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BOTWATCH 92!! We may be celebrating the demise of Forever Living MLM in the US but sadly MLM/network marketing is still pulling in victims using lies and manipulation … the botwatching continues …

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YouOKHun · 29/04/2026 02:15

A bit of information for those curious about MLM.
Forever Living goes tits up https://www.talentedladiesclub.com/articles/why-has-forever-living-products-closed-down-its-mlm-business-in-the-usa/
The Dream
The Secrets of the Multilevel Millionaires
Recruitment fibs https://www.talentedladiesclub.com/articles/the-recruiting-lies-mlms-tell-you/
Why did they leave MLM? https://mlmtruth.org/2020/06/18/breaking-up-with-your-mlm/
Infographic mlmtruth.org/infographic/

Why has Forever Living Products closed down its MLM business in the USA? - Talented Ladies Club

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https://www.talentedladiesclub.com/articles/why-has-forever-living-products-closed-down-its-mlm-business-in-the-usa/

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YouOKHun · 29/06/2026 14:38

Talking of the rancid coaching pond that they’re all pissing in and then holding each other under the water while pretending to help each other float, I haven’t looked at that predatory pond-life Fierce for a few months. I see I’ve missed absolutely nothing as she has parked the Facebook page where all her activity was. So far I have not found activity on Insta or elsewhere on FB. Am I missing something? It all seems to have stopped in mid April.

I have a vague recollection it’s been mentioned before but there is a new victim (from January this year) posting about her on JustAnswer. It’s the same old story, someone comes along with a fledgling business, which isn’t really a business. She promises something in an email then promises the world via phone or voice note. They pay her a couple of grand and then she does nothing she promised. The victim complains and asks for the money back but she pushes back aggressively and says there are no refunds and demands that they actually need to keep paying her. That’s the stage the JustAnswer victim is at.

We know the next stage is a central pillar of Fierce’s trickery. When they repeat requests for refunds she then tells them they signed up as a business and therefore have no consumer rights. They haven’t seen a contract but when they agree to work with her they are accepting her terms which are indeed available somewhere, this is done very aggressively and from what I understand Mr Fierce has played a role in the intimidation of victims. Then she sits tight and usually they don’t pay anymore but they slink away putting the £2k down to experience. She only needs one of these a month and she can keep the pretend lifestyle going.

I still wonder why she has disappeared from social media. Perhaps she is having one of her extended holidays in the UK and that needs to stay off social media until she has left?

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YouOKHun · 29/06/2026 14:48

I see Fierce is in the UK. She has posted c. 3 times since mid April on the FB page that has the addition of her middle name (same as Bloodsucker’s name for anyone unsure). On the run from something no doubt.

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Spongebobette · 29/06/2026 15:03

What I don’t get is her posting about loving getting dressed up for church on a Sunday and how this articulates with her being a ‘professional witch’

YouOKHun · 29/06/2026 15:57

@SpongebobettePerhaps the silence on the witch front has been about killing off that following? A church community is an excellent source of victims after all. Worth rebranding. Perhaps Fierce Version 3.0 is about to upload, and it’s called Wholesome Church Going Friend. Or perhaps they’ve decided that they really should send their eldest to school, at least for a term or two and have their eye on a nice little Church of England or Catholic infant school (shades of Motherland’s Julia trying to get into the local Catholic school only less subtle in Fierce’s case).

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Spongebobette · 29/06/2026 16:35

She needs to update her profile is she’s on the hunt for church-going victims then!

definitelynotabot · 29/06/2026 17:48

It's Accounts Filing deadline tomorrow for Yawn.

dickiedavisthunderthighs · 29/06/2026 17:53

YouOKHun · 29/06/2026 15:57

@SpongebobettePerhaps the silence on the witch front has been about killing off that following? A church community is an excellent source of victims after all. Worth rebranding. Perhaps Fierce Version 3.0 is about to upload, and it’s called Wholesome Church Going Friend. Or perhaps they’ve decided that they really should send their eldest to school, at least for a term or two and have their eye on a nice little Church of England or Catholic infant school (shades of Motherland’s Julia trying to get into the local Catholic school only less subtle in Fierce’s case).

She's been absolutely roasted on a couple of YouTube videos in the witchy community. They've absolutely got her number. I think you're bang on the money about trying to get the kids into local school.

YouOKHun · 29/06/2026 18:29

@dickiedavisthunderthighs I only recall that excellent take down by one witch who had absolutely got Fierce’s number and used publicly available clips to name her having heard she is litigious and has a copy and pasted contract full of spelling errors and threats to prove it. That video has had close to 12,000 views and 1600 likes, far more than Fierce has managed on the YouTube. It had been available for a year before someone here alerted us and I hope it got a new lease of life from the Botwatchers sharing it.

The timing of that video’s renaissance seems in line with her disappearance but she is probably lying low due to HMRC or something like that. As for the school thing, I think I’m going to start watching her because if she is putting down roots in the UK then that will be tricky for her and fun for us.

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Crwysmam · 29/06/2026 22:11

Justdancevance · 29/06/2026 13:14

Castle is using her kids today to try to sell subscriptions. I hate the way she talks about them, invaded their privacy to sell some shitty subscriptions

Her post also talks about her neurodivergent children rather than child which is a little presumptuous but may be an attempt to conjure more sympathy.

dickiedavisthunderthighs · 30/06/2026 09:57

YouOKHun · 29/06/2026 18:29

@dickiedavisthunderthighs I only recall that excellent take down by one witch who had absolutely got Fierce’s number and used publicly available clips to name her having heard she is litigious and has a copy and pasted contract full of spelling errors and threats to prove it. That video has had close to 12,000 views and 1600 likes, far more than Fierce has managed on the YouTube. It had been available for a year before someone here alerted us and I hope it got a new lease of life from the Botwatchers sharing it.

The timing of that video’s renaissance seems in line with her disappearance but she is probably lying low due to HMRC or something like that. As for the school thing, I think I’m going to start watching her because if she is putting down roots in the UK then that will be tricky for her and fun for us.

There's another really good one by Danielle Ryan from about a year ago. The live chat comments come thick and fast, and are absolutely golden!

YouOKHun · 30/06/2026 14:50

@dickiedavisthunderthighsI will have a look for that video about Fierce.

i don’t want to give any of you the impression that I have been very regularly refreshing the Companies House website in anticipation of Yawn’s filing due today … but it’s still not landed despite efficiency on other fronts from the usual accountants. Perhaps it won’t appear by close of business today which would tell us something about the state of Yawn plc.

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Spongebobette · 30/06/2026 15:54

Meanwhile she clearly has v little to do so has tidied her bedroom ‘deep clean your bedroom so it looks sterile like a hotel’

it’s the first tip she’s giving on how to ‘stay sharp and focused’ - more to follow!!

user1471446301 · 30/06/2026 16:44

The Brown Pile has shifted!

"Boring House". We are acting in the sale of the above property and have received an offer of £732,000 on the above property. Any interested parties must submit any higher offers in writing to the selling agent before exchange of contracts takes place.

YouOKHun · 30/06/2026 17:16

@user1471446301I only looked at that house yesterday and there appeared to be nothing to see! It’s such a significant price drop from what they paid that it must still be a headache for them. I think they may have decamped to that New Town in Buckinghamshire.

I wonder what has happened to their Forever business? It surely can’t keep up momentum if it has disappeared from view and the pair of them are not peddling hard to constantly recruit. I’d love to know what the catalyst was this time last year. Back in January a high up bot commented on Mrs Boring’s “2025 was the worst year of my life” FB post, saying ‘don’t let them get you down’, implying someone had triggered their disaster. It looks like he triggered it himself by overstretching their finances and buying a massive house they couldn’t afford and swanning about in a Bentley. Oh and the disastrous high street shop venture Choose Your Demise.

It’s good to know that the MLM Success Mindset really delivers isn’t it?!

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YouOKHun · 30/06/2026 17:20

£732k subject to a survey? Can you imagine what c.9 months of standing empty will have done to a house of that size and age? The Borings should not relax just yet …

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YouOKHun · 30/06/2026 19:16

Yawn’s accounts are available for anyone interested.

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Spongebobette · 30/06/2026 19:21

am not good at reading accounts but it looks like the director’s loan has increased?

user1471446301 · 30/06/2026 21:06

YouOKHun · 30/06/2026 17:16

@user1471446301I only looked at that house yesterday and there appeared to be nothing to see! It’s such a significant price drop from what they paid that it must still be a headache for them. I think they may have decamped to that New Town in Buckinghamshire.

I wonder what has happened to their Forever business? It surely can’t keep up momentum if it has disappeared from view and the pair of them are not peddling hard to constantly recruit. I’d love to know what the catalyst was this time last year. Back in January a high up bot commented on Mrs Boring’s “2025 was the worst year of my life” FB post, saying ‘don’t let them get you down’, implying someone had triggered their disaster. It looks like he triggered it himself by overstretching their finances and buying a massive house they couldn’t afford and swanning about in a Bentley. Oh and the disastrous high street shop venture Choose Your Demise.

It’s good to know that the MLM Success Mindset really delivers isn’t it?!

It was just a fluke I looked today and it looked like another estate agent had taken it on and managed to get an offer. The 300K+ shortfall will surely bankrupt them if they aren't already.

You are right they triggered their own downfall, even that big fat bloodsucker commented with a red heart on that post so I don't think it was forever related (well it was obvs as they couldn't make enough money to make ends meet).
The Choose your Failure premises was the nail in the coffin how on earth they thought this was a good business idea. I'm banned from the FL pages now when I kept spamming them about Rictus and her 30K Months so i don't know if the borings pop up on any of the league tables or qualified for the cancelled Dubai Rally. Either way they've brought it all on themselves smug greedy pair. Mr Boring a "professional networker millionaires' mentor” my arse.

YouOKHun · 30/06/2026 21:26

@user1471446301 I don’t want to turn this into
an estate agency thread but AI (obvious caveat applies) says the following and concludes the sellers have had the offer for a couple of months. The “public notice rules” just confirms it as a repossession.

BOTWATCH 92!! We may be celebrating the demise of Forever Living MLM in the US but sadly MLM/network marketing is still pulling in victims using lies and manipulation … the botwatching continues …
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user1471446301 · 30/06/2026 21:41

YouOKHun · 30/06/2026 21:26

@user1471446301 I don’t want to turn this into
an estate agency thread but AI (obvious caveat applies) says the following and concludes the sellers have had the offer for a couple of months. The “public notice rules” just confirms it as a repossession.

Makes sense, if in 2 months no one has gazumped the 732K offer they better take it!

Slw1984 · 30/06/2026 21:58

What are the clues for the borings names ?

user1471446301 · 30/06/2026 22:09

The man first name same as the Beatle Mcartney, surname the colour of poo!

user1471446301 · 30/06/2026 22:10

user1471446301 · 30/06/2026 22:09

The man first name same as the Beatle Mcartney, surname the colour of poo!

Wife's name same as Bend it like ....... wife.

definitelynotabot · 01/07/2026 06:37

Spongebobette · 30/06/2026 19:21

am not good at reading accounts but it looks like the director’s loan has increased?

Yes, it has.
It's not a good look is it.

user1471446301 · 01/07/2026 09:34

YouOKHun · 30/06/2026 19:16

Yawn’s accounts are available for anyone interested.

I don't understand how the Yawn's have passed the ""Verification requirements complete" and yet the correspondence address hasn't been updated and is still showing their address as prehistoric remains from 7 years ago, dodgy and there must be a reason for it.......