D'y ever wonder if FrumpyGrumpy's holidays will EVER end?

[MarsLady]

Oh and no pooter there!!!!!

Hey tigs, how's your love life? [innocent]

Pazza, so, your head is a little left of the middle and its only NOW you tell us???!!!! We are here for the good, the bad, the ugly and the in between my love. It might pass now you've stopped taking that pill. It might not. Keep talking. If you need scraped off the ceiling, thats what we do best. I have been, many times, scraped off the ceiling by MN. And now I am even comfortable with that. I read a great book after I had DD1. I earlier promised it to Shabs for her Em. Its called "At Home No-one Hears You Scream by Cara Aitken". I didn't want to admit to myself that I wasn't feeling good. I bought it because the title made sense to me. Its a series of case studies and it was a relief to read it. I did nothing after reading it. I still hid myself and also hid from myself. But it did help set me forth at the beginning of a road to feeling more like myself and like the person I deserve to be.

I could pop it in the post to you.......and when you are done you could pop it in the post to Shabs.....

[email protected] if you want to send me your address xxx.

Pazzerina! My twopence for what it's worth: Don't feel bad about feeling bad! It just makes you feel worserer.

And you don't even have to call it hormones, it can just be emotionally blardy drained, sucked dry, emptied... also known as the fear of looking down. (Pixi's thing about there being no-one else to pick up the babies pieces if you drop them, Pixi you feeling any better?)

Also bringing twins to term knocks out loads of nutrients, omega oils, sugar and spice and everything else that little girls are made of. I think it takes a couple of years to get back from that, not based on science but just my personal gut feeling, but then I'm just a loon, so who knows?

Actually I have to admit that you were freaking me out a bit at the beginning with all the happy stuff - I never had this baby-moon thing that you were describing, just felt an ever-present low-level of never-stopping anxiety. I didn't get this instant bonding thing. They're 18 months old and I'm still growing to love them more and more than I did in the beginning. The beginning is just the beginning, but it's not the end of the story if that's not too loony)

Oh sorry, you got the whole lot. Oops.

Great post accordion

Interesting thoughts about bringing twins to term.........do you have any science to back that up? I went to 41 weeks and i'd LOVE to blaime that for my f*edupness

Blame it then, blame it!

Does that mean I'm entitled to four weeks less grumpiness than you then, since I only went to 37.

(no science I'm afraid, although a nutritionist friend did once give me the omega oils talk, and told me lots of things that you can get in indian shops to help you get your memory back, only I've forgotton what they are )

PMSL about the oils!!!!

And....gwan.....have an extra couple of weeks grumpiness on me

HELP!!!!!

DP is sitting next to me and wants in.......

AG - that means I can also have 37+5 of f*ed upness too please? I like the theory.
(ponders whether Hagen Daas has 'oils' in it. Surmises that it contains nuts, praline & cream, therefore it must be a health food as they sell nuts in Holland & Barratt.)

welcome back frumpy

I did 38 weeks and need to blame something other than current pregnancy hormones

oooh thank you!

And I don't mean DP wants in me. I mean he wants in. Here. To oor wee hoose.

Somebody!!!! Anybody!!!!! Save me, save me!!!!

He can sleep in the kennel. And Hagan Daas is a positive oil spill.

Oh and who am I kidding that the ever-present doodah anxiety goes away...?

no it's really really nice that you had a good time... A good start.

Frumpster I have missed you soooooooooooooooooo much. Right girls living room complete, kitchen complete. Ready to move in.....going to paper both bedrooms when we move in. Feeling much better about the whole thing.

Em stayed at her mums last night yes it terrified me at first. I talked to her today and she said 'Honestly I am not depressed, I am so in love with Danny and Lewis. I keep having awful panick attacks (she has always had them but they are much worse) last night Lewis just cried for a feed I looked at him and just thought I hope I am doing this right and then a massive, massive panick attack took over me. I wanted my mum so Danny got up saw to Lew and took me to my Mums. We sat and talked till the early hours and then Danny went home and my Mum cuddled me all night. - I am in awe of you and my mum cause you are so good with Lew '

She has only seen her midwife 3 times and health visitor once in the 6 weeks of Lewis' life. Home after 2 days from hospital and then virtually no aftercare.

Oh please God let the medical team help my lovely, lovely Daughter. I have panick attacks that are only managed by beta blockers so I know how she feels.

Night night my friends, see you in the morning xx

Morning girls - and so begins another day of chaos!!

FG is back

Must catch up.

Have been cleaning all morning, kids gone and B is asleep. I am sooooo bored already

Am mad, should be sat on arse with coffe and croissants. May pop to waitrose when the boy wakes up ans start the morning again. Will just clean 2nd floor, 3rd can wait till tomorrow

You mad woman!!!! House quiet and clean?...... I'd be sleeping Get paper, get croissants, show arse a seat. Immediately!

Shabster, we have got to get Em feeling empowered. It is no good her feeling in awe of other people. That will be a never ending spiral of feeling like she's not doing it good enough. I know. I have spent the best part of 35 years feeling like that.

And I felt like that when I had my babies and I felt my mum could do it better and I felt needy. She didn't break that cycle for me, because (and I feel disloyal saying it) I think she enjoyed being needed by me and now I am breaking it for myself. I am finally shaking myself out. It has made me unhappy for a long time and finally I want to and will break out. I don't want your lovely Em to waste so many years feeling like that.

I remember one day after I had DD1, she'd been crying all morning and I didn't know what was wrong and I couldn't soothe her (tried everything). My mum came in around lunchtime and took her. She instantly fell asleep and my mum said "there, look, she just needed a sleep, shall I pop her in the moses basket". It made me feel totally useless. I am angry about it/my mum now but then I just thought I was useless and she knew everything.

We need to find a way she can grow her self esteem and her confidence. She grew Lewis, she gave birth to him, she is the only mummy he will ever have, there is no right and no wrong. The decisions she makes for him are the right ones.

Missed you too pinkfrog x. Now, go slap on your dungarees and get a wiggle on. And for heaven's sake, don't pack nine years worth of stuff. Shed lots!!! Only pack three years worth

Kale Mera my lovely. I keep telling Em how I felt after my DT's were born. I have told her how I had them by the scruff of the babygro's at 6 weeks and wanted someone to adopt them. How I felt useless, unable to look after them. How I couldn't cope with all the hospital visits for Gareth - all the emergency ambulance visits in the middle of the night. She was shocked when she knew how I felt.

Told her how I still felt that way when I had Tomster and my 41st birthday was fast approaching.

As soon as we are unpacked and up and running I am going to go and see her everyday. We will conquer this Em and Dan are the only people who Lew really smiles at - you know the smile that lights up a babies eyes and the smile that lingers for minute after minute.

As a family we will do this. Her check up is this Tuesday (I think) and Dan is going with her and has a list of questions

Re: Packing - dont worry Frumpster I have already thrown 20 massive bin bags of crap out.....I travel light.

You're ace pinkfrog. She's going to crack this x.