BOTWATCH 92!! We may be celebrating the demise of Forever Living MLM in the US but sadly MLM/network marketing is still pulling in victims using lies and manipulation … the botwatching continues …

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A bit of information for those curious about MLM.
Forever Living goes tits up https://www.talentedladiesclub.com/articles/why-has-forever-living-products-closed-down-its-mlm-business-in-the-usa/
The Dream
The Secrets of the Multilevel Millionaires
Recruitment fibs https://www.talentedladiesclub.com/articles/the-recruiting-lies-mlms-tell-you/
Why did they leave MLM? https://mlmtruth.org/2020/06/18/breaking-up-with-your-mlm/
Infographic mlmtruth.org/infographic/

2Jags runs the FB page for her stepfathers butcher stall. On his page she says she's already working for him one day a week and jokingly asks if he wants her to do 2 days. 1 day a week (6 hours say to drop and pick the kids up) even on minimum wage and probs cash in hand is probably an extra £300 a month.(exactly the numbers they preach to make a difference).

Sadly she's got the step dad and another poor butcher fella there on the gloop from what they are saying I think it's the c9 so they are promoting a nine day starvation diet surrounded by the piles of meat they are trying to sell!

You can see and hear this on the stepdads current story.

Jeez, is yawn and her creepy cult mates still at it? I had a look at yawn and boy she still heavily photoshops herself

I literally have no words.

Two likes in two hours.

They are all AI generated/enhanced. Not ideal when you're trying to be genuine.

Ha ha - unfortunately they do know her worth and to them - it’s worth zilch

Well, that's true!
Approximately zero people can see the value in what she is offering (because there is none)

I’ve said it again and again - it would make more sense with this model to do you tube and tik tok and make it ad funded and relatively passive - and get a part time normal job on top of it - as wouldn’t take more than 10 hours a week of work

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They're never going to get any reach the way they're doing it. There's not any even basic marketing spend behind it, everyone who Yawn's ever come across hates her so her organic reach is nil; they're going to be stuck at 4 paying members until even those get bored.

I bet they thought they'd be raking it in by now....two years this October since she launched Unlucky Girl I bet she's made fuck all....

Agree with you @Crikeyalmighty

Yawn should add TikTok and a normal job to her list of “challenges”. Her spell on TikTok during her “I was an old soak but now I’ve given up alcohol” phase got her called out very quickly by people who understood about that particular issue and could see straight through her. The other vocal critics spotted the stealth Forever Living promotion. It was a really good example and perhaps her first lesson that a real audience won’t ever find her credible and won’t just comply like downlines. YouTube offers the same scary, uncontrollable feedback. Even if she realised the sense of it she couldn’t risk the kind of exposure that doesn’t affirm her delicate ego.

The feedback from the days when she had a real job isn’t positive, she just seems to upset people and I think she would be both terrified and embarrassed to get a real job. She has boxed herself into a corner where she plays to a shrinking audience of people who eventually either see the light or decide they don’t want to hear and pay for the same thing again. She can’t be happy with living a lie, talking about confidence when her world has shrunk and her options are so limited by her own carefully constructed persona.

Yep you do need a thick skin in ‘proper’ business and learn to ignore criticism to some extent -if unwarranted.

Yawn claims on TT that she's now a level 2 gym instructor, all confirmed via a text message!! Because nothing screams qualified when your gloop selling mate texts you!!

I wrote upthread a while ago about an acquaintance messaging me about ‘jumping on’ her new team. Herbalife. She goes to one of these unmarked nutrition centres that are very woolly and have lots of meetings and the owner gives free health consultations.
She pestered me as well for a while.
The pesterer does know of some of my personal circumstances - I have done complex health issues and a history of anorexia. I’d just come out of hospital when I got the DM and felt like replying I can’t even jump on my bed never mind your team.
I sent a polite decline.
Since then I’ve been getting daily inspo videos all about empowering women and how she thinks I am remarkable. The last one arrived while I had my legs in stirrups having yet another scan. There’s nothing like getting a message about ‘changing your life’ when you are sitting on a cancer pathway.
Oh there is another ‘opp’ she thinks is more my style. Now brace yourselves it’s very unique… a travel scheme.
And I wanted to say I couldn’t even get to frigging Blackpool at the moment, I don’t go abroad and even if I wanted to the only place I vacation at the moment is the bloody hospital.
I got reel yesterday to my bestie.
WTAF?
Now she’s not great with socials and keeps making reels that are like something from Acorn Antiques. You’d have to be over 50 to get the reference.
It has now become a daily source of entertainment. I actually think she’s a bit vulnerable herself in her own way which is why I haven’t blocked her.
But it’s got to the point now where I want to
say these videos, Maureen, I know you are sending them to every contact you have and I’m not special.
They are a fishing expedition.
She was at a ‘network conference’ two days ago in a pub car park and it was just a load of women going on about wealth creation.
It’s just laughable.
Imagine going on Dragon’s Den and saying I’m just here to recruit you. Give me some money.
Next…..

And whilst women go down these routes rather than actual proper ‘business’ they do themselves no favours at all - they are developing no skills apart from pestering, pissing off friends and if it was such a giant money making opportunity people would be keeping it to themselves - they would be better off getting a 2 day a week job and a childminder if they want flexibility’ there are very very few jobs that pay good money and don’t require childcare costs -

Agreed.
I ordered a really lovely headpiece recently (for an event I’m buying a piece for each month) from Etsy. It wasn’t a cheap comb with a feather stuck to it. It’s really gorgeous and the price was great.
If you have a skill you can start a business. A good friend of mine did two decades ago (beauty industry) sold her house to invest in it. It went great guns and eventually she gave me a job which I was in for over a decade. Watching it grow for us sitting in her patio talking about packaging to seeing it lead in its market, it was wonderful to watch.
All these Ponzi Paulines are doing is sending money up the chain. That’s it.

One of the boys we watch, in Yawn’s downline, discovered a talent for making wreaths and has a business doing that now

it’s great to see her do something outside MLM

@ThisJadeBear the travel pyramid scheme seems to be very vocal at the moment. In the end it doesn’t matter which MLM it is, it’s the same process with them all starting with attracting a person who is vulnerable in some way (financially, socially). Then keeping them distracted from the real world be making sure their daydreams are presented to them as within reach if they stick with the “opportunity” and keep “investing”. And stick with other like-minded entrepreneurs, otherwise known as victims. If she is talking to you about another scheme that would indicate that she isn’t making money with the first MLM so is trying an another one. She sounds like she is about to embark upon the classic disaster of hopping from on MLM to another, believing that if the last one didn’t work then she must have been at fault but this time it will be different.

Until she realises that the fault lies with MLM which can only work for a tiny percentage at the expense of people at the bottom, she is doomed. She is a victim really but it gets really hard to see the person plaguing you as a victim doesn’t it?

Exactly - we have one of the most well regarded entities in Europe in terms of quality and consistency in a niche industry and has taken 24 years and a very depressing liquidation and restart at the 4 year point - I’m now working on business plan for £ 600k worth of investment to do a secondary business that ties in with our main one - wearent wealthy , but do ok , but it takes time, persistence, experience and a lot of hassle including doing bits on holiday but on the up side it gave me flexibility, a strong understanding in business , an ability to sniff A bullshitter a mile off , travel opportunities with work and no need to piss off family and friends . These people need to learn there are very few genuine opportunities for massive earnings for average mums with fairly minimal effort unless you are in something that has a very risky element to it like hedge funds or gambling!!

I don’t look at much MLM related any more but it did pop up that Yawn was saying she hadn’t walked her house horse of a dog for days as it’s too hot and is not prepared to get up at 4am.

That just optimises what a self absorbed, narcissistic bitch she is.

You don’t need to be up at 4am to walk your dog when it’s cool but you do need to be up before 7 - and given she has fuck all else to do all day, what’s the problem 🤬

Yawns “fruit salad” approach to business suggests that she has very little understanding of the information she is referencing. She has taken small chunks from whatever “ Business for Dummies” book she has skimmed and tried to use it to teach business. My DS, who has an A level in Business studies, and was planning to continue to degree level but decided that sports analysis was more interesting ( he’s always been a sports stato geek) would take her analogy apart in seconds. Running a business is so much more than selling.

Strategic pricing and word salads is a massive red flag to me as a consumer. All I want to know is the price and when it will be delivered.

Amazon are successful because their pricing is clear and they give you a delivery date or window. There are so many duplicate products, if you’re not in a rush you choose the cheapest. If you want/need it tomorrow then it’s delivery time. 14 days is two weeks it still means that delivery is slow for an off the shelf product. For a bespoke bit of garden sculpture that has been commissioned then I would expect it to take 2 weeks probably much longer.

Yawn is very much an instant gratification buyer who doesn’t research or plan her purchases and her business models reflect this. An example would be if a pet portrait artist came to her for advice she would be unlikely to appreciate that the product takes time to produce and you can’t apply her generic formulas to bespoke products.

She is the perfect example of someone running a business with no tangible product. New business owners may be taken in by her “experience” initially but once they are through the paywall they will realise that she is just a copy and paste artist.

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My FB algo has gone wild over the past few weeks with coaching stuff and it’s made me realise quite how big this space is, and that it’s pretty wild.
We’ve got some relatively big players such as PaintingBot, who is regularly seen throwing shade as others in the field, and has an air of powerful unpleasantness about her. Castle who does fuck all and gets bankrolled by the parents, but still seems to have a devoted band of followers. Fierce who is a hands-down nasty scammer (praying her silence is not golden). That strangely-spelled one with a common bird as a surname. That’s only a few, but Yawn is a very small fish in a big rancid lake of unregulated coaches and unlikely to get any bigger.

Castle is using her kids today to try to sell subscriptions. I hate the way she talks about them, invaded their privacy to sell some shitty subscriptions

The product is her, or rather, a constructed version of her. That’s a difficult sell, especially without the expensive props in the background and the “free” trips to iffy hotels in exotic places that she had with Forever. No wonder she has to launch a different version of her every week.

Today it’s all about relaxing and giving yourself permission to sit about - a strong indication that she is justifying to herself that she has nothing to do. Her confirmation statement appeared today and I’m looking forward to seeing the first set of numbers since she started her coaching grift. I wonder if Mr Yawn is having to feed his earnings into Suckers Expired Ltd? Or is his office full of aloe Vera he has bought himself just to make it look like something is happening?

Absolutely

Yawn constantly ‘leaks’ her current state of mind and her concerns

Today’s ‘give yourself permission to do nothing’ post = I haven’t got a lot to do today but need to post something

the ‘confidence hacks’ were a list of things she’s scared to do

the constant social media reach/ visibility advice is because she gets no engagement herself

she’s an open book