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Under 1s twin post-natal group? Should we have one? Who's in?!

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PeelingmyselfofftheCeiling · 08/03/2012 22:12

The antenatal group is nearly full, any graduates fancy joining forces to compare

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rednellie · 05/08/2012 17:32

Get in Dream! I can't imagine what 5 hrs might feel like...I'm sure one day it'll happen.

scollister - all my children calm down with naked bottom halves. DD still does. In fact it's the first thing she does the minute we walk in the door at home, trousers and knickers come off, fanny comes out Grin. MIL is never very impressed. But I was a naked child and it definitely helped with potty training DD so who gives a fig, eh?

beyoglu - no tips apart from the usual ones about bedtime routine, put down when awake, don't use too many soother items so when they wake up they can self settle. But tbh, until they're 9months/a year old waking at night is totally totally annoyingly normal. My twins are waking about twice a night each at the mo, DD woke once a night until she was 9 months, slept beautifully until she was 2. Now she's in a big bed and no longer restrained in her cage cot we do get the odd night visit with various reasons - toilet, needing water etc etc.

And before we know it they'll be teenagers and we'll be trying to wake them up. (I'm not going to. I'm going to leave them sleep and have lots of lovely lie ins with DH where we read the newspaper and pretend we haven't brought 3 monsters into the world...Wink)

minesapintofwine · 05/08/2012 20:12

red laughed out loud at the description of your DD taking off her clothes. You have such a good sense of humour (not talking about your hair).

You too beyou at the description of Mo Farah doing twin night feeds. Just cant imagine it.... Regarding sleeping through my dts are 6 months and generally sleep from 7ish to 5/6ish and sometimes have another hour afterwards or just play for a bit in cots. (Does this make me a bad mother? I refuse to get up at 5am if my dts are happy. Chopsy but happy!). To get until 5am they started to go later from the earlier feed. Eg 3 became 3.30 and so on. I fully expect this is as good as itll get now for a good few months but not that long in the grand scheme of things eh? I think a bedtime routine helped a little in the sense that though we are having a bit of trouble settling them now probably due to teething they still know whats what (its bedtime no matter how much they argue!).

dream I am the same with my dh snapping at him a lot. I feel so guilty I think its partly due to the sheer relentlessness of life (erm dramatic sounding or what?!?). If hes mentioned it it might be worth having a chat if you get 5 mins (do you?!?) just to tell him how you feel and let him know that you still love him and are just finding things very very tough at the moment understandably. Just ask him to bear with you and when things seem a bit sunnier (they will) make sure hes top of your list. As if we dont have enough on our plates without having to tread around the dhs?!?et theres not one twin mum/new mum who doesnt feel frazzled and snappy we take it out on the ones we feel more comfortable to vent at (eg, not mil and not dcs!). Heck if you heading for divorce based on you snapping a little in this sleepless and hard situation Im amazed dh didnt leave me years ago! Im sure evryone else here is the same.

I always make my posts too long to talk to you all so waves and passes round the Brew. I wont be touching Wine tonight it gets me all emotional.....

DreamingOfPeace · 05/08/2012 21:51

minesa, well said, its the relentless looking after of 3 small children, tiredness and stress of the constant threat of screaming that's hard to stop from DT1. Today I felt so good- hence risking the potential disaster of walking/lunch with my three, Dh and i have made up and had a lovely, ahem, cuddle. I hope things will improve as the babies get a bit bigger like, about 5

rednellie, I did have to go to bed as soon as DT1 did, 9:30 on the dot, no messing about, no jobs etc but yes, 5 hours was wonderful. I hope you get a good stretch soon too. Love naked childhood, good work :) Your DD sounds great fun, with a big personality.

Right, too much faffing here tonight, to bed!

beyoglu · 06/08/2012 07:22

Thanks guys, so it sounds like there's some stretchers and some droppers, if you see what I mean... when we went from two middle of the night feeds to one, it was a stretch - they stretched both the late evening feed and the first middle of the night feed so that the second middle of the night feed moved out to 6.30am. I'd really like them to just drop the next one, that would be really easy. The girls are good sleepers usually (DT2 takes a little while to settle at 7pm when she goes down but after that it's just 3 dreamfeeds through to the morning) so I have high hopes that once they can go without food through the night they will be able to sleep through. Been keeping to our routine (not fancy: feed quietly upstairs, change nappy, swaddle and down) and not making eye contact or putting the light on for the nighttime feeds so here's hoping.

DreamingOfPeace · 06/08/2012 07:32

Urgh. DT1 has resumed normal service. How do I get him to sleep in his own cot? I spent nearly an hour last night between 4& 5 shushing and patting... No joy. Put him in beside me, he grabs s big handful of duvet (to check I can't move him?!) And goes to sleep...

TwelveLeggedWalk · 06/08/2012 13:10

All going rather belly up again here. No sleep (3 hours last night, sob!). DD wasn't even crying, she was just awake/grizzling/wriggling/trying to pull my hair out/anything other than bloody SLEEPING!

Dh and I at each other like cats in a bag.

Work going badly, some of it I can put down to being not on the ball enough, so of it just really sh**ty all round tbh.

On the plus side, they're eating us out of house and home.

God, you'd think approaching 1 year old it would start to feel easier, it's just a MARATHON at the moment.

yay to Dreaming's 5 hours sleep though, that must be a recent record.

And can't believe Mo's missus was 7 months gone with twins, that's about when I dropped - almost certainly partly due to something much much less stressful than my DH running for an Olympic gold medal! Grin. Could've really really been 2 Olympic babies!

DreamingOfPeace · 06/08/2012 16:00

Ah twelve, I totally sympathize. Cats in a bag, he he, us too quite a lot!! I thought that about DD in her 6-7 months of Sleep Hell from 12/3 to 19 months. It did pass

That was the first time I'd had more than 3 hours sleep since the babies were born. Probably the last for ages too.

rednellie · 06/08/2012 17:28

So I go to bed at 9.30pm all the time, where am I going wrong? Not that I'm complaining, i think my two are fairly normal for 5 month olds, but we still have a feed between 9 and 10pm, another at 2 or 3am and then on and off from 5am. That's normal isn't it? Anyway, I tried to think about it and realised I've not slept for longer than 4 hrs since Christmas. Crikey.

We're having our yard sale today. Really feels like we're finally moving. Although DD isn't helping. She keeps rescuing her toys I'm trying to flog and bringing them back inside....

Twelve you have my sympathies!

DreamingOfPeace · 06/08/2012 19:47

Lol, I think the difference is my dts had only just gone to sleep rednellie, so the equivalent would be you going to bed at 7pm with yours... When DT2 has a good night he feeds at 8ish, goes to sleep, wakes sometime between 1 & 4, then maybe 6:30- 7:30am. He's a star. He's slept through twice too (as in 8-6) . I don't wake him when DT1 wakes, ever. However, normal for DT1 is 8:30-9:30 to get him to sleep, wake 10ish, 12-1 ish, 3 ish, sometimes be awake a while then, 5ish, 6:30 up for the day, always by 6:45. Nightmare. Can only get him to sleep by feeding him, every time...

I have a wonderful image of a little girl, maybe bare-bottomed, erupting out of the house to run a toy rescue mission Grin . My 3 have been relentless today, especially DT1, though DD has been behaving like a brat too so good to have a giggle at that!

DreamingOfPeace · 06/08/2012 20:52

8:50pm, I may possibly have got the dts to sleep. Though I thought I had DT2 asleep and it lasted all of 5 minutes before. Hmm. Now, opinions, I got DT1 to sleep, in his cot, by holding a dummy into his mouth. I've never used dummies, not a big fan tbh, and he can't do it himself, I just held it in til he went to sleep, then took it away. Is this going to solve a problem or create a worse one? Particularly as i have to hold it in for him?! Still, he's asleep with way less fuss than usual for tonight... Putting down awake just isn't happening here. More guilt, especially as with this, i know I'm Doing It Wrong (Again) ...

Lemele · 06/08/2012 21:38

Big hugs twelve and anyone else struggling. Here too, though DH is being wonderful (don't know where he's got it from). Oh, well, except for in the night, when he's about as useful as a rock. Men!!

Hooray for a bit less sleep dream! I would stick with the dummy if it seemed to help. After all he's prob just using it in the same way as he's using you... I do remember DS needing to feed ALL the time in order to sleep but he just wanted the comfort, and I had my first decent few hours sleep after we invested in one! Anyhoo, hope it works - as much as it can do!

Right, people, what do we all think of this new-fangled 'baby led weaning' malarkey? I wasn't bothered either way (never gave it much thought) but saw an old friend yesterday whose 15 month old was 'baby-led' (started at 6 months), and now eats everything they do, by the handful - he was eating sandwiches, (soft) coleslaw and various other things at a christening we went to and I was jealous of how easy it looked! (And my friend said that it was as easy as it looked). The older my DS gets the more I want to up the game for the twinnies

ClaireMarathonFeeder · 06/08/2012 21:40

Very quickly as little time, dream I have never been a big fan of dummies, but but but, it has been the only way we could get dtb asleep when he was colicky. It is still a lifesaver when I'm feeding his sister and he's also hungry as can finish the feed without him screaming his head off which would very distressing for both of us. I try to not overuse it, but It is the reason why he is now a better sleeper than his sister. She goes to sleep feeding so not much different!

Tbh when you have twins and a toddler I think you should do anything to get some sleep. Dd1 has been a thumb and a dummy sucker, dd2 sucked her finger, they both stopped and we all survived!

Just do what works for you now Smile!

BB3 · 07/08/2012 06:46

Dream - I'm all for the dummy - my girls don't like them at all but it will help them drift off of they are in that fussy stage!

Red Grin k likes naked time too!!! Grin

Lemele I did a mix if both a small purred meal the finger foods to go with it x

BB3 · 07/08/2012 07:15

Oh and the fighting has started - Edie (aka thug) keeps biting chunks out of her sister and Ayse (aka princess/queen) plays on it so much that you never know if she's hurt or just crying because her sister dared to touch her!!!! Hurrumph

ClaireMarathonFeeder · 07/08/2012 08:51

lemele Wrt to BLW, I've thought a lot about it and decided it's too restrictive for me.

I do not understand "banning" spoonfeeding per se and therefore restricting the diet to finger foods only, I also think I'd rather transition the babies gently onto solid foods by starting with purees first. And we eat lots soups as its the pnly way I can get veggies into dh so it wouldnt make sense for us. After all even animals chew food for their los to make it easier for them!

Ime the single most important thing anyone can do to establish good eating habits is eat as a family. As the twins get interested in our food I'll offer it to them. I still think of it as BLW as I do follow their lead, but the hardcorers would say its not because we use a spoon! Hmm
Ps I'm all for letting selfeed and be independent, with 4 kids the sooner they feed themselves the better, I just think they're not there yet at 6 months.

Sorry for the essay!Blush

Waves to everybody else, rednellie how long now before you go? I love the idea of a garage sale, but its not done here and no one would turn up!!

We have found a house, its wonderful and way over budget, but we've worked out that with savings we're doing on other things we wouldn't be worse off, so we decided to go for it as it would make us all happy, we'll be able to walk/cycle to school which will be lovely.

Its only in 4-5 weeks and we haven't even got quotes for the move eeek. [head in sand emoticon]

Hello to everyone else Smile

rednellie · 07/08/2012 16:03

Packing day today. Our house is awash with crap. I've hurt my leg and so was mardy as a mardy thing last night. Poor DH. And claire you have my sympathies - I've moved approximately every 1.5 yrs for the last 15 years. I'd really like to stop now. Sigh.

dream, even if I went to bed at 7pm with these boys I'd still only get 3 hrs sleep before they'd wake me up again. I'm not even thinking about it until we get into our new house. And dummies - I've never used them, but if it's working as a transition from your boob to bed then use it.

Blw - I'm with claire. I basically spoon fed and then DD always had something she could eat herself. And I second the family meal thing. DD has gone through phases of eating amazingly, badly and everything inbetween, but we ALWAYS eat at the table and with no tv/distractions on. HTH

Right, you may not here from me for a while. Wish us luck. xxx

scollister · 07/08/2012 17:13

Hi ladies, just a quick note to say I followed BLW with DD1 and it was brilliant! I will post some links on here later tonight when all the kid lets are in bed. It really is fantastic and DD1 eats a healthy varied diet and there was no cooking and pure ring food. As I breastfed on demand, it made sense to let her stay in control of what she ate, how much and when. Sorry if I come across a bit evangelical about it but we had such a fantastic experience with it :)

skitoo · 07/08/2012 21:17

Ok so my commitment to helping fill this thread so we can have a shiny new one with stats to help my baby brain, isn't going too well is it....Blush. We've been away for the weekend (nightmare), out yesterday and visitors today. All of which hasn't really suited the boys as we were making good progress with the daytime napping but being out seems to throw it and they end up all over the place - not good Sad.

Dream, I say if the dummy makes things easier, go for it for a while. I don't particularly like them but have been thinking about them to help with the daytime naps.

I'll be watching with interest with regards to weaning. We're nowhere near ready here and will need to read up somewhere as I haven't got a clue. All I know is that our pre-babies cream carpets aren't going to last long are they Hmm.

Sorry if I've missed it but is the move soon Rednellie? Good luck with the packing, sad and exciting at the same time I guess. Hope it all goes well.

Claire, the new house sounds good, great to be able to walk to schools. I love where we live but it's a bit in the sticks so you have to get in the car to go anywhere. It's never bothered me before but since having the babies I've wished we could just walk down the road with the pram some times.

Does anyone out there have the bugaboo donkey? Am wondering what age you can change from carrycots to pushchair seats? Recommended age is 6 months but was thinking about doing one sooner as they don't seem to like the carrycots any more - far too nosy to want to stare up at the sky!

I've just found the Torch Torch Torch Torch

DreamingOfPeace · 07/08/2012 21:51

Oooh, good luck rednellie!

Well, you're back now scollister, sounds hellish busy to me :) . We replaced kitchen carpet with karndean when found out I was pregnant with twins! Beige for us for the rest though too-eek! I'm thinking it won't be long before DT1 wants food and he's only 18 weeks tomorrow! I'm with Claire & red on weaning mix of puree and finger food. Bugaboo donkey envy but not got one. bb3 has

The dummy wasn't very successful, he doesn't hold it in so I'm required the whole time anyway Hmm We'll see.

In a desperate attempt to get DT1 to sleep in his cot not in my bed (after nearly 2 hours of trying) I resorted to half leaning into the cot to dangle my boob into his mouth so he could bf to sleep without the transfer (having tried shush pat, putting down asleep after feeding into his back, jigging to sleep, tiger in a tree and onto his tummy, holding dummy in, just everything, unsuccessfully). I have officially gone mad and have a wish for an even worse back....

Terrible night, but surprisingly had a great full day out today at. a farm park with my dad. DD had three donkey rides!!! (We were there all day and indulgent grandpa responsible for 2) Besotted. I know what she wants for her 2nd birthday...

Lemele · 07/08/2012 22:42

Ooh dreaming, I remember the hanging over the cot dangling boob in baby's mouth thing!! so glad it's not got to that here yet

It might just be coincidence but our DTs go down pretty easy with their sleeping bags on compared to without (and compared to DS). Something to do with avoiding cold sheets i think?

On BLW, i have no idea of the 'rules' and to be honest chuck all rules of anything like that out of the window anyway Hmm My idea of it was give the babies things they can hold and munch themselves and let them get used to food as it is rather than mush, but to me this would most definitely include feeding off a spoon, e.g. if they fancied trying my soup, for example... after all surely the point of it is that they can eat whatever I'm eating...

I had another wonderfully fascinating question for you all but alas I have forgotten it. Wink

bigboobsatlast · 08/08/2012 10:44

Hey everyone - what busy people you all are! Good luck with the move Red - guessing you will be missing for a while as you move countries - we will all be thinking of you! Looks like you will be coming back to rain though.... but at least the country is on a high thanks to the Olympics!

Carrycots to pushciar things - I have not got the same pushchair and have never used a carrycot with the DTs (straight in to pushchair things, suitable from newborn) but I remember very clearly that I moved DD from her carrycot thing to her pushchair thing at 2 months as walks turned in to a nightmare as she just screamed - as soon as I put her in the more upright pushchair thing she loved walks again - they definitely like to be able to see whats going on. I know the guidelines are 'lay flat till 6 months' but I don;t know anyone that has followed this (but might just be my friends Hmm) so if I were you I would go with it and see if they like it.

Weaning - no where near that stage with the DTs but DD was very much like the others have said - mixture of purees / spoon feeding and finger food right from the start. Seemed to work well ignoring the fact DD is a fussy madame

Great news on the house Claire - when you do you move? and great your older DCs are looking forward to moving, that must make it easier.

How are you doing Twin2 - nights getting better?

We had a great day out yesterday (like you Dream!) - out all day (in waterproofs) with all three and my friend and her two - she helped with when the boys needed feeding and her older DCs entertained my DD - worked out really well. Felt really pleased with myself as we all had such a good time (even though when my friend turned up at my house ready to go out I was not even dressed and the house was still is a tip!! Some home turned it around with her help though.

Still on 9pm-ish bedtimes here and one feed in the night at between 2pm and 3pm, and then up between 6am and 7am (usually 6!). Which I don;t think is too bad to be honest for three-month-ers. Day time has no routine, sleep whenever wherever - but without much fuss so thats a blessing.

Dream, it sounds like things are heading in the right direction although I know you must still be desperate for a good nights sleep!! Hopefully weaning them will have an effect on their sleeping its the hope that does us in though

Not far from a new thread! Can I give my stats now? Can I? Can I??!!

Bigboobsatlast ID twin boys 30.04.12 DC #2&3 (DD Feb 2010)

Is that the sort of thing to put? That info will certainly help me keep track of everybody!!

DreamingOfPeace · 08/08/2012 13:32

Well, nothing, but nothing would make DT1 sleep in his cot last night. What can I do?!!?
His waking times from cot after 8pm bedtime- 8:30, 8:50, 9:30, 10pm (cue running up and down stairs like a headless chicken), 12, 1, 3- spend ages trying to put him down, back in my bed where he's been since midnight, back asleep at 4, up at 5:25 for ages... Then t'others up. Plus fed DT2 1am too. It's totally ridiculous. He sleeps like a newborn, still. Screams the minute he hits the cot and it does disturb his brother. I am at my wits end with his sleeping... Any suggestions? We do bedtime routine involving naked kicking, bath, milk, cot. He wears a sleeping bag. They have a white noise cd playing. It's dark ish, kind of, in their room. He does not do laying quietly in his cot without screaming. He wouldn't have the dummy at all last night, gagging trying to get it out. Help!!!

I will post something more interesting when i feel a bit more human :(

Oh, and me too!!

DreamingofPeace: dcda non id boys, 4.4.12 DC 2&3 (DD Sept 2010)

bigboobsatlast · 08/08/2012 14:01

oh Dream, how rubbish Sad how do you feel about him sleeping in with you? are you really not comfortable with this? I have one of mine in bed with me usually from 12 - 3-ish and then again 5am - 6am. Chops and changes who it is (only once have they both slept 9am - 3-ish, and yet they both can do - why not together?!

I also tried dummies but spent all my time holding them in / putting them back - and they only seemed to make my boys expect food Hmm so gave up as it was not doing me or them any favours. use them if they help, but give up if not as not worth your time or effort. Not sure how long you shoujld give it though, I gave up after a few nights.

TwelveLeggedWalk · 08/08/2012 14:23

God dream, no advice. We went from sling, to carry cots in the living room, to cot, but we never really had to work THAT hard at it.

Right, who asked about weaning? Ours were 10 weeks prem but weaned at 6 months actual (not corrected), as per medical advice.
That meant they were too small to even consider BLW, they were too small for high chairs, they were actually too small for Bumbos right at the very start. So we did it slowly slowly - simple fruit and veg very soft purees in the bouncy chair/on lap, then fruit/veg combos in the bumbos, then introduced porridge etc in high chairs (we used Ikea Antilop with the blow up inserts). For literally MONTHS I would try and tempt them with little things on their high chair trays and they just would NOT try and pick it up to eat (I posted ealier on here about DD sniffing it like a snooty cat! Smile)

The quantities went up and flavours got more interesting, and they were up to three meals a day, but the mechanics of it were really challenging. I think it was only 6 weeks ago they were still struggling with most high chairs and we ended up doing an emergency dash to Argos on holiday because they couldn't sit properly in the hotel ones.

Then one day, it just clicked, and they started picking stuff up. And almost straight away they got horrible colds which meant they had sore throats and coughed so much with any lumps or texture they vomited it all back up again...

So now we're coming up to 11 months and they're finally eating decent quantities of finger foods, although bread-based stuff seems to be the most popular, plus being fed lumpier mushed meats and veg by spoon, we've just got them eating Stage 3 pouches and baby pasta etc, and they can handle things like banana, fish fingers etc in their hands.

Sorry, that was an epic, but just to say that it can be very two steps forward, one step back! I won't even mention the days they were refusing spoons but still wouldn't use finger foods, or the days they wolfed down a new flavour then refused it the next Wink...

The one thing I have realised reading every one else is that I've been rubbish about 'family' mealtimes. I usually eat breakfast at the same time as them, but often not lunch and never dinner. They're both so impatient for food that I barely have time to prep the bits and pieces for their meal while they nibble on something let along make and eat something myself! Might try and work on more sociable mealtimes soon.

TwelveLeggedWalk · 08/08/2012 14:25

Ooh, and stats update:

TwelveLeggedWalk: DCDA DD and DS 14.09.11 (PFBs)
DreamingofPeace: dcda non id boys, 4.4.12 DC 2&3 (DD Sept 2010)
Bigboobsatlast ID twin boys 30.04.12 DC #2&3 (DD Feb 2010)