BOTWATCH 94!! The latest in a long running anti-MLM thread. We may be celebrating the demise of Forever Living MLM in the US but sadly MLM/network marketing is still pulling in victims using lies and manipulation … the botwatching continues …join

[Spongebobette]

Welcome one and all

Can’t wait!

@Spongebobette it's gonna be a good one. I can't wait to read it, too.

Yawn, sweetheart stop telling people you're a size 10. You're clearly not. Your dress size goes up and down more than a yoyo. And please for the love off God stop superimposed your face on different bodies. Just embrace yourself and stop lying.

I saw a cartoon of Jeffrey Archer’s epitaph last week which could serve as a memorial to all the MLM bots we scrutinise:

“Here lies YAWN
and lies and lies and lies …”

The thing is Yawn has reached the point where she’s told so many lies that she’s starting to believe them and wouldn’t know fact from fiction if it jumped up and bit her burning arse (whatever size it is). Unlike JA she doesn’t have a “fragrant” spouse, and if she did she wouldn’t notice because of the overpowering smell of bullshit / Eau d’Ordure which accompanies everything she says and posts.

Omg Bruv has got meta glasses - he’ll be covertly filming non stop and posting ‘hilarious’ videos

I agree with you @Intrepidobserver . I don’t comment on other people’s bodies as a rule and don’t care what size or shape Yawn or anyone else is. However, if I want to use a personal trainer I want them to be all about promoting strength and fitness and having the skills to help me improve both safely. How close either of us is to the current body aesthetic is and should be irrelevant.

I wouldn’t be happy to use a PT who is not prepared to use their own images and who clearly edits their reality because it shows the wrong priorities and makes me question what they’re all about. It just doesn’t say ‘serious fitness professional’, it says “inauthentic MLM-marinated person dabbling in personal training because Loose Women is off air at the moment and the business coaching bombed”.

@HotAsSatansBalls absolutely, Yawn has lost control of what she’s told people. In the more bouyant days of FLP she had a turnover of victims who did not stay put long enough to see the inconsistencies, apart from Botwatchers. Now the only consistent audience she has is Botwatchers and the occasional others not pin down by FLP, who are clearly not convinced either. It doesn’t look like a fun way to live.

You mean Nonce Glasses @Spongebobette ? I had to laugh when I saw this NewsThump article …

If my gym floor looked like this, I'd be looking for a new gym. It looks like a out of bizniz kids soft play area.

It's a terrible cheap floor and just like a kiddies playroom

Yawn’s ‘gym’ is an absolute joke - and it’s so tiny she keeps having to move the equipment around - would you prefer the treadmill to slam you backwards into a wall or into a window / random wall feature? 🤨

Look at all the dents in it! 😱

Hopefully she’s registered with the council that she’s running a gym business from home and has done all the necessary risk assessments
Also the mortgage provider needs informing I think?

@Spongebobette yes good point. She also needs a music licence which I hadn’t thought of. This list (sorry it’s long) seems to be a good list of what she needs to consider and apart from the Ltd company and the insurance she says she’s got, everything else hasn’t been considered.

Gym Business Legal Requirements

To run a commercial gym business from a garden building in the UK, you must navigate several legal, local authority, and regulatory frameworks. While building a personal garden gym often falls under Permitted Development rights, using it as a commercial space with visiting clients fundamentally changes its legal status. The primary legal requirements you must satisfy include:

1. Planning Permission & Local Council Approvals

• Planning Permission: You will almost certainly require full planning permission. Permitted Development rights generally only cover "incidental" residential use (like personal workouts). Operating a business that involves regular client visits, increased vehicle traffic, parking issues, or noise (loud music/dropped weights) requires a change of use application. • Restrictive Covenants: Check your property deeds. Many residential properties have historic covenants that legally ban running a commercial business from the land. • Business Rates: Your local council may assess the garden building for Business Rates if it is used solely for commercial purposes, meaning you would pay business rates on that specific structure alongside your standard Council Tax.

1. Building Regulations

Even if a structure avoids planning permission, it must comply with UK Building Regulations if it is used for commercial services: • Electrical Safety: Any electrical wiring run from your main house to the gym must be installed and certified by a registered electrician (Part P compliance). • Structure & Size: If the building has an internal floor area between 15m² and 30m², it must be built at least 1 metre from your boundary line or constructed primarily from non-combustible materials. Anything over 30m² requires full building regulations approval. • Accessibility: Under the Equality Act 2010, service providers must make reasonable adjustments to ensure their premises are accessible to disabled clients.

1. Health & Safety Compliance

Under the Health and Safety Executive (HSE) and the Health and Safety at Work etc. Act 1974, you are legally responsible for the safety of anyone using your business space: • Risk Assessments: You must conduct documented risk assessments for the space, detailing how you mitigate risks (e.g., equipment maintenance, floor grip, ventilation). • First Aid & Emergency: You must have a fully stocked first aid kit and an emergency action plan. • Fire Safety: You must install compliant smoke alarms and have an appropriate fire extinguisher on site.

1. Insurance Requirements

Standard home insurance will not cover commercial business activities in your garden. You must secure: • Public Liability Insurance: Essential for protecting you if a client is injured on your property or by your equipment. • Professional Indemnity Insurance: Crucial if you are offering coaching, personal training, or fitness advice. • Commercial Property/Equipment Insurance: To cover the gym structure and the high-value fitness equipment against theft or damage.

1. Business Operations & Licences

• Music Licensing: If you play music for your clients (even background music via Spotify or the radio), you are legally required to obtain a TheMusicLicence from PPL PRS for public performance. • Data Protection: If you store client data (names, medical history questionnaires, payment details), you must register with the Information Commissioner's Office (ICO) and comply with UK GDPR. • HMRC Tax & Business Structure: You must register as either a Sole Trader or a Limited Company. Note that if you use the garden building exclusively for business, you may lose your Capital Gains Tax exemption on that portion of your property when you sell your home. • Third-Party Permissions: If you have a mortgage or lease, you must secure permission from your lender or freeholder to run a commercial business from the property.

I’m completely sure she’s got all that covered 😬

I might be missing something now that I am consigned to insta story viewer if I want to see what Headband is up to, but do I detect a bit of a slow down in posts after the charity parasite posts?

There is only one silly post holding a bottle of jizz but I expect to see lots of posts post weekend and at the start to yet another super successful week. I think she may have been told to be careful about what she posts or to lie low. She may be too daft to realise that the problems she has created for her paymasters have not gone away, but I think there is some pressure on her from the “super supportive company she works with”.

or have I missed a load of zany titting about?

There is zany titting about but family-focused and her FL posts are a bit more careful - eg help people ‘become the best version of themselves’

FL have been told about the article and been offered their 'right to reply' this morning. There was a write up on facebook about the deodorant and how it is not something that should be included in a cancer care pack, seeing as how 16 out of the 21 ingredients shouldn't be anywhere near someone going through breast cancer!! Headbands level of ignorance after 13 years is astonishing. It may all be too much for her masters and they may just throw her to the wolves.

Where is this write up on FB?

Can I put a facebook link on here? I'm really bad with techy things 🤪

It has come to my attention that this product is currently being included in some 'cancer care packs' doing the rounds on social media. Let's just take a look at the ingredients, shall we?

Triclosan - known endocrine disruptor and has a plausible biological mechanism for affecting breast cancer - it can increase the risk and is contraindicated especially for ER positive patients (70-80% of cases)

Hexamethylindanopyran - endocrine disruptor currently under CMR reprotoxic review. If confirmed it will be banned. Currently restricted under Annex III entry 336 of the EU Cosmetics Regulations. It is included on the extended fragrance allergen list

Propylene Glycol (PG) - awarded the 2018 Allergen of the Year award from the American Contact Dermatitis Society for causing redness, dryness, itching and rashes. On a healing surgical wound or radiation damaged skin it is significantly more likely to cause irritant or allergic contact dermatitis.

Oncology nursing guidance flags PG, along with FRAGRANCES and ALCOHOL, as an ingredient to avoid in the underarm area during the healing period. This product contains 14 fragrances and alcohols. Breast cancer patients are typically advised to stick strictly to fragrance-free products to protect skin that has been sensitised by chemotherapy or radiation. The combination of all these ingredients makes this deodorant entirely the wrong product to be included in 'cancer care packs' designed for patients with breast cancer.

Please pay attention to the ingredients lists. They really do matter. Just because someone says this is a great product doesn't mean it is.

Excellent

Forever is not going to want to engage. Especially while these two examples exist, posted by bots 2 weeks ago and there is plenty more where these came from.

And I see Forever UK has never removed the Breast Cancer post from autumn 2024 where they align breast cancer to their deodorant and add “This product is not intended to diagnose, treat, cure, or prevent any disease”, but then follow it with hashtags breastcancerawareness, charity and support.

Where Forever Living goes Bots simply follow… it’s not surprising bots think it’s OK is it?

I think this was the post that had to be edited after the charity they had targeted was made aware by botwatchers and told FLP to fuck off and remove reference to them.

The previous post I’ve just posted upthread was made by a Harare/UK based person - do I detect the guiding hand of Bloodsucker in what this bot feels is appropriate to post?

Notice farmasi huns all doing the rounds posting pictures of the top of the pyramids cheques... didn't fl get done for this back in the day? Worth highlighting to ASA?

You can watch the cult day out here 👇

Cult day out

Hi everyone. Dipping my toes back in after some being an avid reader and occasional poster since the heady days of Forever filling stadiums in Dubai etc.

Anyway, one of my ex-colleagues, who is one of the cleverest people I know, appears to to have joined a travel mlm.

Shes not posting the company name but she talks of a £142 business in a box. And whilst not implicitly looking for people to sign up, she has an "ask me about what I do"

Has to be an MLM? Possibly not intellitravel? Do you know of any others?

Hope all are well x