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Dating again (gulp) after being widowed

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Somerville · 07/03/2016 14:48

I haven't been active on mn for a while, but I find myself with no-one IRL to ask. Which is fucking ridiculous, I know. It's not that I don't have some good friends. But I feel stupid for being so uncertain about this. Also, like they might judge me for thinking about this so soon. (I was widowed 16 months ago. We were together for 18 years, right from Uni, married for 15. 3 kids who are amazing but still broken hearted. FUCK CANCER.)

Anyway, deep breath. I've become close to someone over the past 6 weeks while emailing about a project we're both involved with in different ways. (Both freelancers in creative fields who work on several projects at a time - this is the only one where our involvement overlaps.) This particular project is very personal to me, as it touches on loss and grief, and our e-conversations became quite deep and I felt like we clicked, and would perhaps become friends. I didn't think about him romantically before we met - mainly I think, because I'm too busy to think about anything much beyond my kids and my work.

On Friday evening we met for the first time, at the official launch of the project. There were a lot of people there, and I'm not gregarious (especially as this was the first big event I've gone along to since everything, and am still receiving some awkward condolences) and he clearly is outgoing. But we ended up chatting in a corner for nearly an hour, couldn't stop talking. I fell for him hard - massive, instant crush Blush. He's so tall, and his eyes are so blue, and I'd forgotten how nice it is to smell an attractive man, and listen to a deep voice... stupid stuff. Then we were interrupted and chatted to other people, though I kept looking over and seeing him smiling at me. I don't think I've smiled so much in ages. I had to leave to catch last train home while event was in full swing, and was too shy to go over and say goodbye.

I haven't heard from him in the few days since (though wouldn't have expected to). But my friend, who is heavily involved with this project and got me the gig, phoned me last night to say that he got her aside, after I left, and said that we had a connection that had come across in our emails and even more in person, and asked her if I had started dating. She told him that I haven't. That I'm not over my husband, and that my kids need a lot of my time. I guess that's all just about accurate. (I've been to a few dinner parties where I've been sat next to flirtatious single men who have not interested me at all.) Or has been, until now. She said she felt bad at discussing me behind my back, and also at speaking for me, but she didn't act like she thought she was materially wrong in what she'd said. I was too embarrassed/tongue tied to correct her. She's right. But also... he feels this connection too? He wants to know if I'm dating?

I've done no work since the school run this morning, just written a list of all the reasons why pursuing this would be a bad idea. (He doesn't have kids, and is I think a few years younger than me. I'm not having any more kids - couldn't do that to mine.)

Also, I have no time! I have a fucking spreadsheet rather than a diary, so full is my time. (My parents come and stay to have the kids one weekend a month, but that's it. One weekend a month for me, which I usually spend in a B&B on the coast, reading and running.)

And another also. He thinks I'm not dating, and I don't know how I'd let him know that I might be interested in dating (him). Should I call back my friend? Correct her, and she could tell him? Or would that look unprofessional, with this project? Shall I wait until it's over (at least 6 months)? Could I in the meantime at least ask her if he's as nice as he seems?

Lots of questions. Even writing this has helped clear my mind a bit. Thanks if you've read it. Any advice much appreciated.

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GreenRug · 13/03/2016 08:36

Can't help but add a quick 'one of my favourite threads EVER' comment, obvs place marking too Smile

winkywinkybumbum · 13/03/2016 08:38

Love this thread

babyinthacorner · 13/03/2016 08:43

Just read this whole thread and had to echo everyone else who said it... What a lovely one it is!

To put in my penny's worth - please don't feel you need to reply, OP - my mum was widowed when she was 6 months pregnant with me & my DB & DSis were pre-teen. My stepdad moved in when I was 5 (they must have been seeing each other for a while before that) and they're about to celebrate their 25th wedding anniversary. Slightly different situation as stepdad was a friend of my dad's (don't ask!) but my mum still goes to look after my dad's grave, has run race for life in his honour etc. What the pp said about happiness and sadness living side by side in your heart really rings true.

An acquaintance was widowed less than a year after she got married 7 years ago - she's now married with an 18 month old baby boy. She met her DH quite soon after losing her first DH but as far as I know suffered no ill feeling towards her. Just genuine delight.

I can't imagine how any of you have been widowed do it. I always thought I had it hard, growing up having never met my dad; it was only when I was pg with my DD that it suddenly hit me just what my mum had gone through, and it devastated me. So I'd just like to say to all of you on this thread - you fucking rock. And I truly hope you all get the lovely lives you so deserve X

Absolutely can't wait to hear Lovely man updates. He sounds dreamy... Good luck Somer!

Cabrinha · 13/03/2016 08:58

I'm sure your friends and family still want to help - it's so frustrating on the outside when you say "if there's anything I can do..." knowing that it's an empty offer. It's wonderful as a friend to actually be able to do something.

Widowed or not, dating just has more complications when you're older I think. Sometimes that's kids and contact times, often it's simply that each party has a life they can't or won't change - for example where you love and your job. In your 20s it's easier to think "I'll move to his town" or wherever. When you're older it's not so simple. And that will be true for him too.

The 'good' thing about the added constraints is that is weeds people out. Unless you really like someone, you won't bother. So it's not all bad when life isn't easy!

AnotherEmma · 13/03/2016 09:42

I bet he will make sure you meet up again very soon!

I don't think the favours are conditional on you being lonely - pretty sure everyone will be more than happy to keep them up while you have a bit of fun and companionship!

Somerville · 13/03/2016 10:48

Thanks, all. Flowers I tell other people to cheerfully accept help, but it's not always easy to take own advice. And everything seems worse at night, I shouldn't let myself come on here then.

I had an epiphany this morning, while texting with my babysitter. I'd like things to continue developing with Lovely man, but if they don't, I don't want to go back to spending my only night outs as girls' nights. Which is scary in itself. But also a bit... exciting, maybe. And certainly a milestone in this strange process called grief. And then I read your point Cabrinha, that older dating has more complications, and was like, YES! If I don't have these complications with Lovely man, I'll have them with someone, sometime, surely? Not pursing things with Lovely because of stuff that would be an issue with anyone would be dumb.

Oh, and Tuesday or Thursday will work for having him up to my local. I'm tempted to tell him Tuesday - the suspense of whether or not he'll really come is bothering me, and I'd like to get it over with if he doesn't really want to. And if he does come, I'd like that to happen as quickly as possible, too. Grin But I'm seeing my friend/colleague Weds lunchtime, and part of me wants to pump her for information on everything about him run this all past her first.

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Cabrinha · 13/03/2016 12:40

See your friend on Wed but make it a post hoc comparison of notes Wink Invite him out on Tue!! Grin

You're right - constraints you have now will continue with anyone - and they'll have constraints too. But if you like someone there's pretty much always a way round things, or you accept them.

ProfessorPickles · 13/03/2016 13:17

Such a lovely thread, I've enjoyed reading through it all. I'm so pleased for you OP, such an exciting time!
Can't wait to hear more Smile

LilaTheTiger · 13/03/2016 13:57

chaste dating… is that actually a thing? Like, that real people do and I could google?

I honestly don't know, it's just what worked for me. [disclaimer] I'm not widowed. I had a horrid marriage, tough divorce and then met a series of complete idiots men not right for me.

When my Lovely came along I had sworn off dating/sex/men. And yes, he was lovely but I was burned.

Also I had 2 girls at home and was limited in availability, but I made it so that was more difficult. I didn't want to mess about again.

So a long dating build up, with plenty of dinners and days out and phone calls worked very well.

(kissing from the second date though, because kissing is nice Blush)

I think if you already fancy the arse off him the thought of sex might not be so OMG once you know him better personally. There's no rush is there? And also they way he responds to your slow approach will tell you a lot about him.

LilaTheTiger · 13/03/2016 14:06

As an aside. DP has no children but is ace with my two. I can't have any more. He said he had already realised that meeting someone now, with kids or without, probably meant none for him, so he was at peace with that decision. That was a huge relief to me, and it was a while into our relationship that I asked.

Lots of men aren't daft Smile

Somerville · 13/03/2016 16:25

Lovely man did a great time in his half marathon despite my bad influence drinking too much on Friday. He texted me within minutes of finishing Smile And he's sent me a friend request on FB Smile So now I can see a new pic of him and a (male) friend doing that we're victorious side-on man hug thing and Lovely is all flushed and sexy sweaty. Grin GOD.

Babyinthacorner- I'm loving all these heartwarming stories, thank you. I don't think your mum would want you to feel sad about what she went through but it's probably inevitable. I'm glad she found happiness again and that your step dad has been a positive in your life as well as hers.

Lila- Awww, you found a real keeper. I am keeping the chaste dating (it scans nicely, like a title of a self-help book) firmly in mind for if things progress here.

Cab I took your request for a quick update advice and suggested Tues. He was v apologetic - he has a latish work meeting but can be here for 8.30. So I said maybe Thurs instead and he said he could be here as early as I can make it on Thurs, and I felt Smile. And then he rang back one min later to say we could do late tues for a few hours and then thurs? So now I'm feeling Grin Grin Grin

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LotsofDots · 13/03/2016 16:49

He seems great! Nice and straightforward and not trying to play games, which sounds exactly what is needed.

Looking forward to Tuesday AND Thursday for you!

Somerville · 13/03/2016 17:17

Dots, thanks for that. I have zero personal experience of being messed around by someone I'm involved with romantically, so I'm trying to look hard for bullshit whilst not entirely sure I'd recognise it. This feels very sincere so far. Like it did with DH. (Though I met DH sooo long ago that maybe I'm rear-projecting.) But yeah, I can't detect any game playing. He's still being lovely to me.

I know he likes me. I know I like him. Thats enough for now. And it feels good. Smile

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Goingtobeawesome · 13/03/2016 18:44

You're showing off now! You've got the next Not a Date lined up AND the one after that GrinGrin.

wordassociationfootball · 13/03/2016 19:58

He seems utterly genuine and utterly smitten Grin

TheSnowFairy · 13/03/2016 20:39

LTB

(Loving That Bloke Grin)

WellWhoKnowsTrolls · 13/03/2016 23:08
Somerville · 14/03/2016 12:03

Goingtobe - Grin I'm sorry not really

wordassoc - You might have a mind like DSis (that's not entirely a compliment BTW Grin) - her code for teasing asking me about him when the DC are in the house is SK (smitten kitten).

SnowFairy - Grin Grin Grin

WellWho - ooooh the lovely little brackets are back

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Goingtobeawesome · 14/03/2016 12:14

Grin.

diggerdigsdogs · 14/03/2016 13:02

Blush also place marking.

I do hope OP that everyone on this thread, myself included, isn't putting any pressure on some kind of magic happy ever after. I mean that nicely (and can't figure out a way for that not to sound like a mean bubble burst).

I think it's great that he's so keen to come visit twice!

Dungandbother · 14/03/2016 14:38

Somer

Personal question and I know that it's an individual thing.

When you became a widow, did you always think I will find someone else? Or was that a gradual maybe one day feeling that grew as your grief withdrew ?
Or was it I saw this lovely man and Whoa I fancy him? Like a slap across the head?

If you had 'noticed' someone else early in (less than 6 months) would
you have felt OK about that? Or judged yourself harshly?

I'm attempting reverse psychology for myself. Sorry to be so personal !

Somerville · 14/03/2016 16:24

Dungandbother
A bit of the first and the third, I guess? Even when right in the middle of everything that happened, I knew I didn't want to be alone forever, and deep down I assumed I'd meet someone else some day, though I didn't spend any time consciously thinking about it. I remember feeling a bit offended when other people brought it up, like it was being unfaithful to DH's memory, but whilst still somehow also feeling that it would happen one day. Confused When I consciously thought about having someone else in my life, though, was very much only when I got the slap around the head you mention, and realised I fancied the lovely man I was talking to. That feeling really shocked me. And I can't be certain, but I don't think I'd have had that reaction to him if we hadn't already connected in our emails.

If I'd been attracted to someone earlier on..? I know if have judged myself and felt it was too soon at some level because I also feel that now . But I suspect this is more because it's the first man I've liked since DH, rather than the time that's passed, IYSWIM?

I don't think I'm being very helpful. I'm sorry. Feel free to PM me.

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grobagsforever · 14/03/2016 17:02

Oh Somerville so happy for you! 16 months is definitely plenty of time - I started dating at 13 months and met current lovely boyfriend 1 month later. I'll add to your response to dugandbear if I may. I knew very early on that wanted to meet someone one day although the actual thought of it made me feel sick. Around 11 months in I realised I was attracted to a friend and whilst that didn't work out it was a good sign for me that I felt that way and hence after I'd got the one year anniversary thing done I started OLD.

Also whoever it was up thread who said the logistics and complications weeds ppl not worth bothering with is right. Boyfriend and I spend a fair amount of time and money so we can see each for a couple of times a week - we both have children and demanding jobs so we have to make the effort to fit each other in. Everyone interesting comes with complications! :-)

Somerville · 14/03/2016 18:08

Everyone interesting comes with complications! - I might take this as my mantra, grobags Smile I am filled with admiration for you successfully doing OLD. OLD fills me with horror, but then again it wasn't even a thing when I was last single Confused

I've thought about it some more Dungandbother and my theory is that if I'd met lovely man before we were working together and I knew there was this (indefinable but vivid) connection I reckon I would have seen he was attractive-to-me (I have vaguely noticed that about actors on the Good Wife a few men since losing DH) but in a purely observational way, rather than feeling the attraction. Or maybe I only think he's so attractive because I like him so much as a person.

digger I don't feel any pressure as I know MN is either LTB or 'let me buy a hat' Grin But I do feel a bit guilty about the place marking when I don't have an update. Here have some of these instead Wine Cake Chocolate

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Dungandbother · 14/03/2016 20:49

Thank you somer


I really appreciate your reply. It's helpful!


I'm not a widower, but a terribly hurt and broken hearted almost divorcee. Of a very long and trusting relationship. I've been working through the many shapes of grief too.


I don't look at men and fancy them. I haven't fancied anyone in 3 years since my ex tore my heart out. (Well one but not seriously and he wasn't available).


But I saw a man and I really fancy him. But he is a widower. I can't see how I could ever approach him. And I don't cross paths with him. There's one mutual friend but it still doesn't seem right.

I'm happy to see what happens. For a while!!