BOTWATCH 91!!! Yes there have been that many threads! MLM is dying but we are still watching and sadly there are still many victims. 99.6% of participants in these “legal” schemes lose money but they are STILL being promised the world by MLM. And

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@MrsDilligaf and not just become employed in a way she and other bots have spent so long criticising but to have to join the workforce at the bottom end with a dodgy looking CV.

I suspect that if her CV was to end up in front of a human being, especially one used to interpreting what people say about their employment history, they are likely to smell a rat. Either they will spot the MLM full stop and see it as a 15 year gap in employment or they will quickly be able to find there is nothing behind the claimed experience and very little that translates to useful skill outside MLM.

Yawn would have to go for role very much “beneath” her. Once in a job her ability to inflate her qualities coupled with her lack of exposure to the workplace, low frustration tolerance, interpersonal difficulties and need for validation would see her lasting at best a few months. I think she knows she just couldn’t cope.

I think that too and her ego couldn’t take just being ‘ordinary ‘ -

Oh, she’s training to become a PT now - I would not be impressed if the person charging me for a weight loss/ fitness programme was shouting so excitedly about finally deciding to actually do some official training on the topic….

Also the photo she has chosen to promote her latest hollow “announcement” is one of the worst put together pieces of marketing material I have seen, for SO many reasons…. And that’s the bit she’s meant to be good at already!

@BrieAndLetBrie I don’t actually disagree with her doing that - get some actual proper coaching from people far more qualified than yourself and maybe build on that in a far more honest way

The ARROGANCE of someone ALREADY charging people for exercise and nutrition advice suddenly boasting about getting qualifications in those areas!!!! Surely you’d gain the qualifications first before telling people you are an expert??!

This is clearly a response to her ex business partner’s comments

Oh and the person coaching her is a FL bot

you couldn’t make it up

She is never ever going to see this through. Close friend is a PT and the training ain’t just about showing someone how to use weights, there’s a huge anatomy and physiology piece as well. And people still won’t pay £25 a month for it.

ah I missed that fact !!

I agree with that on the charging thing - would be better to get out there in real life with marketing some actual classes ‘if’ and ‘when’ qualified

I don't see any evidence that she has the staying power - or even the appetite - to stick with this. It's just another kneejerk reaction to protect her own ego in the face of criticism.

When she talks about investing in herself, I do think she is thinking only in monetary terms, buying a qualification - I don't think she has at all considered the effort it will entail, and probably doesn't care. Now she can instantly say she is "in training to be a PT" which she will milk for all it is worth. An easy "win".

Oh also she’s going to be a Level 4. Let’s see if she hits Level 1 first, eh.

You can get exercise and healthy eating advice from real experts for free on YT

If she wants to become a PT then she needs to do a proper accredited course which can take up to 6 months or sometimes even longer depending on the qualification, but I have a feeling she won't do that, it will be some Micky Mouse half baked online two day course because she needs money quick, not to mention beating her ex business partner at her own game who's had a head start in fitness, it just seems a very childish "I'll show you" attitude coming from Yawn.

Yawn really is spiralling isn't she?!

Panic mode I think

I wonder what Techie really thinks about this situation? I know she has a bit of a downline in awe look about her but she must be wondering whether doing all the donkey work and presumably being subordinate to Yawn and expected to share profits (if there are any) leaves her in a worse position than before. I wonder if ideally she would like to extract herself from the arrangement? She has to be asking herself why Yawn is surrounded by so many toxic people and seems to retain no friends at all. After this last weekend she must be starting to worry surely? With Yawn by her side she will never sort out her FLP debts.

Techie wrote a gushing post to Yawn after she was dumped, I think Techie is slightly in awe of Yawn for some reason, god knows why..

Techie is bang up Yawn's arse. I wonder what Mr Techie thinks of all this?

Yawn's stories this morning say that she's got a four week exercise plan in the BuildABumhole group that has been recorded by a professional. What's the betting she's ripped it straight off YouTube?

It would be interesting to know what Mr Techie thinks wouldn’t it? He was part of FLP too so I don’t know whether he looks back at the brief moment it seemed to be working and thinks that a bit of Yawn’s special fairy dust will bring Techie success at last or whether he was burned enough to want to keep anything MLM related as far away as possible. He seems to be offering a similar service to Techie and has a website which is firstnamesecondname dot com offering services as a digital strategist/SEO/beautiful websites etc. Unfortunately his own website doesn’t appear to work. The Techies seem to have quite a few companies between them that don’t seem to have gone anywhere so I can’t help feeling he might not be objecting to the whole BuildAnArse grift as much as he should!

As for Yawn, I am looking forward to seeing the fruits of her labours laid out in black and white on the CH website by the end of March. I saw an article in the Times about owning a thatched property. I had not realised that a full re-thatch now costs £60k+ due to paucity of raw materials and qualified thatchers. Also, insurance companies who were prepared to insure thatched properties are now writing to owners to tell them they must find another source of insurance. Consequently the cost of house insurance for thatched buildings has risen hugely from c.£600pa to around £2400pa, even the unlisted ones. This will not be music to the Yawns’ ears. Mr Yawn must be under a lot of pressure and I wonder whether he quietly regrets not just the whole false promise of FLP and what it seems to have done to their finances but what it’s done to his other half’s grasp of reality.

I think that’s the problem isn’t it - once someone with delusions of specialness has had a lot of years dolling themselves up, forever doing photo shoots and launches and acting the big boss , they aren’t going to really feel like 18 hours a week at Tescos or care homes and jobs in offices or on reception are relatively sort after these days by people whose CVs will show more ‘teamwork and office ‘ etc - I did worry about this myself as my own job with a ‘bizniss’ working with my H is quite solitary - however at 64 I’m in a different position and would if I retired be perfectly happy doing 18 hours at Waitrose or M&S without feeling I have anything to prove .

Any job without CEO/Director/Founder in the title would be too humiliating to contemplate

And therein lies the problem - to get a job isn't easy. I manage a team of 42 people and for the last job (£30k salary in a local authority) we recruited to we had 60 applications. We whittled the shortlist down to 14, and interviewed 12.

Those applications are scrutinised, interviews are challenging and we have to bring in a strong capable candidate who has demonstrable skills.

Then they go through a probation period, and if they aren't making the grade, unfortunately they are out.

Private sector is obviously different, but even then, getting through to interview is a challenge.

There isn't one bot I can think of who would cope with a 9-5 entry level role, let alone higher. Their transferable skills are questionable, creating a pretty poster on canva doesn't translate to graphic design skills, submitting accounts doesn't translate to strong financial accumem, "building" a team isn't the same as managing one etc etc.

When FLP eventually goes to the wall only the likes of Bloodsucker will be reasonably OK, even Uber will likely struggle. They don't own successful businesses in the traditional sense, as we've seen FLP can and will push you out (can't they Yawn?) if you're naughty. The are glorified pushers of overpriced gloop, unpaid sales reps for stuff no one needs, working for a questionable organisation preying on vulnerable people.

The likes of AHT, headband et al will never ever make a sustainable, reliable income.

grrr I hate MLM with a passion

Well said.

Basically they are unpaid sales reps with no job security and give themselves big titles to boost their egos

no actual training is given by MLMs either, what they label training is just ra ra sessions with a bot slightly higher up the pyramid telling them their ‘story’ or how to build your WDYK list

so when you eventually slink back to a real job you take nothing away with you except shame and blame for failure

Totally agree @MrsDilligaf especially about the idea bots have that they have gained transferable skills (or even superior skills to those legitimately employed) and how similar sounding skills are in no way comparable.

It’s always amazing how “successful” people in MLM display a quite stunning lack of basic skills, knowledge or understanding about how the world of business/work actually works. With not even enough awareness to realise they are revealing their ignorance and not enough reflective skills to question themselves.

just some of the great successes of FLP:
Two jags who doesn’t know the difference between profit and turnover and is happy to share this basic misunderstanding in that shit rag (that will remain nameless).
Yawn who knows nothing about any of the boring but necessary stuff of being a sole trader or having a limited company but thinks she can teach people how to set up and run a business.
Castle who doesn’t know the first thing about running a sustainable business or being financially independent but thinks she has something to teach others.
Uber who saddled herself with an expensive over spec’ed holiday home demonstrating a bull in a china shop approach perfect for bullying downlines but not a good business decision or the marque of a savvy business woman. And there are many more examples too numerous to list. Yawn is showing us in painful real time that she could only maintain a veneer of credibility in front of one type of audience, shored up by Forever Living’s dishonest representation. Once out in the wild her skills, knowledge, success, entrepreneurship etc is very quickly revealed to have no substance at all and this is the case for most of them.

I do agree with you - we are lucky that our business turns over around 2 million but it’s not a high margin business , so we make around £115k - so yes we have that 6 figure income, but as a couple, and it takes 2 of us - I could maybe do a 15 hour a week job on top but then my H likes me to be able to do ad hoc trips or meetings- thinking about it though whilst I don’t have ‘massively high’ tech skills , I do know how to do accounts, do payroll, organise events and tours, facebook market, do print press adverts and file for both limited companies and self employed , read and understand royalty statements and am a good proof reader, so I would probably be of use to someone - even at 64!!! I’m good at admin and organising basically and dealing with awkward buggers!!