D'y ever wonder if FrumpyGrumpy's holidays will EVER end?

[MarsLady]

Hi,
An ok day, I think! Took the kids to the pool, cost me a fortune! What news of little Beth Shabs! H just bawled at the boys, they talk talk talk, really need a 5 bed house! Night night all xxx

Evening girls - I feel sick I am so tired.

Beth is sedated, on a ventilator and in intensive care. The outlook for her has always been bleak, but I rang Shelley this afternoon at the hospital and they put me through.

Me: Hiya darling are you OK?

Shell: Fine thanks Auntie Shabbs

Me: Are you really fine?

Shell: NO Auntie Shabbs I am shite. (said with a sob in her voice)

Dan, Em and Lew - Oh Trips I will try to email you tomorrow. They have sorted a lot out today. When Dan found out about Beth he changed instantly. I told him he has to stop dithering about and worrying about upseting people and tell them what he wants from them. Spent the afternoon with Lewis - omg he is so like Gareth I have to hide my feelings. I am so tired xx

I have to go to bed.....millions of thoughts running round in my mind.

Thank you, everybody, for all your thoughts and opinions and best wishes.......dont know what I did before Trips told me about MN.

No doubt, very early tomorrow, I will be back.

Trips - sagapo, I love you, see you tomorrow.

Sagapo Shabs, you are special xxxx

Torture, I could see you all but coudn't post for some reason. It was like sitting knocking on a door hoping someone inside the party will hear you

Shabs, sleep tight, breathe out and tomorrow is a new day xxxxxx.

Trips, hows the washine machine?

LG&T, hullo!

Ooogs, I think I love you. You always compliment me

Home! Twin birth done. Ended up as a c-birth due to failed induction!

Chat later!

no history of prem at all. DD was term. I reckon they are just offering the trial to all mums preg with muliples that come through their door. My friend had both her kids 8 weeks early so she reckons I should go for it as she knows how hard it is having a prem baby in intensive care. I suppose if it doesn't work then it doesn't work but there is no harm in trying......is there? I really don't know what to do.

Excuse me for saying this but I'm fannyphobic so the thought of the procedure is a bit daunting and what if it causes more harm than good? Can you tell that I can't make my ming up! hee hee

Morning girls xx

oops - I mean mind up!!!!

pop, PMSL at ming! I'm of the LG&T school of thought.......if it ain't broke don't fix it. I'd be happier letting nature do what nature does and dealing with the premature bit if it happened to come along. It is a common misconception that ALL twins are premature. Loads and loads are not.

Morning Shabs, how does today look?

It is peeing down here. We're off for a walk in the rain and then DD1 has a friend coming. How much do I wish I could curl up on the couch, read and watch the rain. I love summer rain. (Just don't want TOO much of it.)

Mars, have they all popped out now? Can you put your head back on?

I don't think this is going to work, it says it might not

Yeah, walking in the rain........

Goodmorning ladies,
I am busy on here whilst all three are sat at the table reading, a book a week is my goal, and we have just practised xs tables.....they just lurrrrrrrrrrrrve me Just tried machine again and no horrid noise, so fingers xd!
Shabs, hope everything is settling down, anxious for you all. Please keep us posted about Beth, poor little sweetheart xx
Weather is ok, so thinking of what to do with them this afternoon, trouble is it all costs! Took Beeca to town yesterday, clothes and nail varnish, £14. Took boys and their friend swimming, £11. Its almost cheaper to go away! Anyway, better get on or they will tell on me!

Morning Frumpster - I love that song - they are local lads 10cc although I think they are from posh Cheshire!!

Today looks - I dont know to be honest. Told Dan to ring me if he couldn't get Emma back in there house. She says she cant go back in because if she does 'she will die???????' ...and the doctor and HV reckon she doesnt have PND - MY ARSE. He hasn't rung so I am hoping no news is good news.

Enjoy your babies while they are little girls....the problems change from teething, not sleeping etc etc to relationship problems when they are older. I cant bear to see my almost 6ft 26 year old sobbing whilst holding his firstborn and hugging me

Right Miss Rigbys face firmly pinned on and bog roll in case of stray tears and lets get up and at 'em!!

10cc has stirred up a lovely memory. On my first date with a certain Scots( I believe he really was the love of my life) we sat in a pub in Deal and our eyes just locked, 10cc were playing in the back ground, I`m not in love".......oh the passion I felt that night

Hope DH never ever gets on here

shabs,i agree it is so hard when your adult children have problems.I too am havin a few difficulties regarding my dd.It is awful when they sob like their heart will break.All we can do is to be there to cuddle them and mop up their tears.

Shabs poor Em, saying things like that seem a bit Puerperal psychosis to me. She should maybe see another HV. Bless her and you with all the worrying. I hope little Beth stabilises soon too.

Pops fiddling round down there unless necessary is never a good idea, when i went in to prem labour with mine (3 pregnancies out of 5) they wont examine you for fear of disturbing it. I say leave alone. The babies will stay put till term and you will be fine. Have faith.

Prem babies is an awful thing to go through but really it is quite rare. I am a do too much person and lesson learb=nt i will be sat on my arse at 29 weeks with this one! Incidentally the last 2 tried and failed to come out at 32 weeks. The little blighters were 2 weeks and 10 days late in the end!!!

Mars how goes it?

FG curl up anyhoo

Shabs I think that Dan needs to talk to the doctor and/or health visitor and ask them to explain exactly how panic attacks aren't a sympton of PND. I think she's getting pretty shoddy treatment. I think as well he should have a word with the hv's manager.

Life good but exhausting!

Dan has made an appointment and told the receptionist that he is going in with Ems. They cant see her till Thursday. He is writing down all his questions and her symptoms as we speak I knew something was wrong because she wouldnt have her picture taken with the baby, she hasn't got any printed pictures of him, they are all on the computer. She couldn't eat for weeks and she normally eats like a horse. I couldn't get her out of the house and now she doesn't want to go back in it etc etc.

She was in labour for 8 hours in their house and told to go home once by the hospital because it was 'only her waters breaking'. By the time she got to the hospital she was 8cms. Em will admit herself she is a 'softie' with pain or anything medical so she had done amazing well. She said just before they went to the hospital the pain got so bad she thought she would die. I am wondering if that is the connection she is making with going back to live there?

My son has his 'bossy, sorting out, organising' head on now and he can move mountains when that happens.

Please everyone keep everything crossed for them.

I know it is about money and budgets but the midwifery department at our hospital is truly crap.

Shabs, keep remembering that book I told you about. It really would help show Dan and Em that PND has all manner of symptoms and all ways of showing its ugly head. It is based on case studies of totally different women in totally different situations.

The good thing is the chapters are fairly short and so easy to pick up and put down (PND can leave you feeling so unable to concentrate that you can't cope with thinking about too much. I sometimes felt my head was bursting full with nothing.)

Even if Em isn't ready to read it, it might benefit Dan. IIRC, there is a section from a partner explaining how he felt.

Pazza has it and I think she's read it.

Dan needs to fight this corner. No one can make Em see life differently but he alone has the right to push for what he believes in. What we don't want is for Em to feel like everyone is ganging up on her. If its Dan alone talking to her, I think that talking she might feel less overwhelmed.

Shabs, I'm not sure its anything to do with the house/labour. FWIW, I personally, felt my hormones were smashed to smithereens and it took them a year to 18 months to begin feeling normal.

Keep posting sweetheart xxx.

And if he doesn't like what he hears from the doctor/HV, see another one. Keep changing until he finds one he likes.

I re read my post and realise it might sound like I meant don't talk to the doc, of course, I mean DO.

I know I go on and on about this damn book but I truly feel that it helps take away the 'alone' feeling of PND. It can feel so scary and you can feel like a freak and so alone. Like no one understands. When I read it, at the time I felt so awful, it made me feel comforted. It made me feel like I knew I would be ok.

I don't want Em to feel as bad as I did for so long. If there is one thing I learned, its that I should have fought harder, earlier. For myself.

Dan and Em took Lew to the clinic today for his check up and to be weighed. He's 10lbs 4ounces by the way!.

The HV looked up from her room and shouted 'Danny, Danny how's your mum?'
She was Danny, Gareth and Matthews HV!!! She spoke to them both for over an hour. Ems rang me and told me all about it - I was so relieved to hear her voice I could have cried.

They have been today and put their names on the council house register. They just re-mortgaged and quite simply wouldn't be able to afford to move yet. Dan thought it might help if they had another option. He has also managed to get Em back in their house and they are having a good talk. I know it is only the beginning of a long road BUT she is home. She has been 100% better since Danny started telling her what he wanted.

She sounded so much better when she was telling me about the HV. She said 'HV says Lew is perfect, gaining weight etc etc and that anytime I need to talk to her or see her she is here for me.'

I asked Gareth and Matt to help last night and today along pops their much loved HV. A miracle????? I havent seen her since a few weeks after Matt was killed in 1992. All the boys adored her and she was so kind to them.

All will be well....All WILL be well?????

Shabs, all WILL be well. It really will.

And remember that PND makes you go up and down. Em may be on a little up. The downs can come again just as fast and leave you feeling worse than ever because you feel you thought you had conquered something and then realise you haven't. I'm not trying to rain on your parade, but, if it is PND, its not going to be straightforward.

It is a seesaw.

pops - my twins needed encouraging out at 38 weeks and they were huge - I opted for induction then due to my poor health (asthma & back) just pointing out again that twins are always early (or small)

shabs - that is a result and a move in the right direction

fg - you just always seem to say the right thing (bugger don it again!)