Under 1s twin post-natal group? Should we have one? Who's in?!

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The antenatal group is nearly full, any graduates fancy joining forces to compare

Ha. My 'success' with sleep last night was with Seb only, when he did his 4.5 hours. My night went like this though- DD to bed, 7:30, DT1,8:30 DT2 9. DT2 up 10, 11:30, 1:30, 4:30, DD up 12:45 for aaages, DT1 up 12:50, 5, both babies in with me from 5. Very, very busy night. All asleep now so must dive for bed. Poor DT2 been so unsettled today, he's done his colicky crying since 1pm til going to sleep now, cat naps with vigorous pram pushing the only respite. Poor little thing. I was going to say their reflux seems to be improving but loads of projectile vomming today so maybe not.

Too much rain!!!

Hope the aptimil comfort milk helps bigboobs, its got to be worth a try.

wine, I can't express enough for someone else to do a whole night. Dh often gives an ebm bottle for me, though it worsens both twins wind and they're very hard to settle afterwards for dh. On the whole though, DT1's colic definitely miles better, just DT2 to go now.

Plus they're both smiling now. At last! I was :( I had the worlds mist unhappy babies who wouldn't smile, or a bigboobs said, I have so little time to grin inanely at them, unlike with DD, they just didn't know what to do. So I'm delighted with their smiles, and for all my complaints of tiredness, I wouldn't swap being a twin mum for the world!

rednellie, my dh is not enjoying the slog of the newborn twins bit, which I'm sad about. He is also wanting a vasectomy and saying there will not be any more babies, which I'm also surprisingly sad about already... He did no night helping last time and like yours is truly grumpy and tired now. He helps on all nights he's not at work, his aching no longer accepted as an excuse!

dream, dt1 had a really good night then! Here's hoping dt2 is not far behind. My 2 both did a 4 hr stretch between feeds last night, but only because they were in bed with me. Usually 3 hr stretches day and night.

Currently in bed in the boys room having fed them and put them to bed. Both awake and grunting! I am just waiting for the crying and constant settling to begin!

My dh also struggles with lack of sleep, as do I but not to the same extent. To be honest it does annoy me a little when he goes on about how tired he is.... when all i am thinking is 'x that by 10 and you will be a little nearer how tired i am'! I know, I am a meany! I know he gets annoyed with my lack of sympathy and grumpiness. Roll on better sleeping so we can start being a couple again and not just existing.

yay for smiles dream and yay for more settles babies red!

Doh. DT1's better night was a fluke. Last night his longest sleep was in the evening when DT2 still colicky again and only 2.5 hours... Both up hourly. And DT1 screamed for 90 minutes in the night... I feel so tired I'm weepy. Dh losing the will, he thinks they're actually worse colic wise plus harder to settle at night. Here here to just existing.

bigboobs dream you're both doing so well. In 3 months time you won't remember how much you've come thru. My DH did an awful lot of the we are never ever doing this again chat which we now (semi) laugh about. We are moving on Monday so must get back to packing.

Hullo and very good night to all.

Sending out hugs to everyone. We're still suffering miserable Vancouver grey skies and rain, but our little family is doing well.

The boys are being a job, proper little giggles and all sorts of cooing noises. They LOVE their big sister and now she's not hitting them every five seconds they seem to genuinely enjoy watching her. DD in her turn is being a real cutie with them, she's very possesive of them and wants to help with getting them ready for the day etc. I've only had a couple of incidents with her the last few days and she even had a nap yesterday so I feel like maybe she's just getting used to the new status quo. And my boobs/throat/nose/head are all feeling much better. Phew.

Big news is that we've booked our flights back to the UK, yey! Coming back mid August, so that'll be a massive disruption to the routine, but a very welcome one.

Hope you're all enjoying your weekends. Good luck with the move pigcon.

Ooo Red, how exciting that the flights are booked - I take it that is for the big move back to the UK and not just a visit? Where abouts are you moving to and have you already got some where ready to stay / live? A massive thing for you all to do but from what you have said you are looking forward to coming back here and being nearer family. All my family are 2 hours away which feels too far at the moment so I can't imagine what it feels like to have family in another country.

So pleased to hear DD has settled down with her brothers (and that you are feeling well again), and of course they love watching her - I bet she keeps them very entertained! My DD is still in love with her brothers but I have had to stop her being too rough - difficult to get the balance right of letting her 'play' with them and touch them, without her going over the top and hurting them. Although I know they are pretty robust really. She has a thing about putting her fingers in their mouths - and I know where those fingers have been !!!so try to stop that but I have to let her just get on with it sometimes as I dont want her to think she cant be close to them / touch them.

Pigcon, you are moving too?! Where are you moving to - close by or to a new area? Hope it goes well and the DTs settle in ok. I am sure you are right that in a few months time I will be looking back on the 'newborn' days with rose tinted glasses thinking 'why did my babies have to grow up so quickly'!! I think thats one of the reasons I am finding it hard - because I can't remember it DD being like this- buts thats because I have blocked out the hardest times - just like the birth, onyl good memories of that as well when I know full well at the time it was more 'OMFG'!!!

Hows it going Dream? any glimmers are improvement to make you feel a little more positive? I know any sing of improvement makes me feel the tiredness slightly less! No improvement here - although they BOTH settled in their cots last night at the same time on two occasions!!! Still max of three hours between feeds though - so no difference between day and night. I am sticking to the bedtme routine in the hope they get the message when day and night is!

Pintofwine, I have started on the comfort milk - see what you mean about how thick it is! Some improvement in that there seems slightly less squirming / uncomfortableness when feeding - but still early days. And cerratinly not producing more poo so still using lactulose as well.

Rain rain again today - rubbish! another day of either not going out or if we do then it is a mammoth tasks of waterproofs, wellies and rain covers!! Hope you are all having slightly better weather than here in Hampshire.

BB3, hoping you have made it back from your holiday save and sound and your lack of posting is because you are still in holiday mode and not because you have drowned under a mountain of washing!

Just popping by to say a quick hello!lots of new people here, hi to all :)

Scanning through a few messages - Dreaming so sorry to see you are not sleeping much :( must be so hard but in time it will pass. Sleep deprivation is so awful!

Red exciting that you are moving back to UK! Will be great to be back closer to family i'm sure :)

Our girls are 9 months old tomorrow! Hard to believe it. They have just started sitting-so cute!! :) I would love to say they are sleeping, but we are still up quite a bit you never know what each night holds. Finally got them off the boob - alot of crying from them and me for nights one and two, by night four they were both sleeping so much better - so glad i've finally stopped to be honest. DH is still sleeping in the back room with DT2 as she was more addicted - hoping we can move back in together soon!

Big hi to all the other mummies and babies!

Hi everyone! I'm so sleep deprived I can't remember if I've posted on this thread already but you'll have seen me angsting all over the other threads...

My 7 week old girls are just getting over the cold and one is having a growth spurt I think - she was taking about 70ml of milk every 3 hours and then it went to 70ml every 2 hours for two days and now she's joined her sister in stretching it out... sometimes they take 50ml, sometimes 150, and they go anything between 2 hours and 4 hours between feeds... and it's not even that the big feeds are followed by long spaces! Last night would have been a nightmare except that a) they settle back after every feed after 10pm, the darlings and b) I've finally after 7 weeks stopped being scared by them, so I settle really well between feeds as well!
I'm hoping this chaotic feeding schedule is going to pull itself together soon - up to about 6 weeks they were on a very stable 2.5 to 3h schedule and I could go out with them all day alone. Now I have to wait till one's hungry, feed them, try and persuade the other to take some and hope for the best while we're out!
Do you guys get the "arsenic hour" i.e. lots of crying in the evening? One of ours is fine but the other one needs constant cuddles, jiggling about, singing etc from about 6 to 9 every evening and even then she'll nap intermittently and cry every time she wakes up. We bought one of those swings to try and help, she sits in it rocking back and forth with a dummy in her mouth and grizzles around the dummy while sucking it! Fine the rest of the day... I think maybe she has dinner envy... or just doesn't like watching the Euros (how long is that bloody competition on for anyway? )

Some of you are talking about bedroom routines... we have the most basic one ever! When they get hungry at about 9 or 10 we change their nappies, put them in the sleeping bags and feed them off to sleep. No bath... I'm still struggling with fitting the baths into the daily routine. We do one or two a week at the moment, well, more if someone has a really bad poo/puke, and I do them in the mid morning. Not this morning though...

I've said this like 10 times an hour since the day they were born but... GOD I wish they were bigger. I'm not looking for much, a 4 hour feeding schedule would be enough. I whisper it in their ears. 12, 4, 8, 12, 4, 8... I wouldn't know myself.

Hey ladies

I lost you all on my phone!

Bigboobs am on holiday again (thankfully not drowning in ironing) but up in Edinburgh for a friends wedding and week of touristy things. Off to loch ness today! Dreading back to work next week tho!

Red, yay for coming home! Have you got anywhere to stay when you're back? What part if London are you looking at?

Dream, yay for smiles!

Wherearemy - a little boy on my an thread has quite severe flat head and he's been fitted with a helmet that he wears and from what his mum says it's made a remarkable difference. From what limited experience I've had, treatment ranges from specialist pillows to helmets etc depending on the severity of it but everyone I know that's had it has managed to get it resolved. Hope the appointment goes well.

Claire - everything ok post earthquake?

So my babies will be 9 months next week - how is that even possible? Ayse-Rose is pulling herself up and walking along the furniture and Edith-May is mastering crawling (and getting very frustrated that she can't keep up with her sister! But she is getting her top teeth through so is generally a bit miserable and not sleeping well (dh is away with work so not here to help at night). We have ds' operation on the 2nd July so hoping that helps him a lot. And I'm thinking about starting a company with a friend so it's all go this end!

Hope everyone is ok x

Beyoglu - arsenic hour for a when the girls were smaller was 5.30-7.30 it was hideous! It's much better now and we only really get 30 minutes of grizzled edits bed time milk. There's no need to bath them everyday at that age so dont stress about that!

Just been on a thread - a lady had a singleton dd (now 6) then two sets of bb twins and is now pg with another set of twins. 7 babies (6 of them twins) - maybe we won't try for more just yet

Hi all
Yes BB3, I saw that thread too, amazing! She also said she finds twins easier, wtf!

Hope you are all well. We had a busy but wet jubilee weekend, went to see the flotilla, the trains were unbelievably busy, worse than rush hour and I got very protective and yelled at some people crowding the pram.

But then DTS got tonsilitis, he had a raging temp (39.8) so we called OOH and they sent us to a&e as they could not work out the problem, started talking about menengitis which was very scart, anyway its only tonsilitis thank goodness! So we've had a few broken nights, thankfully inlaws were here as I got 3 hrs sleep one night and they took them off me so I could lie in. And amazingly DTD appears symptom free at the moment so fingers crossed.
He's pretty much recovered now and is rolling everywhere, he can cover the whole playmat in seconds and I now have to start babyproofing as he's going for plantpots, TV stand etc. He's spending a lot of time in his bouncy chair...

Dream I hope the sleep starts to improve. I had forgotten just how tiring it is to have broken nights, and just a few of them have knackered me out.

Claire is everything getting back to normal?

Red as you can probably tell I live in London, in SW london to be exact. Where are you moving to?

Hello to any newcomers and anyone else I missed. Have a strong on me,

I know! Easier?!?!

Oh poor dts - you forget how much more it effect them at this age. So glad they're improving and you had some help xx

Helloo!, Oops, has been an age since I was on here. I do lurk/read on my phone during feeds, but Dts are now fully a two handed job at all times and never seem to have the time to post. THink the last time I read it properly someone was talking about tandem feeding in public and I got far too intimidated and decided you're all superwoman as I managed tandem feeding about five times in my life (or so it feels) and needed 3 pairs of hands to do it!

In fact I was saying to DH the other day that I only stopped breast feeding a matter of weeks ago really and I just can't imagine the feeling of doing it now. Your body has a funny kind of amnesia for these things, like being pregnant with twins - although I did cut that pretty short so hardly surprising I can't remember it now!

We're also off for our 9 month checks this week, which is kind of terrifying. After weeks of determined rolling and sticking their legs out to stand whenever I hold them up, they are FINALLY trying some sitting, and this morning I found DS up on his hands and knees.... eek!

We've dropped the dream feeds so it's early early starts here, but sleep is going in the right direction, just not quick enough for me to start work next week.

Braved our first wedding last weekend and off on our first holiday next weekend, amazing what seems like a major achievement these days!

Hello everyone!

Nice to see you back BB3, I love Edinburgh so am a bit of you. It's one of my favourite cities. Hope you enjoy.

peeling, don't be silly about being intimidated - I did try tandem feeding in public, just the once as I didn't feel the public needed to see that much of my lovely self that early in the morning . Superwoman comments always make me laugh, I get loads on fb from friends who don't have twins and I always think - I didn't choose twins after my DD, and what exactly am I supposed to have done with them if I wasn't a supposed 'superwoman'? Give them away? Leave them on the porch and hope some helpful neighbour takes them off me? Anyway, my point being you cope with what you get, you don't have any other choice!

ceeveebee - yey, we're probably moving sw London as DH's job is in Chiswick. I'm slightly nervous about it as I was a very confirmed North East Londoner (my names' still above a pub in East London somewhere...), but it'd be lovely if I already have a twin mum mate in the area. Any suggestions of where to look? We're going to stay with my Mum in Wales for a bit while DH works and finds us somewhere to rent so any ideas on good locations would be great.

beyoglu - arsenic hour! Brilliant name for it. They've called it Purple Crying here in Canada as we're not allowed to call it colic anymore . DD used to cry from 4pm onwards and the only way to get her to stop was to carry her in a sling. Unfortunately this would always coincide with me flagging too so it was always very very hard work. The only way I survive now is by getting them all into bed early!

Hello peeling! I'm a long way from superwoman too, I only tandem fed in public as i had two screaming babies and it was the lesser of two evils! And mine are 10 weeks old tomorrow and I generally have help most days still too or everything goes A over T fairly rapidly... And i tell you, if i was superwoman I'd blooming well make them sleep a bit better first of all! I even resorted to that most desperate of measures, asking the hv who just told me every baby is different and a baby who wakes 2 hourly if not more often every night at 10 weeks is normal. actually not one helpful suggestion given. Reminds me why I don't ask the hv anything... Now holidays are brave! Abroad or UK based? Plus eek indeed about hands and knees, crawling is just round the corner. And very very early for such a prem baby, What a clever clever boy (or do you mean 9 months corrected? Either way its good going!)

ceevee, sounds terrifying about the illness- thank goodness it was such s treatable problem in the end. We totally panicked about DD after she had a temp of 40.2 which we couldn't get below 39 with calpol and ibuprofen together, and no symptoms of anything and also ended up at the hospital, narrowly avoided a lumbar puncture, and it was a wierd virus, roseola infantum, so i know the fear!

We had a lovely day out as a family on Sunday, picnic and everything which was great, but otherwise just surviving day by day as we, well me in particular, are so sleep deprived.

Currently battling super irritable babies after their first lot of immunisations. That on top of the Purple Crying (very apt name!).

So yes beyoglu except oh that it was just an.hour. DT2 is worse by far here but we still have 3-4 hours crying, and nothing but walking and jigging and walking and jigging in tiger in the tree hold helps... (& just to throw you, sometimes it's the morning too, DT1 screamed for 3.5 hours yesterday, til I was taking temp etc etc) Tried swinging chair, vibrating chair, all kind of positions, infacol, colief, gripe water, gaviscon.... In fact, DT2 has been worse than ever the last week. Soul destroying. Arsenic Hour- dh might even be able to raise a laugh over that name for it!

Oh being puked on tandem feeding (in private at home!).. Best go

Ooh red Chiswick is about 2 miles from where I live (Richmond), and I know about 20 twin mums in my area including one in Chiswick so you'll have lots of like minded ladies to meet up with! Chiswick is lovely as are most of the surrounding areas. Depends what type/size of house you want, whether you want to be near a tube station, how far your DH wants to commute and the all important budget. Feel free to pm me if you like!

Welcome back peeling, tis your thread after all! Sorry it was me who tandem bf, it was the first and only time I have done it but was necessary to stop both screaming! Was at our twin club meeting and I had a strategically placed big scarf but still felt very exposed and will not be doing it again if I can help it!

He he ceevee, seems we all try it in desperate times only (public tandem bf!)

Bit of all your twin mum friends. I had to bite my tongue when a (good) friend told me bf her first was like bf twins as he fed so often.. not a clue!! I'd love to meet some more twin mums.

Um, how do I pm?

PS BB3, what does the op involve? Glad it's all getting sorted for DS.

You can just click 'message poster' above any of my posts

I want to live near other twin mummies !!!

Aw, where do you live bigboobs? Is there a twin club nearby? I met most of my new friends through TAMBA seminar and antenatal course, at playgroups, ante and post natal yoga/pilates, and randomly in the street, every time I see a double buggy I go and say hi!

Oh yeah. Am an idiot. Right, will do that once DD has calmed down. I prescribe TV [bad mother emoticon]

No local twins club for me :( if i remember, bigboobs is Hampshire, I'm opposite end of the country, north west, in lancashire. I do know of one other twins and toddler mum, one mum of toddler plus triplets- met her a few times at playgroup and one new mum of twins, must make an effort to get in touch without worrying they'll think I'm a total pain / stalker) . Not seen any of them since I've had the babies,bar the new mum of twins who was discharged as I went in to have the babies.