Botwatch 87!!! Yes we are still battling MLMs! When 99.6% of people joining MLM are destined to lose money is that an opportunity or a scam?

[Spongebobette]

Welcome one and all to the latest thread in a long series

We are here to expose the huns and bots who lie, exaggerate and prospect victims who don’t realise that the income claims and aspirational lifestyle are unachievable

Urgh

yes, it is dodgy we all know it's not a job. The job fairs description however does spell it out so unless headband and scammy infer otherwise it can be presented as a legit self employed job (or mini franchise as they so often refer to it). I laughed at the way they've added the Paris Trip as a 'reward' when only 16 people from the whole of UK Ireland and Iceland Qualified. Lets hope any unlucky recruits from the fair do their research (or due diligence as the bots like to call it).

Quote from website " FL's business owners – known as FBOs – are independent, set their own goals and build businesses on their own terms. They enjoy wholesale discounts on product purchases and a license to sell internationally, as well as being incentivised with a range of exciting trips and rewards, including Forever Global Rally, which in 2025 comes to Paris and the La Defense Arena. Find out more at foreverliving.com."
https://www.manchesterjobshow.co.uk/sponsors-exhibitors/forever-living/

Job fairs should have a duty of care to ban mlms!

I think they should have to state that they are an MLM very explicitly and the income disclosure should be printed on any distributed information whether paper-based or downloadable. I know the ID isn't the whole story but reading that by FLP's own admission 89% make no money would be useful to know.

It isn't direct selling, it's MLM and that just isn't clear from their description. It sounds like a simple bit of product selling for a mark up and that's a total misrepresentation that will lead people into something that will more than likely damage them. Ideally they'd be banned altogether, I agree @Sugarplum48.

I see Avon is there too.

There should also be a ban on idiots putting posts up saying "manifest yourself rich". Sick to death of seeing these disgusting women doing this. It's predatory behaviour aimed at the vulnerable. SHAME ON ALL OF THEM.

Or on what purports to be a business Insta, photos of you and your husband at a restaurant and of your plates of food

Hugely overdressed for a Wagamama in a shopping centre as well, quite bizarre.

Fierce is spinning a narrative again, on her way back to the UK as family is all she ever wanted anyway. Probably thought that lots of post of her travels on her social media would generate lots of new victims but most people couldn't give a toss about what she's up to. Made her realise all the effort of shitting in trenches and home schooling isn't worth the hassle.

She's also clearly limited by the 90/180 rule for visa-free travel in the Schengen area...

Yes good point

there are some rules she cannot flout

She’s ‘technically homeless’ 😂

motivational message, Homeschool style. I wonder if some of her recruits are losing faith

🌟💪 Don't you dare tell me that you can’t be successful! Don’t you dare say you’re not good enough! Don’t you dare label yourself a failure, and definitely don’t even think about quitting! I will go full-on psycho on you if you do! 😈💀

Homeschool is ridiculous. If she thinks swearing and aggressively demanding that people sign up for her easy scam is going to pull in new victims with FOMO she is much mistaken (going by the lack of interest). She couldn't interest people when she was being faux nice. Now she just looks unhinged and desperate (which she is).

Looking back at the screen shots of her manipulation at FLP and remembering various tales of her bullying of downlines the new persona seems to be a clear indication of what anyone getting involved can expect while she is rinsing them.

Has anyone else noticed that Sleaze hasn't posted on his current FB page since early January? He has added the odd comment to Wig's posts and her posts are always "Wig is with Sleaze" but his photo doesn't appear much and not at events. This is very different from his daily opinionated rants which I would be expecting at the moment regarding his love of the Orange One and of Tate. No posts from him about his scams. Is he having to watch his back?

The fact that he is still tagged by Wig and making the odd comment means he is not yet sleeping with the fishes in a brand new concrete overcoat, but I expect expect his lying low is connected with trying to avoid that fate.

Agree @Twentytwentyhindsight, it's definitely not just a simple Facebook ban. In one of the few 2025 photos in which he appears on Wig's FB (18 Feb) he looks rather diminished.

What does this even mean??

When a community come together buying and selling gold using financial instruments enhancing credit alongside compounding its a beautiful result.

Or this?

delivering projects that are either insurance backed capital protected or longterm with an exciting prospectus over a 5-10 plan

Take some words that sound a bit finance-y, add some words like "gold" and "millionaire" then vomit them all over Facebook using your mum's laptop while hiding in her spare bedroom.

As to what it means. I should think Warren Buffett would be shrugging his shoulders as well @Spongebobette!

He was last seen putting some bits of gold jewellery into a scale on a bizarre budget video IIRC. He did post a rant about people on Lime bikes not being real men a couple of weeks ago, but then took that down. There was the big Biolimitless conference in Dubai last week and they weren't there which was also really odd. I think either he's laying low, or he's finally gone completely nuts, or both.

Mrs Boring Name Bot using International Women's Day to mention the gender pay gap etc. How dare she claim MLM is a solution when it exploits those very same challenges? How dare she say that MLM is completely transparent, with no hierarchy and no barriers to earning money.

Ve been focussing on her content a bit more lately. She is making all sorts of income claims regularly. Another one for the toothless ASA (but it's worth a try).

I've ask her for clarification! pasted my question below in case it doesn't stay up. (other burner accounts are available if not) I hope people can see that 89.8% of people make sweet FA.

Hi xxxxxx please can you provide a link to Forever Living's employee gender pay gap (not FBO's as they aren't employees). I can see than 90% of Forever Living's CEO's and directors are male (including the UK) so I would be interested in it's findings.

I have reviewed Forever Living's Income statement as referenced below (plus link). I strongly disagree that your suggestion that Network Marketing is the solution for Closing the Pay Gap.

"The majority of people who join Forever simply enjoy the products at a discounted price and have elected not to participate in our Marketing Plan. As a result, in an average month, 89.8% of purchasers globally did not receive any meaningful compensation or earnings from Forever".

https://online.fliphtml5.com/aowqh/xlac/#p=3

@Botpotty that is a very good question to have asked. As of one minute ago your post remains but she will delete it and block you as soon as she sees it. She won't engage with sensible and polite questions asked in private either. She is perfectly well aware that she is lying and she has no intention of trying to defend herself and get caught out.

Having come across some of her and DH's victims I am really starting to focus on how they operate. He doesn't really get much stick as he doesn't really make many obvious claims online. She is the day to day engagement with the bots and is pretty outrageous in her claims for the health benefits and her claims about advantages of NWM and the potential earnings. Given that she could not make FLP work on her own (originally) it's a bit rich to claim it's the solution for all women. I don't know why I've missed her off my botwatching list - probably because she is hidden behind his bland persona. They both deserve attention.

Yawn has amused me this morning. She is banging on about her session with a "high up career woman who is climbing the ladder" (just in case you think she is mixing with losers), where she will be doing all sorts of quasi therapy and coaching techniques. There will, she says, be a focus on "energy leaks" and one of the techniques they will be doing is "EDF tapping".

Now, this could be a slip of the tongue and she means EFT but with all the talk of energy perhaps this is something developed by the French energy giant to confuse its customers into overpaying for the management of their energy provision? In which case Yawn is planning to follow their lead and use EDF tapping to extract money from someone who thinks they have an energy "leak" when in fact they should be more worried about the leak in their wallet that means they are handing money to Yawn for absolute horseshit.

Or perhaps she is preoccupied with the looming realisation that a job in EDF's customer disservice department might be a necessity (even if she only lasts three days)?

......and it's gone poof. She's not sent me a message either to clarify. How now Brown Cow, hope you're rattled.

Up until he popped up a couple of years ago as 'man bot' I was unaware of his existence. Like you they are now on my radar as the Flim and Flam couple and I'll not let her shit slide.