"D'y ever wonder what Paolo would look like in my shower?" <<because I do>> For FG xxx

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How are the pox today HM???

ooh lg, wonder if he was related to the last one we had, I posted about it further down 'By Dave1978 on Thu 22-Feb-07 10:03:51'. I had to buy nuggets and chips especially for that little bugger. I don't think you are mean at all, I'm not having her back!

mars, how are the pixi family doing? Doris would like to know.
Has she got any more help yet, or anything for the reflux?

Doris seems well, jsut busy with everything. Hers have had the squits too. There seems to be so much goign around.

Morning all...just popping in to say Hi and Bye as off for the weekend to see friends in Solihull (with kids.....). Just trying to occupy the DTs whilst I pack all our worldly goods up to leave after lunch. of course DH was nowhere in sight when I started packing and has dared to go off to WORK!! I dont know, anyone would think he has to earn a crust for us.

Can hear the workmen hammering away on my roof....just off out to ask them if they want a cuppa, better slip on my miniskirt, sussies and heels before I go outside. Wish me luck!

Grr.

Had the inevitable talk this morning with nursery teacher about dt2 and his 'development'. I knew it would come sooner or later but I've been lazy in putting it off. He's 3.6 and hardly talks and doesn't like to do what the other children do so tends to wander off alone and do his own thing.

The reason I've been putting it off and not too concerned is because he's so flipping clever. Even without speech, he manages to communicate and often picks things up quicker than dt1 who talks constantly and therefore doesn't listen! I actually admire him in so many ways because he has such a go-getter attitude. He doesn't see obstacles, he sees challenges and won't give up until he's achieved it. When its a jigsaw, thats great; when its how to reach the lightswitch so he can trash his room after we've put them to bed, it's not so great.

Also, I had speech therapy for ds1 and it seemed to involve a lot of to-ing and fro-ing, rearranging schedules and organising babysitters for the other two, and I'm not sure how much difference it made. I think in the end, he just caught up naturally.

So, I know I'm very naughty to be dragging my heels on this one, but you know when you just can't be bothered with the hassle....

A quick one before I grab some sleep!

FG, I had several nights of absolutely no sleep at all. I decided the babies are not settling in the evening and at night as they are too tired to feed properly, fall asleep but wake up 5 mins later still hungry, it ends up being endless, frustrating, exhausting and boring! Last night when I was totally fed up of it i gave them some EBM which seemed to be quite sucessful, they both settled and slept for a couple of hours. Same in teh middle of the night when I had been up too long to stay sane trying to settle them. If anyone thinks this is a bad idea please let me know. I want to keep giving myself the best chance of continuing BFing for as long as possible!

Right off to bed! Sorry haven't caught up with everyone. Hope you are all doing well.

Hi Leo, I also find mine drink (and therefore sleep) better after a feed from a bottle at night. Mine would fall asleep within minutes of start of feed and would then wake up as soon as I put them down. Guess they just feel so warm and comfortable against the breast they can't concentrate on the job.

We are up and down depending on the day. DT1 seemed to be doing really well but woke up Weds morning looking really pale again and spent the rest of the day vomitting up her feeds. Stopped the formula and have just been breast feeding her since and her colour has come back and she's been keeping it in. Only real problem is that my supply has diminished so she gets frustrated, but I think not having her belly so full may also stop her from being so sick. Also she wants to drink from both sides as there's not enough from one side to satisfy her and then I don't know what to do about DT2....?
So having a nightmare where one is having formula and one breast milk which is making me feel really evil. Ideas for keeping everyone happy please?
Apart from that I'm feeling really happy in general. And loving the twins and how different they are (and yet similar too). They're growing so fast and the time seems to just be whizzing by. Such a change from when I had my first and everyday seemed to drag by.
Can't imagine just having the one now. It's wonderful to hear DS1 and DD1 telling the twins how much they love them and listening to them singing them songs to stop them crying etc.
In fact I'm sure one day I'm going to want more. But then you just have to see the size of my bum to know I'm greedy!

Kelly-I'm so glad your ds got a diagnosis, should get SS off your back finally.
HM-Have fun this weekend.
Doris-Where are you?
Mars-have fun tomorrow night. Posted on chat about move but no replies as yet. See you in next week or so, set me a new cooking challenge for before then.
FG are you feeling brighter now? I'm sorry I didn't get a chance to post when you were feeling down. You're always there for everyone who needs a friendly word.

Hi to everyone else. Oh both decided to scream at same time I'm off again.

Pixi, thats a lovely thing to say, thank you .....when I'm not falling to bits or drunk

Pixi I never managed to b/feed two together (only once and I wasn't that successful) but I wonder if that would help you. It would maybe help your milk supply and help both babies get a decent whack at it.

For Leo and Pixi, FWIW, I always bottle fed in the night. DP was away a fair bit and it meant when he was home I sometimes slept for 3/4 hours solid, like a zombie, and he did both feeds. I had very different sleepers and and feeders and it just didn't work for me to wake one to feed. Bottles helped me and, although I was sad not to b/f for as long as I did DD, I just applied the "whatever gets you through" rule. Its such a difficult time that you need to do whatever it takes to meet their need AND your own. Don't feel guilty for anything. Its survival for all at this time.

Now why can't I work out to put a pic up of the boys for you all??

Just popping in because it's been sooooo looooong and I've missed you all and I've been soooo busy and babies and work and child and school and husband at home and washing and nappies and washing and feeding and washing and baby rice and washing...

Get the impression I have a lot of washing at the moment? Sickness and diarrohea swept through the house last week, except, of course, me cos mums don't get ill, do they?

Someone tell me how to do pictures... again... sorry

Now I'll read a bit to see how everyone is. xx

Oooh breastfeeding, one of my favourite subjects! I always waked both boys and fed them at the same time - I've got an E-Z-2 Nurse Twins cusions (get them on 2became4.co.uk) which is superb (Pixi you saw mine) and I find that using that I can actually fall asleep while feeding if I'm utterly exhausted. I've also started giving a bottle for their mid afternoon feed so I can go out on the off chance that someone ever offered to look after them. I had a salsa class to go to one Saturday afternoon - quite a mind clearer! Now got a salsa party to go to in April so have to give up the 11pm feed next (hmm, now why did I start weaning??)

That's just my stuff, but as FG says, you've got to do what gets you through. Everything's right if it suits you!

And eat for England (or Switzerland)! Otherwise you get too exhausted which does you no good at all. And drink! Drink!

Now I'm going to see what else you've all been talking about....

Leo - I have a friend in deepest Devonia who gives her baby EBM at 11pm feed which gets him through the night. She reckons it's because it's not such hard work so he gets more and therefore sleeps longer. Worth a try. I could never be bothered to express during the day so haven't ever done it, but then I use dummies and the boys have mostly slept well enough for me to also catch enough.

Hmm. Got about 3 posts down now. What more can I catch up on?? I'm sorry if this is really annoying for everyone else.

Eeeeek! Charleymouse, your iron levels aren't low! You're just pregnant! Anywhere between 9.5 and 10.5 for the Hb is fine.The MCV should be above 84 from what I remember, and if it is then you're OK. Go to the Association of Independent Midwives web archives and read up on it there. There's some really good research about iron levels. I printed it off and took it with me to see obs/midwives, etc. Basically it's that you've more plasma in your blood so the iron levels look lower, but actually are OK. And ever wondered why iron levels drop for pregnant women? Perhaps because they're supposed to??

Good to see you Doris! We miss you too!

Keep up the good work Leo.

Pixi.... just offer big boy DT the breast as well. Remember that you are re-establishing your supply. It will come. It was good seeing you. Going to make the curried quorn mince thing for my lot this week. Will give some thought to what else you can cook.

Estar... DT2 is just like your DT. DT1 does all the talking for him and so he is behind. Bright as a button though. I'm not too worried.... either that or I'm too lazy.

Did I tell you all that DS1 was mugged last week? I was so proud of him. I have drummed into him that the only thing that I can't replace is him and so if they demand his phone etc he's to give it to them. He put his pin in his phone wrong 3 times to block it, clever boy. He handed it over without a fuss. Turns out (found out today) that his mate was mugged at the top of the hill just before DS1 was mugged by the same group at the bottom of the hill. They also mugged at least 2 other boys. It seems that they get £20 per handset which is sold abroad where it makes no odds if they've been blocked because blocking doesn't work overseas. All I can say is thank goodness for insurance. Got DS a new phone instantly. Bast*rds!

Thanks for the tips girls! We had a much better night last night, Leo was easy to settle after each feed and we resorted to ebm in the early hours of the morning when I had been trying to settle him for a couple of hours! Once they can both sleep from 7/8 until 11 I will start doing an 11pm feed - its in my plan, but at the moment it seems pointless to wake them then when they are often only just settling then.

Great to hear from you Doris, I noticed its been a while!
Pixi, I also read your very positive posts. Yesterday I was out in the village playground, it seems that every other mother and child in the village was also there. Lots of them asked me how it is going with that sympathetic look on their face. Actually with the DTs its going great, I am loving (almost) every minute of it. Its ds that I struggle with! a neighbour came to the playground with me to watch him, I lost sight of them at some point and ages later saw him dragging her back from teh other side of the village. Every other child is happy on the swings, slides and sandpit, not my boy , he is always looking for adventure and action!

Mars that your ds got mugged and very, very , I really don't understand why kids think its ok to mug people, how do they justify it to themselves. Anyway, glad to hear he is ok.

I forgot to say that the DTs both have conjunctivitis at the moment, its been going around, dh and ds had it (but of course not mummy :O!). I've been cleaning the eyes with sterile saline (from the little tubes that you squirt up blocked noses). Is this OK or should we take them to the doctor?

Drop some of your breastmilk on their eyes babe. Full of antibodies and great for conjunctivitis!

aww that is awful mars, so glad he is ok though.

agree with the breastmilk, works wonders. I actually kept some of mine in the freezer forages after I stopped in case of eye infections.

Aha, yes, I had forgotten that ! thanks!

Oh someone explain to me who Paolo is and what the thread title means, please? I keep seeing it in active convos and wondering. TIA.

Paolo is Paolo Nutini and this ongoing thread was named in his honour after SOME people spent more time talking about him than the original topic 'D'ya ever wonder how life carried on and on...'

We seem to have reverted back to discussing twins and other multiples now tho, so its safe to come back on

thanks estar, who is Paolo nutini?

he doesn't do it for everyone but my nipples have been like toothpaste caps since my ears first heard his gritty, passionate, oil-on-water voice

Mars, thats shitty to do that to your poor boy. I'm right with you there, nothing is important, give it all away and stay in one piece. Was he shaken? OK now?

Thank you fg, no, he doesn't do it for me either but each to his own!