BOTWATCH 94!! The latest in a long running anti-MLM thread. We may be celebrating the demise of Forever Living MLM in the US but sadly MLM/network marketing is still pulling in victims using lies and manipulation … the botwatching continues …join

[Spongebobette]

Welcome one and all

They think that because it has no aluminium salts in it then it will be fine, but it isn't. Triclosan is a known endocrine disruptor and can increase the risk of breast cancer. I would expect FLs 'experts' to know this kind of information. They clearly don't. This needs to be reported to ASA.

@spanfan hello! I think it’s almost certainly Inteletravel/PlanNet Marketing behind whatever the group she has joined is calling themselves. There may be another travel MLM but IT is rife at the moment and by far the most dominant one. The only other possibility is Travel Counsellors which isn’t an MLM but gets confused with IT sometimes.

It is strange when intelligent people get hooked in isn’t it? MLM recruitment is and has always been about appealing to the emotions and finding a person’s vulnerability. There is plenty of evidence that intelligence is often a poor opponent of those two things. Hopefully her critical thinking will kick in swiftly before too much damage is done.

Thanks. I think its all as this person has been unwell, has a small child, and is unsatisfied in our current career. Shes desperate to get out. Its just so depressing. The fake happiness, power hours and heavily filtered pics are annoying. 🤣🤣

Urgh someone’s found her vulnerability

@spanfan the sad thing is there is very little you can say to get them to change their minds. By the time they are 'launching' their business its too late, they are already pretty suckered in by the love bombing huns.

Headband is keeping the content going on her FB by posting about coffee with her mum, photos of her son, her partner…..

She can’t afford to go quiet on her page can she

@Spongebobette it must be terrifying for Headband if she can’t grab attention in the way she thinks she needs to keep her bizniz going. I think she has been told to lie low or at least stick to Vaguebook posts about “females supporting one another” and privacy busting family posts. It’s certainly not the aggressive approach that is her natural approach to managing the haterz.

I’m sure she is seething that the current problem was not contained by a few flying monkies and a bit of light doxxing and has now become HQ’s headache with a very public airing. Well done Headband, you’ve raised your Forever Living profile alright!

Pretty desperate when you have to resort to a photo of your mum

and last week one of your dad

She's invited me to her vip customer group again, not sure why as I've never been a customer, I'm tempted to join to see what she posts in there.

Back from one of the most amazing Nile cruise holidays, paid for with my J.O.B. and didn't think about my J.O.B. a single time. @Fearless31 I am looking forward to seeing your article. Echoing everyone else's advice not to engage with the FL spokesman, there is no point to be honest. The facts are the facts, he will merely muddy the waters and attempt to head you off.

@MaybeItsJustTimeToStop you will get to see lovely little videos of her talking about and using her ammmaaaaaazing products. The VIP group is all about the products. She does still post some family stuff in there too, but it's mainly where she promotes the garbage.

@ItWasnaMeGuv that sounds lovely. A Nile cruise is on my list. I'm not going to engage with Mr Very Long Title in any way. I am neither impressed nor intimidated by his title. He's either trying to bribe me or threaten me. He will achieve neither.

Imagine being handed an envelope on Christmas morning and expecting a voucher for a spa/restaurant/hotel etc then you open it and it's a membership to BuildABear!

Some women might be hard to buy for Yawn but I don't know anyone who would appreciate that! 😂

A Build a Bear Christmas Voucher - just what I’ve always wanted! The voucher probably has a short life so that means cashing it in quick and having to use the bot potty in January.

Deck the halls with boughs of holly Fa la la la la la la la la-aargghhh.

Omg what a terrible idea for a present!!!!!

At least she’s stopped referring to her clients as ‘badasses’ 🙄

As if Yawn's gym set-up weren't amateur enough (in fact, I think I'm being generous describing it as amateur!) ....she's now posted about the bot potty tin hut blowing over in the wind!!

My God that could do some serious damage with the sharp metal edges 😳
Wonder what insurance cover she's got? If any ....

@OhMyGiddyAunt 😂😂

Regarding insurance:

🎼… the answer, my friend, is blowing in the wind.
The answer is blowing in the wind.🎶

Health & Safety 101. First rule in business, make sure that everything is secured. I’m not sure what wind she is talking about I can only think that one of her clients farted robustly or maybe just leaned against the wall. Alternatively, could have been one of the neighbours who got fed up with the grunts and groans to music coming from the gym shack.

Everything inside will be smashed or damaged

Will Mr Yawn get his power tool out before Storm Austen’s starts brewing on Friday? The Bot Potty shed will be the least of their worries if the roof of The Thatch gets blown off. Blown off … mmm … there’s a Joe Lycett joke in there somewhere.

“I'M SO PROUD I have a client with clicky painful knees, she wants to be able go squat as it's a fundamental functional move that you need later in life, to stave off arthritic pain, enable you to get up & down with ease & keeps you strong. We modified her squats with bands & a static bar for support... annnd...NO PAIN, NO CLICKS”.

Yawn’s confidence about her ability and knowledge of physiology is scary.

Yawn is straying so far out of her remit. Flared ribs can be due to all sorts of reasons and should be diagnosed and treated by qualified physio or, in the case of anatomical cause, with orthotics fitted by a qualified orthotics/physio.
It is a real stretch to believe that her 6 week correspondence course covered even the basics needed to assess and treat the stuff she is claiming. She could be doing serious harm to some of these clients.
A physiotherapist will spend their first appointment doing a full work up and diagnosis before attempting any exercises or therapy. If there is any doubt as to the cause they will refer unless the patient is already diagnosed and is seeing them under prescription. They frequently pick up underlying causes. My cousin was sent to a physio for shoulder pain. The physio found swollen lymph nodes and my cousin was referred straight to hospital. Unfortunately it was too late for treatment and he spent several months in hospital eventually dying of an undiagnosable cancer ( it was so undifferentiated and so widespread they couldn’t work out what sort of cancer and where it had originated). His shoulder pain was his only symptom. But at least he had a chance. Imagine if someone sees Yawn with a niggley joint or condition and she just makes them do star jumps and a few burpees. As an HCP her last two posts fill me with horror. Although I work in a very specialist area of the body, we do a full medical history every time we see a patient. If anything flags up we advices or refer to GP or specialist. We don’t mess around with elastic bands.

@Crwysmam absolutely! Yawn doesn’t know what she doesn’t know and hasn’t had any proper training which would not only teach her to a better standard but teach her to stay in her lane as far as knowledge and skills are concerned. A good PT knows the limits of their knowledge and sends their client back to their GP or suggests they see a physio to assess. This is the client-centred approach which puts the client’s needs and safety over future payments of £40! She hasn’t even worked in a gym post “qualification” to learn from other PTs, all she has done is watched a few YouTube videos and has taken a few multiple choice tests.

I take referrals from GPs and psychiatrists but I don’t claim medical skills I don’t have, I would never advise on medication or try to tackle issues that are not within my skills and knowledge, I refer on. I don’t think Yawn realises how tricky things could potentially get for her if someone is physically damaged on her watch and decides to do something about it.

I find that the more knowledge, qualifications, experience and expertise someone has, in whatever profession or walk of life, the more careful and conscious they are around claims they make

eg a relative who is a professor in his field couches his statements about his area of expertise by saying ‘we think we know that…. ‘ or ‘current thinking is .. ‘ or ‘the evidence suggests’