Timing of circumcision

[sunhat88]

Hi,

My baby boy is due soon and he will be circumcised. (Please no circumcision debate on this thread). Those of you who have had you baby boys circumcised... what is your opinion on the best age to have it done? Also what was your experience of their recovery?

Thank you

And it's important to remember that the popularity of circumcision among the non Jewish community was largely about preventing masturbation.

Where do you live Bertrand? If you lived in somewhere like Israel or Turkey - i might come up more.

You wouldn't cut you child's little toe off to satisfy cultural demands, so why do this? Ridiculous and outdated practice inflicted on children who can't object.

I can imagine it would be a huge problem if you were Jewish or Muslim, and of course I can see why people go along with it (although I certainly can't see why anyone would choose not to have it done by a doctor in a hospital).

Without those religious constraints then no. I have no sympathy for anyone who does it. If my son wants in later life to have sex with shallow and ignorant women, then he can arrange his own circumcision.

Not true, sashh. Circumsision decreases chances of getting other stds too, not just hiv. The foreskin offers no protection against stds.
I can't say I support circumcision and never considered circumcising my ds, but I came across some medical information recently which shows there are definite health benefits.
Obviously, though, using a condom and not having multiple sexual partners reduces the risk of stds and hiv even further.

Many of you here who think it's horrible would circumcise your sons if you lived elsewhere (US etc) or if you were Jewish or muslim. Are you so sure you would go against the accepted norm?

Yes I am 100% sure but then I'm not religious.

And unless you live in sub Saharan Africa with no access to condemns or education in sexual health the protection against stds thing is a red herring.

My son has his done when he was 11 for medical reasons, it was a disaster and he had to be taken back to theatre early hours of the morning as he was bleeding out, die to health complications he couldn't be put to sleep to have the second lot done so I had to hold his hand while he screamed in theatre while they corrected it and restitched him. I will NEVER get that sound out of my head. EVER.

Tardigrade001

the benefits that you have posted are from third world countries.

Crumbs1

As you say you wouldn't have it done to your children, I wouldn't have it done to mine, all of the medical research that I have come across, hasn't changed my mind.

Instasista

Its not playing dumb, its called having a point of view.

In the many threads about this that I (and others) have been on the answers to the questions get weaker and weaker.

When you get to answers such as

So they don't look different
It has medical benefits to others
and it will hurt more when they are older (strangely enough when they are able to consent)
(paraphrasing)
You know that you have reached the bottom of the barrel.

Boney- are you saying you don't know why circumsion is gone as a newborn rather than at 18? You genuinely claim not to know why it's done young?

"Today 09:12 kalinkafoxtrot45

You wouldn't cut you child's little toe off to satisfy cultural demands, so why do this? Ridiculous and outdated practice inflicted on children who can't object."

There are tribes where fingers are ritually cut. There are tribes where neck braces and bindings are worn. All of these things mutilate children.

I don't agree with any of them. Is it my place to tell them they must stop? To legislate against

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There are tribes where fingers are ritually cut. There are tribes where neck braces and bindings are worn. All of these things mutilate children.

I don't agree with any of them. Is it my place to tell them they must stop? To legislate against them?

No- because that's colonialism. Which to be honest, seems fairly alive and well on this thread of white Christian brits.

How could you watch someone do that to your precious baby. I just can't get my head round this at all.

Instasista

I haven't claimed that I don't know why people do it to young children and babies. I have said that I disagree with it.

But then no-one has given a satisfactory answer as to why its done, or why they wouldn't wait till the person could consent.

But they don't need to provide you with a satisfactory answer. They don't care what you think.

"There are tribes where fingers are ritually cut. There are tribes where neck braces and bindings are worn. All of these things mutilate children.

I don't agree with any of them. Is it my place to tell them they must stop? To legislate against them?"

Certainly bloody is!

Instasista

And the opposite is also true.

We are both stuck in our views. I am happy with how I view myself and how I view those that circumcise, and I suspect that you are also happy with how you view yourself and those that don't agree with circumcision.

the truth is that we are both here to try and change to others POV.

*@BoneyBackJefferson "*But then no-one has given a satisfactory answer as to why its done, or why they wouldn't wait till the person could consent."

In your opinion.

But I believe that 'it would hurt much more, it would have a far higher risk factor, and it would require a longer recovery time' is a more than satisfactory answer as to why we wouldn't wait until our son is old enough to consent.

Boney I think I've said 3 times on this page alone im not an advocate of circumsion. However i recognise that being anti circumsion is a uniquely European, Christian position and I don't rule the world (any more) so try not to spend my time aggressively berating people and demanding answers to my satisfaction under the guise of "trying to change their mind"

Third world countries, BoneyBack?

What a weird thing to say! These are facts based on medical research and are definitely not limited to third world countries, unless you claim that men living in those countries have a different anatomy and physiology.

I'm also not trying to change anyone's mind - everyone is entitled to their own point of view, but I am simply defending myself against people claiming I am 'cruel', 'evil' or 'barbaric' for going through with what is an expected and medically beneficial procedure for my son to undergo in the culture in which I live.

What I object to is the posters suggesting I am a bad mother and even going as far as to say I am committing child abuse by doing this, simply because they wouldn't do it to their own sons, who are from a different religion and culture from ours.

It's not medically beneficial. Apart from anything else, if it was, it would be offered routinely to the parents of new born boys. Which it isn't.

Tardigrade001

You are aware that most of the medical data from WHO is from third world countries and it states somewhere in the blurb that it is not relevant to 1st world countries due to issues within those areas?

Butterfly- if you choose to cause pain to a newborn baby then you are a bad mother. This is non-negotiable in my book. If you don't want to be accused of this then don't do it. Don't blame 'culture', 'tradition' or 'religion'. Other posters on this thread have told you that they have put their baby ahead of all these things. You are choosing to do this to your baby. It is your choice.