Under 1s twin post-natal group? Should we have one? Who's in?!

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The antenatal group is nearly full, any graduates fancy joining forces to compare

We also had one ir both in bed with us quite a lot, anything to survive!

bigboobs it does get easier. Around 12 weeks ours started to sleep thru, whilst my memory is hazy I think I was able to sleep 7.30 to 5am (they had dropped the 10.30 12.30 3.00 feeds, timings may have varied by 30 minutes each way). I was still doing a cluster feed that went from 5.00 to 7.30 and between those feeds I did feel it was pretty much full on crying and winding.

To give you some perspective. At 11 months if they would like milk now they can just come over and sit down next to me. They can turn the pages of a book when we read, they can groove along and shout out to music and enjoy playing peekaboo with anything (curtain, pram cover, hands). If they need to be kept quiet whilst I make up a bottle I hand them a rusk. I know you'll be familiar with all of this from your elder child. Sleep will come (and prob go again)

Think red mentioned that the routines in gf echoed the ones she was doing with the demand feeding. I also demand fed and found that the same was true, read the gf book when we went thru a tricky sleep patch.

We're over the vomit here :)

And they'd sleep thru the night and at the same time for daytime naps.

Yey for non vomitting pigcon children! Good news!

dream and bigboobs, here have some and some and perhaps a bucket of .

It will get better, it will. I mean how many teenagers do you know who still go into their parents for a bf, eh eh? OK, I'm sorry, I'm just trying to make you laugh.

Seriously though, don't sweat the small stuff - bigboobs yours are still tiny tiny so they SHOULD be sleeping almost all the time, but only in small snatches which is frigging annoying for you, but so it goes. It wont last. My boys started waking for longer periods during the day around 7 weeks and I encouraged that...

dream, you are doing everything right, but you have two LOs who have colic and it is evil and hard work and equally it wont last. But you are already setting them up for good night time habits by having a bedtime routine and keeping things quiet and chilled at night. Other peoples habits wont work for you, but some might, you have to go with what you know about your babies. You are the expert about them.

We've actually started doing what katy suggested and DH brings DT1 (it's always him, the sod) into bed with us when he stirs and he sleeps with us till DT2 wakes up. Then we change both their nappies so they are wide awake and they feed and we try and put them down. If it doesn't work after an hour of trying to settle them we do it again - change nappies, feed, put down and normally it works second time around. Last night we had a total break through - I wasn't sure whether to tell you as I didn't know whether it'd be annoying hearing about someone elses babies sleeping, but I think actually maybe it will be good to hear it can happen?

Anyway, DT1 woke at 11pm, DH brought him into bed. We all woke up at 3AM!!!!! when DT2 woke up. I fed them, they settled straight after and slept until 6.30AM!!!!!! when DD woke us all up. I could not believe it. I haven't had that much sleep since I was 29 weeks pregnant.

And guess what? They're 12 weeks old

(PS dream I only appear sane on these boards because you can't see me. I look proper mental in RL. It's easy to sound with it when you type stuff, you should have seen me yesterday grovelling to another parent that DD had inflicted a wound on...I think I'm getting even more unpopular at her nursery...)

Oh and my name is my grannies (Nellie) and I used to be a red head. I still identify as one, but apparently no one sees it now . It could also refer to me slightly communist sympathies...

thanks Claire Pigcon and Red for the support! Feeling more positive today - DD back at nursery after a day off poorly, and the boys have been much more settled today. Last night was no better but I did manage a few hours sleep so feeling a little more human! How are you doing Dream? I really do think ebf twin mummies are A-MAZE-ING. Is DD better now? My DD has also been poorly, which i think is what pushed me over the edge yesterday!!

I am thinking I may have to change my mn name.... my big boobs are no more, well and truely returned to the pre-pregnancy size now I have stopped expressing, although still wearing 'c' cup bras to make me feel a little better about returning to my usual 'a' cup!! Boooooooo!! and whilst I would like bigger boobs again, having more children is not a price I am willing to pay!!

Babies waking....

bigboobsarepast ?

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Beestingsreturn

bigboobs, age 14 my step sister told me my boobs were like 2 aspirin on an ironing board... Only bf improves it!!!! (Though I an a B, just about, on a good day non pg, I think... :) )

I'm weepily tired already after a particularly hard night last night and DD, who had been sleeping til 7:30, getting up an hour earlier too... Only 11:50pm so it'll be a loong night. Oh come on my boys, practice some bloody sleeping!!

Oh, and how's the illness and achey boobage red? Mightily of your sleep, but also encouraged.

How do you get the twin who wakes to wait for milk?! Mine wake howling. When I bring them into bed its non stop rooting and crying/ fretting til they're on. I don't think they're always hungry though, sometimes they barely feed but don't seem to settle without boob. Rod and back spring to mind but I've no energy to walk and jig at that time yet...

DT1 has just woken up after going down at 8:30, yay!! 4.5 hours :) Sadly i was up at 10, 11:30 with DT2, and after finally settling him at 12:15, up at 12:45 with DD, who dh has now taken over with while I see to DT1...

And I feel really bad now, I had DD in bed with me on my left feeding S on my right as nowhere to have them both in her room and she was upset, and she wanted the duvet over her too (she's in a sleeping bag) & snuggled in and was so sweet and dh (rightly) came in and took her back to her cot and she's still crying... :(

Also, where's BB3?! We last heard from her about to start the mega trip home from turkey didn't we? Lost in transit?!?

Hi, can I join too? Former lurker but need other twin mums to talk with. I have a 2.5 DS and non id twin girls who are already 6 months, so the last 6 months are a bit of a haze.
Routinewise, I try te keep DS on a routine, and the girls have been settling in a semi routine the last few weeks. Before, I didn't even try. I think I also might be a slattern, especially since I just change their outfits when they are dirty. At least once a day though, not that slatternly:). But I did learn from DS that all the cute babyoutfits like jeans etc don't work, so they do have a lot of jogging type stuff.
Dreaming: it does get better, honestly. The thing with twins is that ime it's even more relentless then just a singleton. You really never get a break. But hang in there, I can now see that there is light at the end of the tunnel ( not quite there yet, but not feeling as worn out as the previus 6 months).
And a question: does any of your twins have a flat/asymmetrical head? We have tp go to the cranio specialist on Tuesday to get DT2's head evaluated. Feeling a bit apprehensive about it all. :(

Hello whereare love your name!! We love hearing from twin mums who are a but further down the line! I have twin b/g who are FOUR months today! And dd1, 11 and dd2 who's 7. Sorry to hear about your twin's head, I have no experience of it, but wish you best of luck and hope someone more knowleadgeable (sp?) comes along.

dream I was also thinking about bb3?
One twin going a bit longer is the start of an improvement!! Slowly the other will follow too. Your poor dd, its so hard for the older ones.. I feel constantly torn between the twins, then between them and the older two, then dd1&dd2. Having four children has added a bottomless depth to term "mother's guilt" I can tell you!

Glad the vomiting is over pigcon, have a nice day everyone!

Lastly, hiw about bigboobsnomore??

Hello wherearemy!! Welcome to the thread as a poster :) Lovely that you've made it to 6 months and are slightly less tired. are you going privately or have you been referred to the cranio specialist? Is it a cranio osteopath or hospital appt? I don't know anything about cranio osteopaths but have heard some good things. Normally here, you'd see a paediatrician, have it looked at, often they xray the skull to check all the sutures between the skull bones are patent (ie will allow the head to grow equally) then refer to physio. Physio will assess neck range of movement to check there's no torticollis (tightness of the neck, usually same side as the flatter part of the head) and advise on positioning etc (loads of tummy time to keep weight off the head) and ? order a helmet if needed. It all depends how severe it is and none of this may be of any relevance. It's often prem babies, those who only like to lie in one position/ look one way or those who've spent a lot of time in car seats and on their backs generally (and most babies now spend a lot of their time on their backs) . Don't worry!, they mostly even out anyway once they're sat up etc.

I like beestingsreturn and bigboobsnomore, he he

4 months old Claire, wow!! I'm guilty enough over the feeling strung too thin for sufficient attention for all with 3. You're doing so well though as I'm sure your older girls would be able to tell you otherwise too :)

Lastly, I have survived a terrible night. Pass the matchsticks.

welcome wherearemy! 6 months seems an age away at the moment for me, but I know it will be here soon enough! A lovely age but I bet they are a handful at 6 months as well.
4 months Claire?! can't believe it. does not seem that long ago that we were all posting about pregnancy issues on the ante-natal thread....

Dream, what happened last night? any rays of hope? My night also bad - although DT2 settled better, but DT1 did not. ID twins are definitely not always intune with each other!

I have no experience of cranial ooji-ma-flip either, but I have also heard success stories on here.

I am hearing you being torn between DCs. I feel guilty about DD, and also about the lack of 1-1 attention the DTs get... it is so different from when I just had DD as a baby, cld spend time gazing adoringly trying to get her to smile, stick her tounge out etc- the boys aren't really getting a look in! DD gives them a lot of attention, but it is not always wanted or appropriate!

Both boys being wieghed today so hopefully both are doing well - I will be surprised if they are not as they are growing out of newborn size now. I think both have reflux (not loads and loads of sick, just more than average and lots of uncomfotable squirms when feeding) - so am going to mention to GP next week at 6 week check. DD had reflux and projectile vomitted all the time - DTs are not like that thank God as dont think I could handle even more washing! How is your DTs reflux Dream? and the is the colic showing any signs of getting better?

Better make an effort to get dressed before HV gets here..... and get boys out of sick/dribble stained clothes,,, got to give the impression of coping!

Hi all hope youre all surviving ok? Ha ha yes a cwtch is a cuddle.

claire my dts were 18 weeks yesterday they were born on the 2nd Feb after being induced they were due on the 19th Feb so yes very close in age. Time flies doesnt it . When was your due date?

dream I am so sorry for you and your lack of sleep I really hope it gets better soon even though you are ebf (which to echo boobs (big or small ha ha) is truly amazing you are a supermum!) is there anyone willing to have them overnight so you can catch some sleep? Dont know much about bf Im sorry but can you express then? With my dts reflux they slept at night in their car seats (as upright) from about 7-9 weeks the first night I did that was the first night I got some sleep so it def worked. I talked with the hv and she said though not ideal in the long run fine for a bit. TBH I think at this stage sleep is so much more important. Could you try it maybe? or bouncy chairs/swings? whatever works I suppose, good luck.

red are you welsh? where are you from?

sending sleep dust to you all x

dream I mean is there anyone who can have them even though you are bf NOT I hope it gets better even though you are bf! Im sure the bf will not affect the chance of improvement!

Pintofwine, you are right - got to do what works for you and gets you some sleep - mine have spent a chunk of the night in their bouncy chairs on more than one occasion.

HV has been and DT1 is now 8lb 15 and DT2 is now 9lb 2 - really pleased. She said to try Aptamil 'comfort' milk to help with the reflux - as it is only mild this might work and wont need Gaviscon or any other meds - any of you ff mums out there tried this? Any experiences? Might as well give it a go I guess.

I really really want an indulgent dinner and a bottle glass of wine as it is Friday, but I know I will have to make do with a microwave curry and a rushed gulp of red!

Hello to everyone and happy Friday - where's our bloody summer?? I have not been out the house for two days!

bigboobs I tried the aptamil comfort Im sorry dont want to put you off but didnt get on with it. Because its for constipation too the nappies were awful really explosive and pooing every feed and in between-lovely stuff! So in the end we changed to Aptamil first plus gaviscon and gripe water which I found really helped us. Give it a try though. Did your hv mention that it is a thick milk so you will need quite a fast teat 2 or 3 as it can block the hole (I had a lot of trouble). Like I said dont wish to be negative that was just my experience but hopefully there will be some positives posted here too .

Oh and enjoy the microwave curry and glass of red that sounds bloody lovely may enjoy it myself nice. I know what you mean though dh and I didnt sit down and have an evening meal together till the dts were about 9 weeks (bedtime thing again) and I love my food. It isnt for long though-just seems like forever at the time!

both DTS are on lactulose (or whatever it is called) for constipation so if the comfort formula has a 'loosening' effect then that might be a good thing! thanks for the heads up re teats. will give it a go and report back! just got to actually leave the house now and get to a shop!!

I know what you mean about leaving the house Ive yet to walk my poor dog today its just too grey and wet . You have to give the milk a few days let us know how you get on.

Hello wherearemy, my DH's actually just gone out and bought some ear plugs...I've heard of the flat head thingie, but I've always thought it was something that had to get sorted with physio, like Dream said. But then I'm never very convinced by things like osteopathy...Hope it gets sorted though so you don't have to worry. Two lots of twins I know have had similar and are fine looking young men now!

Dream, glad you got some success with sleep. Keep at it, you're almost out of the newborn days and I'm sure things will start looking rosier.

We've definitely hit some kind of break through with the boys and they are much much more settled. Unfortunately though DH is severely sleep deprived - I'm not sure why maybe just because he didn't do as much at night with DD as I could just get on and do it on my own...Anyway, helping me at night with the DTs and taking care of DD when she wakes up at night (which has been frequent recently) whilst I'm feeding has turned him into a proper grumpy bear. I think half the problem is he's a really light sleeper and I'm a very deep one so he's getting disturbed by the slightest rustling. We moved DD out of our room when she was 4 weeks, but can't with these two as we don't have another room! Once we move back hopefully it'll all work out, but it's sad as I don't think DH is enjoying it all as much this time round.

mine, I'm Welsh, sort of. I moved all around the world when I was a kid, but my Mum's from the Swansea Valley and we always went back to Wales so it was where I felt home was. My parents are living there now and hopefully we will end up there not too long in the future...