/04/2023 18:49

passthegingordon · 26/04/2023 18:46

OP, if you were to recommend a traditional Jewish cookbook, which would be your top recommendation, and what would be the nicest recipes for a decent enough cook but with no experience of Jewish cooking? Or even just online recipes. Ideally with something meaty that can go in the slow cooker.

I am not OP but I would recommend anything and everything by Claudia Roden.

highfidelity · 26/04/2023 18:49

passthegingordon · 26/04/2023 18:46

OP, if you were to recommend a traditional Jewish cookbook, which would be your top recommendation, and what would be the nicest recipes for a decent enough cook but with no experience of Jewish cooking? Or even just online recipes. Ideally with something meaty that can go in the slow cooker.

Claudia Rosen's The Book of Jewish Food: An Odyssey from Samarkand and Vilna to the Present Day is a good place to start.

Also, Nigella has a recipe called My Mother's Praised Chicken which is almost identical to something my mother cooked.

Am sure OP will lots of other suggestions too.

EllaDisenchanted · 26/04/2023 18:50

If you holiday, where do you go?

all over. loved going to scotland. lots to consider though because always has to be self catering and need to bring pots, pans, disposable plates, food etc,

What sort of activities do your DC do and do they/would they join in any clubs outside the community?

Swimming, lessons were outside the community (stopped because of covid) they love lego, puzzles, switch, playmobil, we play a lot of board games together, particularly on shabbos, one son loves to cycle, etc. we emigrated from the uk, and since then they spend a lot of time outdoors here. I love crafting, but I'm not in any clubs. Husband loves cycling.

What kind of education did you have?
I have a bachelors, and some professional training, and want to eventually do a phd

Do you work?
Yes, part time at the moment for various reasons, husband full time. he has a bachelors, plus further professional qualifications.

Are you satisfied with the opportunities and scope of experiences your lifestyle affords?
yes, very

passthegingordon · 26/04/2023 18:50

@Ortiguilla I'll take recommendations from anyone - thank you!

thebaneofmylifeisacat · 26/04/2023 18:51

Do you feel Kier has done enough to punish Abbott after her disgraceful comments

EllaDisenchanted · 26/04/2023 18:52

@passthegingordon anything by Evelyn Rose, although don't know if she did a lot of slow cooker recipes.
Also an American cookbook, Dinner done.

Ortiguilla · 26/04/2023 18:52

Whyjustwhy123 · 26/04/2023 18:39

Thanks @jewishorthomum and others for the information, really interesting.

A conversation I’ve had with my very religious friends (Muslim and Christian, not had the opportunity to have it with someone Jewish) is what do you think of someone who is an atheist? I believe to my core that God does not exist and I’m at peace with this. Do you find it as interesting as I find reading about your religious practices?

Sometimes I wish I was religious as I love the sound of many of the practices, and I can only imagine how these make you feel closer (maybe not the right word) to your faith. I also love the commitment to community life.

I guess one ignorant question (sorry I hope I’m not showing my stereotypical assumptions) is what is your view on same sex marriage and relationships? Is it like in Christianity where it’s accepted and open in some churches and condemned in others?

Sorry one final question would you vote Labour after the horrific antisemitism within the party?

Just to say that LGBT... relationships are generally accepted within the more liberal branches of Judaism, including Masorti.
In fact, a Jewish lesbian couple were among the couples to get married on the first day that same-sex marriage was legalised in the UK
https://www.timesofisrael.com/jewish-woman-among-first-to-marry-same-sex-partner-in-uk/

Jewish woman among first to marry same-sex partner in UK

New law prompts slew of weddings; PM Cameron hails 'important moment' for the country

https://www.timesofisrael.com/jewish-woman-among-first-to-marry-same-sex-partner-in-uk

TicTac80 · 26/04/2023 18:52

This is a wonderful thread. Thank you so much for taking the time and having the patience to answer all of the questions asked. It has been so useful and informative to read. I'm Christian and from the Middle East originally. I have some questions, which I hope you don't mind answering.

For food, how would you prepare meals in order to keep everything kosher? I read what you had written about keeping things separate in the kitchen, and I understand that there are foods that you cannot eat. If I was to prepare some food for my friends who are Muslim, I would make something vegetarian or vegan just so that I am sure that it would be suitable and not haram. If I was to prepare food for a friend who is Jewish, what would be suitable? I do understand that Orthodox Jews wouldn't be able to have anything from my home! I often bring food in to share with workmates (and I would always give the list of ingredients used). We fast (go vegan) for many days of our own religious calendar so I understand the importance of observing these rules.

For patients in hospital, who are Jewish, how best can I - as a nurse - support them?

Sorry, these sound like such stupid questions!! Thank you again for starting this thread :)

passthegingordon · 26/04/2023 18:52

@highfidelity Thanks! Nigella sometimes posts her Jewish cooking on social media - her cakes and sweet recipes also look amazing. I honestly think there is no nicer food than jewish apple cake

igglo · 26/04/2023 18:53

EllaDisenchanted · 26/04/2023 17:53

I only have a couple more minutes - chareidi and chasidish (hasidic) are not the same.

There are a lot of sects and it is complex but I'll try do a brief overview:

There are multiple denominations in Judaism. Orthodox Jews stick to the traditional understanding of laws (halachos) and beliefs. Modern Orthodox Jews integrate a little more with modern society and lifestyle, embrace technology and secular knowledge, university, social media etc. Ultra Orthodox Jews/ Chareidi Jews are more insular to varying degrees. There is a spectrum of observance/insularity/rejection of outside influences even within the Chareidi communities. Differences are extremely nuanced, and that is why programmes that lump us all together do us no service. Family traditions (minhagim) are also passed down and are very important to us. So my family have particular practices that many others don't do, and that is very normal and accepted.

Chareidi Jews can very very roughly be divided into Chasidish and Yeshivish Jews (over simplification). Stamford Hill has a large Chasidish community. Chasidim are divided into multiple sects with multiple traditions as well, depending on where they originated from in europe. They are the ones with the traditional dress (long socks, streimlach (fur hat) long jackets) and curly peyos (sidelocks) etc. Yeshivish Jews tend to wear black hats and white shirts/suits and have a different approach although there can be overlap between them.

This doesn't include sephardim/ashkenazim/teimani etc which is a whole different aspect. Or Dati Leumi / Dati Leumi Torani vs Chareidi which is more particular to Israeli Jews.

I would describe myself as raised FFB, parents became more yeshivish/chareidi over time, went to a beis yaakov high school, of chasidish (sadigur) descent so some chasidish minhagim, married to a guy whose parents were BTs, he was originally yeshivish, but we've both become a little more dati leumi torani leaning. Which would be utterly incomprehensible to most people, so I just say orthodox!or ultra orthodox.

There is so much nuance, as people marry across sects, change their levels of religious observance or who they align themselves with, move to become chassidish or yeshivish etc over time. within one family you can have multiple types.

Thank you for this

What are FFBs and BTs?

Maireas · 26/04/2023 18:53

@EllaDisenchanted - have you taken over from the OP, or is this a name change fail?.

JeweyJew · 26/04/2023 18:54

A health vegetarian would be OK, but not a moral vegetarian. Hashem (G-d) is the source of all compassion and mercy, and if He deemed it permitted to eat animals, it would be heretical to consider oneself more moral than Hashem.

(It's actually not just permitted, but that's how animals achieve their goal and the reason for creation. When we eat food in order to be healthy and able to serve Hashem, the animal is part of that chain. It's also how the earth and grass play their part in serving Hashem.)

Whyjustwhy123 · 26/04/2023 18:54

@JeweyJew thank you for your answer.

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