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Aibu to think this doesn't make sense (behind my back)

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tccat · 14/08/2017 20:50

Having an argument with Dh about this, I say the phrase "behind my back" doesn't make sense because if something was behind your back surely it would be in front of you?
I'm getting more and more irate trying to explain my point and only dogs and dolphins can hear me
Am I right?

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Papafran · 15/08/2017 06:45

Not RTFT OP but 'standing in front of' has two separate meanings. It means 'standing in the presence of' ie standing in front of a painting, in front of an altar. This meaning is not referring to geographical positioning.

However, it's usual meaning is that an object is geographically in front or ahead of another. The two meanings are NOT the same. So talking behind someone's back does not mean you are in front of them as you think. It just means that you are behind their back, as you would be in a queue for example.

tccat · 15/08/2017 06:49

WhereWhyWhat , that's it exactly! come here till I give you a big slobbery kiss 💋
Having slept on I've came to the conclusion that I am right , I get the meaning of the phrase and have no issue with it, I just don't agree you can physically be behind someone's back

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Papafran · 15/08/2017 06:57

Having slept on I've came to the conclusion that I am right , I get the meaning of the phrase and have no issue with it, I just don't agree you can physically be behind someone's back

Are you kidding? You sound a bit slow to be honest. If you are in a queue and are behind another person, you are behind their back. If you are in church, in front of God, in front of the congregation, in front of a sculpture, you are not talking about where you are standing in relation to them, you are talking about being in their presence.

SunshineLollipopsRainbows25 · 15/08/2017 07:00

I'm so confused now 😂😂 I'm thinking all different things now.. 😂

mummmy2017 · 15/08/2017 07:02

But your supposing the front of your back is the back of your back.
Your front facing plane is from the inside forward, so the front of your back is on the INSIDE of your body there fore they are behind your back, as said in the saying...
Also
I take it as a double reversal, and so the "behind" and "back" negate each other;

MaidOfStars · 15/08/2017 07:07

I take it as a double reversal, and so the "behind" and "back" negate each other
This is my husband's assertion re: OP. That the word 'back' has two broad meanings and she's sliding between both to come up with a randomly false premise.

youarenotkiddingme · 15/08/2017 07:12

The issue here is that you are equating back (body part) and back (position) as one of the same thing.

Your body faces forwards.

Anything behind the body is at the back of it.

If you stand behind the back of a car you say your behind the car - not at the front of the back of the car. You wouldn't say 'I'm in front of the boot!'

Brittbugs80 · 15/08/2017 07:12

The back of your hand does not have a front. the front of your leg does not have a back

The front of my hand I would say is the palm and the back of my legs are my calf?

You have the back of your arm and the back of your head.

You don't have a visible back of your stomach or chest or a visible front of your back.

Mummyoflittledragon · 15/08/2017 07:24

Didactylos

Clearly the op cannot differentiate her arse from her elbow Grin Grin

tccat · 15/08/2017 07:31

I would say I'm in front of the boot because that's exactly where I'd be 😀

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tccat · 15/08/2017 07:34

If someone was standing with their back facing you and someone said " go and stand behind their back" where would you go? I would go to the front of them

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EnriqueTheRingBearingLizard · 15/08/2017 07:37

It's just the word 'back' that's sending your reasoning back to front 😂

EnriqueTheRingBearingLizard · 15/08/2017 07:38

What if there was a chair facing you and you were told to stand behind it?

sparklefarts · 15/08/2017 07:39

You are oh so very wrong.

Penny4UrThoughts · 15/08/2017 07:48

tccat, I'm so glad I don't work with you. Your absolute refusal to take on board anyone's rational and true explanatory would drive me batty, and you jump on the very small number of people that say they understand where you are coming from (most of whom probably know you are wrong).

Think of your spine. If someone was behind your spine, where would they be, at your back or at your front?

Clearly the spine has a front and a back. The spine is one of the main components of your back. If you can see that behind your spine would be at your back, then it's logical to follow that begins your back is behind you too.

But I know that op will ignore this or find some strange way of saying your spine is not your back (it is very much part of the back) or grey to suggest that the front of the spine is actually the back of the spine or some nonsense like that.

So this is all I'm saying because it's not worth my time to explain something to someone who isn't actually interested in the real answer.

catsarenice · 15/08/2017 07:53

@tccat perhaps you missed my previous question: where would you say is 'in front of your face'? Would you say that is actually the back of your head???

JWrecks · 15/08/2017 07:54

Behind My Back: A Matter of Perspective

This is one of the many ridiculous, intense, and confusing semantic arguments I constantly have raging inside my head at pretty much all times. I did, however, eventually win this particular argument and settle the matter with myself - by using PERSPECTIVE. Here is the key: from where, exactly, am I envisaging this back of mine?

Well, from my very self!

I'm using the location of my brain - ignoring its orientation because it's a MIND and doesn't exactly have a directional orientation does it - as my point of perspective. I'm using the location of my mind, rather than the location of my back, or my whole self, to determine where the cow who's slagging me off is standing.

This gets confusing. Let me explain.

Picture a wall. The wall is simply a 2D plane, rather than like a proper wall in a house that has studs and insulation and cobwebs inside and is basically two separated surfaces. If you stand in front of it, it's a flat plane. If you walk around the other side and stand in front of it again, it's a flat plane from that perspective too. But if you go around and look at it directly from the side, it's just a line, almost invisible. It's only 2 dimensional after all. I don't know if that's relevant, but work with me.

This ---> | is the wall.
This --> \o/ is you.

This > @ is a flower.

In this situation: \o/ | @--
from your perspective, the flower is on the other side of the wall from where you are, therefore the flower is behind the wall.

In this situation: \o/ @-- |
from your perspective, the flower is on the same side of the wall as you - between you and the wall - therefore it is in front of the wall.

(Side note: why do we get a single word for behind, but we have to use three whole, separate words for in front of?? Completely unfair.)

Now let's say that the WALL in the above diagram is the very surface of YOUR BACK - the skin I suppose. I'll put the wall where your back is for the purposes of visual demonstration: \o| (you are now turned to the side, and we find out that your arms were stretched slightly forward. You don't have any hair. Or facial features, either. Sorry. Anyway, the o is your head, which houses your mind. That's our perspective.

But how does that relate to a 2D wall? Or my mind? Or "behind my back"?? Well...

Given that your BRAIN ITSELF is the location of the thought of whether something is happening in front of or behind your back, your brain itself should be the perspective from which you judge the answer, right? Yes, absolutely damn right!

Since I'm not good at pinpointing the exact location of a thought, much less explaining it, let's visualise this. (Due to the limitations of text and dimension, I'll have to expand you bodily quite a bit, but you get the picture ([like, you literally get the picture; here it is:]).

\o@--|

In this illustration, the flower is on the same side of the wall as the thought - it is between the thought and your back - that is, your mind - and the two dimensional plane that is the very surface of your back. The flower is in front of your back!

\o| @--
Here, the flower (or the cow slagging me off) is behind your back! Your back is the thing that is between your mind and the flower - the flower is on the other side of your back (from the perspective of your mind, mind). Therefore the flower is behind your back!

See, from this perspective, anything that is IN FRONT of your back is actually INSIDE YOUR BODY. Your mind itself is in front of your back. The cow who is slagging me off is BEHIND your back. And as you can see, these illustrations not only demonstrate this proof, they greatly simplify things.

QED.

(Now the only problem is, if you change perspective - say you alter the location or directional orientation of your own mind, maybe with magic mushrooms I guess - then all of this changes again, and you have to go back to the drawing board! But I still claim QED.)

tccat · 15/08/2017 07:57

Enrique maybe it is just the word back that's putting me all
Penny, (((((have a hug))))), I stand by my original thought process but clearly it's semi light hearted

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tccat · 15/08/2017 07:59

Ooh Cats , you've got me with that one 😯 I shall have to ponder that...

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sashh · 15/08/2017 08:00

Yes if they are standing behind me they are behind me, but they're not behind my back, they're in front of it

No if they were in front of your back they would be in your lungs, liver, intestines etc.

I know exactly where you are coming from but your are wrong. If you raise our right hand and someone walks round you they will see the raised hand on the left at some points, on the right at others, in front of you at others but it is still YOUR right hand.

tccat · 15/08/2017 08:04

Jwrecks I love you, marry me?

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DudeHatesHisCarryOut · 15/08/2017 08:07

I understand what you are saying, but you are wrong.

Out of interest, can you include a diagram of what 'in front' and 'behind' means to you?

robinia · 15/08/2017 08:08

If this hasn't already been answered satisfactorily yet (haven't rtft) it's to do with your point of reference - where you actually are. In this case you, your eyes primarily, and the person you are talking to are in front of you and in front of your back. So anything behind you is also behind your back.

Mummyoflittledragon · 15/08/2017 08:16

I agreed robinia. In fact, part of ops skull and hair are behind her back.

Penny4UrThoughts · 15/08/2017 08:18

Thanks for the hug. I notice you have not tried to argue with my (and others) point of view however.

That says it all.

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