d'ya every wonder how life carried on and on and on.....

[Kelly1978]

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Too much waffling, you know who you are

I jsut wanted to psot to say good luck hm, hope you can hold out, but it really sounds like things are moving. Jsut think you could be cuddled upw ith your baby by tomorrow morning!

Glad to hear dt2 is better, fg.

our fg is lovely.

my boys are here The most recent I have - taken today while dd's nativity was on!

Doris - You really are superwoman. I'd love to see you so if you have time to pop in that would be fab. I'll email you my address and phone number. We could always invite Mars so she doesn't get jealous.

Mars - your children really are absolutely gorgeous. DH had already told me how cute they are.

Largegin good to hear you had a wonderful time at the ball.

HM I struggled getting out of the house with two when DD was born so I sympathise. I just keep telling myself life will get easier (in a Paul McKenna type voice).

Kelly give in to the tree (not the ciggies). Seriously though I'm thinking of you and sending happy thoughts.

I'm struggling to decorate the house this year so DH (the Grinch) has been putting up one or two a day. So far we have 10 things hanging from the ceiling.

Is it normal to feel so in denial about having twins just before you're about to have them? I feel so unprepared for two. One I could handle but two-I have no idea how you hold two babies at once, let alone how to get them from room to room. And how will I ever manage to have a wee, or answer the door or make a cup of tea when the older kids are still too young to leave alone with the babies and my house is so badly designed that doing anything involves traisping up and down a dozen stairs.

piximon I felt exactly the same before I had mine, and I reckon so did most of the musm here. Then they come, and you just get on with it. You do learn how to pick up two at once, and you find ways around everything else. I've always left babies stayed put and dragged the others aroudn with me. But with twins you don't get chance to get a drink let alone need the loo
One thing I did learn tho, was go to the loo before I left the house and then NEVER drink a thing in public, there are never toilets big enough to fit a twin buggy in. I still struggle even now.

Kelly they are so cute. DS is so used to seeing himself on my pc he asked "is that two of me?"

Actually today I foudn someone to watch them for a min, an elderly lady who had emigrated from the west indies somewhere I guess (from her accent). She used to be a midwife and had delivered over 500 babies right up until they emigrated a few years ago. 500 I still can't imagine that!

Hello darlings!

V quick cos I've got friends downstairs cooking me dinner and answering small boy calls! Be rude to leave them too long... and the bread's just ready and I have to eat some while still warm.

Pixi - it would be fab to see you AND Mars! I'm coming up next Monday, and will be leaving Weds night. So Tues or Wed day would be great if that suits you both.

Kelly - good for eating! last I heard was the lack of your eating, so that's really cool... sorry if I'm a bit behind!

Now if I get time I PROMISE I'll do the birth later. It was sooo weird! And wonderful!

Hohoho... feeling festive!

Oops - Kelly your boys are yummy! And I've taken you up on your offer to do offspring photos - hope you don't mind. Thank you v.v.v.

It is amazing how quickly you learn to pick up two babies at the same time. DH says he has nightmares about me dropping them whilst walking or feeding them ( I sometimes have a little dozy sleep while they're munching). But HE'S HOME IN TWO WEEKS' TIME!!! FOREVER!!! Hurrah! Hurrah! Though I'm a little worried it might mean I lose my sisterhood help which won't be a good thing.

Must go eat bread! And be polite!

Ooh what suits you Pixi? I'm reasonably sure I can do either day!

We'll get to meet the boys! Hmmmmmmmmm wonder if I dare trek across town with the DTs................ oh dear Lord!

Doris - I can't believe you are so calm and together with 2 babies and a small child to look after you! I think we should all give Mars a break and bow down to you for a little bit instead!
I've got the baby secrets book and going to give it a go! Glad to hear its working for you!
Also can't wait to hear about the birth!
Have you see the Julie Tupler 'Get rid of your mummy tummy' book, she has a good exercise for pulling the stomach muscles together again.

Piximon, same panic fears here and.... I have to keep reminding myself to talk in plural and not singular when I talk about the babies! Sat feeling a bit stunned when I saw my friend on Monday (with the 2 week old baby) and thinking that I will have 2 of them!

Mars and Kelly, beautiful, beautiful babies! I could fall in love with them all just looking at the pictures!

And where are all your photos?

C'mon........ I wanna see! I wanna see! (even if their clothes aren't clean and don't fit!) lol

doris' babies are soooo cute! Doris, do you want me to post both piccies? Will put them up for 24 hours when I get your say so.
It;'s making me so broody, I wish mine were still that small - so much easier too! My maniacs screamed all the way through the nativity (parked outside in their pram) and I was certain that everyone was glaring at me. A lovely lady came up to me afterwards though and said how good I was with them though, for not giving in to their screaming. Maybe I am paranoid! It made my fay though, because they are such a handful I'm always worrying what people think when I'm out with them.

Leo - I kept reminding myself that I was talking about the pregnancy when I spoke singular! So it was OK. Not sure who I was fooling though, but I know what you mean! Have you read Baby Secrets yet? It seems quite reasonable (in a maternity nurse kind of way), and it's certainly worked for us. The worst thing that I've found about having new babies, and two at that, is the way that I find I now act with DD. I have much less time with her (obviously) and my temper is much shorter. A friend reminded me last week that she is still only 4... just after I'd carted her off to bed because she'd just produced the camel's last straw during teeth cleaning. A salutory lesson and I've behaved better since then. I think I expect much more of her than I thought I did, and I have high expectations anyway, poor child.

Oh heck, the Dribbler has a hurty tummy and needs me - back shortly!

Kelly, tell me do, where can I find morningpapers round up about our pubic hair discussion? Was it the chat about whether to brazilian or braid?

Pixi, I had these concerns too. I guess its because you realise there is a brand new learning curve to dance around and not that many people who truly understand. Things that people don't often think about.......I loved carrying my DD with me, didn't use my buggy that much. We would chat and be close and giggle. Then with the DTs I had to have them in the buggy constantly and I missed the closeness and the quickness of jumping out the car and carrying your babe. I understand your fears, but like Kelly said, when they come you do learn quickly about what works for you and what doesn't. It isn't plain sailing but rest assured thats where we come in. We can empathise and suggest and remind you that you are human and doing your best and that is good enough. Then I will encourage you to eat and drink through the rough bits and you'll come out the other end even more wonderful than before, just with a slightly squint face .

I am feeling very tired and I can't type more even though I want to, peaceful sleeps all.

Mars, I found a White Company catalogue today. It has pictures of happy children in clean clothes in it. Thats my kids! All the ones that aren't bickering and don't have Play Doh hair.

(I can't post my pics, I am too terrified of being identified, although I have so many personal details on here that anyone that knows me could see me a mile off!) Maybe I could email you all individually (or is that worst )

Doris, I totally understand about your DD. I found that the hardest thing - the change in my relationship with my DD. I lost patience, and still do and I too had (and have) to remind myself that she is just little herself. Keeping the balance is a big challenge. Being aware of it is three quarters of the battle.

nah it was the one where we were debatng between playgirl or fig leaf waxed emblems. last paragraph

And in true Frumpy style, I can't go without posting at least 3 times .....

Peanutbutter, thank you for your wonderful post!! That was a great message to receive! I send you happy Christmas wishes too and hope you and your DH have some time off together this Christmas.

Wow Kelly, I'm so chuffed, always thought I was invisible to the world! Glad my view on pubic hair means something to someone. That means a lot

(I don't get the roundup as I am on the high security level of no contact so thanks for that)

NOW, goodnight all xxx.

Oh Frumpy, the balance! Yesterday I'd organised for my mum (better known in the Doris household as Dodo) to come and remove the boys for a couple of hours walk in the rain so DD and I could play and make mince pies and do whatever she wanted me to do. What happened? We'd been to the library in the morning and got 8 books out, which she instantly demanded that Dodo should read... which took about 2 hours by which time it was supper, bath and bed. So I tidied the kitchen instead. And felt better for at least trying to spend time with DD. After Christmas Dodo should be around (we won't need her to work in the shop anymore) so hopefully we can take up swimming together again, amongst other things.

Kelly - anytime for the photos. And please tell me how!

And Pixi and Leo - we went to DD's Xmas story reading with preschool today which started at midday. The boys slept soundly through the whole thing and continued to sleep through special good girl treat lunch at the local cafe, and only woke up when I got them home at 3ish for afternoon snack. So normal life (so far) is possible to an extent. DT2 has had a hurty tum this evening so we've been up and down stairs a bit, but with 2 friends here, that's only meant three trips each rather than 9 for me. Anyone know any good things to help small boys with tummyaches? He goes down to sleep happily but keeps being woken by his tum. You can hear the gurgle but it just won't come out, poor little thing.

Best go feed. Not quite sure how, but I've just managed to polish off a whole tub of Yeo Valley raspberry yoghurt. Oh well, at least I'm breastfeeding, so I guess this is the last time in my life that I'll get away with doing things like that.

Night, all!

Wow Doris, I can't believe how together you are, you sound like you are the ultimate super twin mum

I think mine are great now that they're a sensible age and ask questions and tell me what they've been doing, but can do stuff without needing me all the time

Doris/Mars - Either date suits me, have ANC Tues morning but will be home by lunchtime. And nothing on Weds. Really looking forward to it.

Had a horrible night with really bad stomach ache. Was just thinking of ringing the hospital when I found I could sleep sitting up. DD is at my mum's so just me and DS today. He's still poorly so planning a nice lazy day on the sofa with hot choc, movies and hopefully a nap or two.

Doris's pics are here:
dts!
dd and dts

Pixi, I wish you a very relaxed and lazy day. It will do you and your bump lots of good, all your growing is done and its time for you now. Sounds heavenly...if I stick one of my DTs up my jumper can I join in?

Doris, my DT2 had horrible tummy trouble as a newborn. DD1 did too and I believed my HV when she said it was my milk and I should watch my diet like a hawk . Made me feel terrible and then when it happened with the DTs and one was fine and one not, I realised I was not to blame. I have a wonderful HV now but that one.... ANYWAY, I eventually took DT2 for cranio sacral therapy for colic which I found to be really good and made a big difference overnight (then had a second session and was Mr Normal). However, if its not colic and more like windy, sore tummies, I took DT2 to a herbalist (before the cranio sacral therapist) and they mixed up a little bottle of drops which you can pop into any formula feeds or water. For the life of me I can't remember everything that was in it but I remember marshmallow (for calming and digestion) and other soothing/digestive herbs. Its worth a try. For the record I used Infacol (drop straight into the mouth) when DD was newborn and thought it was bollocks but others swear by it. Good luck wih it.

think mine are here

Just out of interest, which DT is it that is windy, first born or second? The one that had the lions share of space or the one that had to squash up? Just curious. It was my DT2 who had little space and was breech. I felt it took him longer to settle into the world. DD1 had a bit of a fast and traumatic entrance into the world and she too was unsettled. My DT1 had all the space and a calm birth and (although she is a wild one now) she was a fairly settled newborn. As I say, just curious, I'm sure its me talking mumbojumbo

Doris and dingdong, love your pictures and have posted on your threads.

Please everyone stop doing it though, you are making me have a moment ah, this time of year always gets me somehow or is it that I'm a big wuss that gets misty eyed over her last revel .