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Oops! Just started an accidental neighbour dispute

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tinytoessize4 · 29/08/2008 23:03

Any legal eagles reading? Advice please...

We have a shared passageway only with next door, enclosed at either end, and locked at our end (we did not put the lock on and have evidence to prove this). We thought we owned it outright, but this is not the case as it is a restrictive covenant in the deeds. Anyway, we propsed to move our kitchen downstairs into the passageway area, knockig down our internal wall to create an open room. Yes, we know the planning permission necessary and checked this out. Out of courtesy we informed our neighbour of our pending planning permission application. We have a small son and one bedroom. We only have 2k to do the alterations. I'll continue...we informed her of this, and that she had never utilised the right of access since we had been there and never since the previous owner of our house had been there either. She got a wee bit shirty. Saying that we admitted blocking our passage by placing a lock on the door (!) to which she didn't have a key (why? because she never bothered to get one when whoever put the lock on did it.) and that this was actionable nuisance. grr. she said she wanted monetary compensation for this. We said we didn't have any money. But we do have a shared right of access across the back of her property. We offered to exchange this. She hasn't yet responded. We said it would be best if we met face to face (terrible but we haven't met her and we've been here 2yrs! We were talking by letter). She's a litigation lawyer and though I am a law student, still have a year left. She quoted James v Stevenson [1893] AC 291 at me but I couldn't find it on Westlaw. Where do we stand with regard to the fact the right of access hasn't been exercised by her for about 10yrs? is there any precedent of lapsed right of access? Sorry its long ladies & gents....

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clam · 05/09/2008 20:04

Well, don't take it from us - or rather the qualified types on here who have given you their thoughts. Ask the neighbour.
Oh! Wait a minute. You already have. And she's threatened you with a note saying: 'should you wish to pursue this through a land tribunal - go ahead. if you continue to harass me further with letters i shall pursue this matter also. i do not wish to discuss this with you except through a relevent authority of my choosing.'

tinytoessize4 · 05/09/2008 20:05

i wrote after that jim. check your facts thoroughly.

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Saturn74 · 05/09/2008 20:15

tinytoessize4, I think you may have misjudged the wording of your first letter to your neighbour, and this has served to rile her.

You stand little chance of success if you are relying on her goodwill at this point.

Without having her onside, it seems unlikely that you will be able to negotiate enough to enable you to complete the work for the amount of money you can afford.

clam · 05/09/2008 20:15

Oh, I've had enough of this. You asked advice. You've received bucketloads of it and seem to be choosing to ignore it. Fine. Your problem. You think anyone here is going to suffer from your kitchen not being big enough?

Goodnight.

jimjamshaslefttheyurt · 05/09/2008 20:17

Well I've read the bit after it again now and you still sound pretty confused about the legal position. And she appears to think that she has some rights of way over that land so I guess proving otherwise could end up being expensive.

And the pros on here still seem to think the party wall act is an issue.

She doesn't agree with it. She'll make your life difficult. It will cost you money. For 3ft.

NotDoingTheHousework · 05/09/2008 20:28

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tinytoessize4 · 05/09/2008 20:33

aarghhh none of you listen/ read the thread do you? you do the edited highlights but you don't actually read the thread.

jim - stopping picking a fight now. read thread properly.

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jimjamshaslefttheyurt · 05/09/2008 20:39

I am not picking a fight.

I think that you have very limited chances of this happening; that's all.

A) because neighbour is now hostile
B) because there may or may not be some sort of easement over it
C) because of party wall act
D) because of listed building status
E) and this is the big one- you have a budget of 2 grand to sort A-D AND build the thing.

tinytoessize4 · 05/09/2008 20:40

fine jim, thats your opinion, fine.

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Saturn74 · 05/09/2008 20:42

I've read it all.

You sent a badly-worded letter to your neighbour; it made you sound presumptuous.
That may not have been your intention, but that is how it read.
And it annoyed her.

Now she is getting all official about the situation.

You can't afford for her to be obstructive.
You won't be able to do the building work.

You can delve into the legalities as much as you like, but your neighbour is a formidable opponent in that arena.

NotDoingTheHousework · 05/09/2008 20:42

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tinytoessize4 · 05/09/2008 20:44

humph - thanks. i will bear that in mind.

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WilfSell · 05/09/2008 21:18

oh I'm bumping this just cosI can and to see if there is one poster out there in MN land who agrees that tinytoes has a winning case here...

Twiglett · 05/09/2008 21:46

I always liked an underdog Gin

tiggerlovestobounce · 05/09/2008 21:47

Gin?

ninedragons · 06/09/2008 01:42

I think she was hoping that the wall would fall down from 400 MNers banging their heads against it, and then she could re-build it where she wanted.

She must be buying her law degree from Kambrige University Dot Com.

bettybeetroot · 06/09/2008 09:48

I agree Humphrey re the letter. I have to say, regardless of wether the intentions are reasonable or not, if I recieved that letter from one of my neighbours i would be insulted and p'd off. what happened to a knock on the door and a conversation between two people?

findtheriver · 06/09/2008 10:00

Oh pleeeease can this thread go in MN Classics. It's had me in stitches for days now!

NorbertDentressangle · 06/09/2008 10:21
savoycabbage · 06/09/2008 10:23

Me too! I am loving this thread so much.

WilfSell · 06/09/2008 10:38

It's heartening though that so many of us are well-balanced, moderate, considerate, perfect neighbours on MN though isn't it?

MmeLindt · 06/09/2008 10:39

No advice, just posting so that I can find this thread later. It is rather amusing.

Tinytoes
I do admire your tenacity but I don't think that you have got a hope in hell of getting the work done. Does not sound like your neighbour is going to go for it.

savoycabbage · 06/09/2008 10:41

Not me. I am going to build a playroom on my neighbours lawn this afternoon. I have got two children and they have only got one. So I need the extra room.

findtheriver · 06/09/2008 10:54

I've got a fat arse..... can I extend into my neighbour's garden cos she's a fucking size 8??

ipanemagirl · 06/09/2008 10:59

Sorry, but I feel for the neighbour. What has happened in the last few years doesn't matter so much imo.

My mother has a flat in a large house divided into four. One of the other flats owned a section of her garden but had never used it. But my mother still bought them out to protect her investment.

Just because they haven't had access doesn't mean they don't have rights. It seems perfectly reasonable for her to resist your extension.

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