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Botwatch 87!!! Yes we are still battling MLMs! When 99.6% of people joining MLM are destined to lose money is that an opportunity or a scam?

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Spongebobette · 08/02/2025 13:57

Welcome one and all to the latest thread in a long series

We are here to expose the huns and bots who lie, exaggerate and prospect victims who don’t realise that the income claims and aspirational lifestyle are unachievable

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thetemptationofchocolate · 28/02/2025 10:45

@YouOKHun 'Commitment and hard work' - two concepts unknown to Castle!

Spongebobette · 28/02/2025 11:55

lol Yawn has done a free call with, guess what, a life coach, (who has clearly not had any success at all) and is planning to help her elevate her brand and ‘coach the shit out of everyone’

it’s the blind leading the blind, isn’t it

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Contraryjane · 28/02/2025 12:57

Her fondness for swearing isn’t very professional.

Spongebobette · 28/02/2025 14:07

She’s very coarse beneath the filters and big smile

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YouOKHun · 28/02/2025 15:25

@thetemptationofchocolate to be fair Castle is very committed to the art of delegation. Also, shopping, dipping into other people's wallets, emoji usage and the development of new Best Friends For a fortnight ever.

YouOKHun · 28/02/2025 16:49

I see Yawn is dipping her toe into "emotional healing". She has had a client (caveat: could be imaginary) with a lot of stress, anxiety and a bereavement who is, naturally, high up in the corporate world but needed more of a therapy approach apparently.

Yawn says that she could have said, 'no I'm not qualified to help you' but she stepped up and did some research on EFT and they both had an emotional release blah blah blah. She chucked some other stuff in the mix and probably spent the time gaslighting the woman into believing she'd received a miracle cure.

She is able to do this for someone else because she is so tuned in and intuitive she says. She then shares the testimonial she claims to have received and plans to do an EFT course.

I wonder what she charges for a session like this? I wonder if she will go down the culty therapy route offered by Castle and Bruv's mate Apprentice Bot? Apprentice Bot is claiming to offer evidence-based and science-backed therapy that is better than all the others. Any therapy that requires an ®️ mark when its name is mentioned is a commercial enterprise with all the problems that brings with it. Anyway, she has "published a paper" which I've read.

I have to say that just because a body of text is laid out in Pubmed style that alone isn't enough to turn the word salad from Woo to evidence. She says some further research is required - too right Hun. Asking a few of your paying customers and fans if they feel a bit better for having spent a few thousand on a collection of misunderstood and Cherry-picked techniques does not equal a randomised double-blind controlled trial with a decent sample size, it just equals a chat in Costa Coffee. She has hooked up with a neuroscientist man-hun who she says is conducting "trials" and so far he says it's "amazing and transformational", so that sounds legit. Perfect for Yawn if she wants to extend the damage she does.

Spongebobette · 28/02/2025 17:03

Good god. Is there nothing Yawn won’t claim
some expertise in?

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YouOKHun · 28/02/2025 19:24

Mrs Boring Name bot making quite a few claims here for the benefits of Forever Living products. Stating it in a jaunty way is no better than vague claims. There is no evidence it has those benefits for anyone let alone the "whole family". Though, of course, she wants a downline's whole family forcing it down and, remember, those [fictional] benefits are cumulative so you need to keep buying it month after month, year after year! Oh, and if you're finding it tough on the finances and with zero benefit for the health of your whole family then tough shit because you are now tangled up in autoship.

Consumer rights? Despite being the customer you have only Bot Consumer Rights on your side which state that whatever goes wrong it's your fault because you didn't read the very small print tucked away somewhere on the corporate website.

Botwatch 87!!! Yes we are still battling MLMs! When 99.6% of people joining MLM are destined to lose money is that an opportunity or a scam?
Spongebobette · 28/02/2025 19:49

That’s interesting- autoship is an MLM tactic but have not seen it used by Forever Living
Is it something she’s setting up off her own bat or is it a new development by Mr Scamopoulos?

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Botpotty · 28/02/2025 20:50

Spongebobette · 28/02/2025 19:49

That’s interesting- autoship is an MLM tactic but have not seen it used by Forever Living
Is it something she’s setting up off her own bat or is it a new development by Mr Scamopoulos?

It's listed as an option "what is autoship" no wonder their garages are filling up https://foreverliving.com/iln/en-gb/forever-living-faq

YouOKHun · 28/02/2025 20:56

@Spongebobette I'm not sure. The Boring Names are utterly ruthless so I wouldn't be surprised if it's their own idea to bind people to the scam. That said Scamaloupolis spends quite a lot of time with the pair of them so perhaps it is something they will be encouraging.

BTW I see Scamaloupolis was appointed a director of the DSA in October 2023 and resigned in May 2024. Why would he have resigned so soon? It's almost as if he needed to make some changes and the same time as Yawn needed to make some changes. Unrelated to the false income claims problem I'm sure...

Looking at the DSA on CH I see they list their DG as that woman who was in place a few years ago (the one who didn't know what MLM was). I thought she was long gone. I am sure there has been some funny stuff going on there. The Daventry HQ of the DSA is a private house - amazing that all those lies and damaging misrepresentations of the industry emanate from the back bedroom of a suburban house.

Also on CH I see that Mr & Mrs Scamaloupolis have set up a management consultancy. Presumably to receive his earnings from FLP.

Spongebobette · 01/03/2025 07:10

Good detective work @YouOKHun !

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OhMyGiddyAunt · 01/03/2025 14:35

Interesting that, after peddling C9s and aloe jizz for weightloss and dramatic transformations in the past, Roomie has posted today about currently resorting to weightloss injections.

Angrymum22 · 01/03/2025 14:38

Yawn is such an idiot. She admits to being out of her comfort zone and has been doing some emotional support for a “client”. She really needs to understand client confidentiality rules. Having just described her client she then goes on to explain hiw she has helped her and exposed huge amounts of detail on a public forum.
If she’d been helping me I’d have made damn sure she was in tears after breaching confidentiality. That’s why you need a professional qualification to offer therapy and counselling. Being a paid shoulder to cry on brings with it certain rules. You wouldn’t go online and tell everyone if it was a close friend, you definitely shouldn’t if someone has paid for you to listen to them.
Apart from the death of her dogs she has no experience of bereavement of immediate family or the process. Even if she had, your own experience doesn’t qualify you to deal with bereavement of others. You can empathise but you shouldn’t direct. She is in dangerous territory. It’s also despicable charging someone for her services.

OhMyGiddyAunt · 01/03/2025 16:01

Yawn's going to come unstuck with her unqualified offerings one day.

She's playing with fire.

YouOKHun · 01/03/2025 16:42

@Angrymum22 couldn't agree more. We shouldn't be hearing anything about her clients' problems or any details that make them identifiable. She should already be registered with the ICO as a coach but isn't despite having personal details of clients, and now clearly she is party to much more personal detail. No insurance either.

If someone has got some specific difficulty and they are sharing personal things with her beyond the "business" coaching, she will only show any [faux] empathy while they are praising her or saying they feel better. But if they don't affirm her by being instantly transformed by her then what's the betting she turns on them and uses whatever they disclose against them? Even simply blocking someone who she's been "therapising" could have consequences if they are already struggling.

People often initially feel better just by speaking about their problems and by resolving to seek help but that disappears once they are doing some quite challenging work to overcome difficulties. So I imagine Yawn has experienced a coaching client offloading personal stuff and feeling better for it. It has nothing to do with Yawn's input and may not be sustained, at which point, if the client has more sessions, Yawn is going to get arsey and start gaslighting her about her lack of progress (that Yawn can then use as content). Or perhaps Yawn will start blabbing on or offline in more detail about her "success" or moaning about her client's "failure".

The joke is that as counsellor and psychotherapist are not protected titles she can go right ahead and do her worst as a therapist. If it all goes wrong it would be quite difficult to do anything about it. If I made a mistake as a therapist it would be comparatively easy to sue me by going to the Professional Standards Authority and my professional body, which is absolutely as it should be if I get it badly wrong.

A professional qualification is as much about knowing your limits and what is outside your own skills and competence in order to prevent harm to someone else. It's the client that matters and in private therapy you refer on to someone else or back to the GP if you know you don't have the right skills or knowledge, even if it means you're saying goodbye to a few thousand pounds by "losing" the client. Same with a credible business coach who would not stray into clinical problems. However, whether it's coaching or therapising it's all about Yawn and what's good for her, what makes her feel special and what's good for her battered wallet. This makes her very bad news for someone who puts their trust in her at any level, but particularly if they have a mental health difficulty or something like a bereavement.

Spongebobette · 01/03/2025 17:07

Lovely to see Speccie’s FB is all about the wreaths she’s been making and selling

I hope she’s charging enough to cover materials and her time and that she can make a bit of money

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Spongebobette · 01/03/2025 17:13

YouOKHun · 01/03/2025 16:42

@Angrymum22 couldn't agree more. We shouldn't be hearing anything about her clients' problems or any details that make them identifiable. She should already be registered with the ICO as a coach but isn't despite having personal details of clients, and now clearly she is party to much more personal detail. No insurance either.

If someone has got some specific difficulty and they are sharing personal things with her beyond the "business" coaching, she will only show any [faux] empathy while they are praising her or saying they feel better. But if they don't affirm her by being instantly transformed by her then what's the betting she turns on them and uses whatever they disclose against them? Even simply blocking someone who she's been "therapising" could have consequences if they are already struggling.

People often initially feel better just by speaking about their problems and by resolving to seek help but that disappears once they are doing some quite challenging work to overcome difficulties. So I imagine Yawn has experienced a coaching client offloading personal stuff and feeling better for it. It has nothing to do with Yawn's input and may not be sustained, at which point, if the client has more sessions, Yawn is going to get arsey and start gaslighting her about her lack of progress (that Yawn can then use as content). Or perhaps Yawn will start blabbing on or offline in more detail about her "success" or moaning about her client's "failure".

The joke is that as counsellor and psychotherapist are not protected titles she can go right ahead and do her worst as a therapist. If it all goes wrong it would be quite difficult to do anything about it. If I made a mistake as a therapist it would be comparatively easy to sue me by going to the Professional Standards Authority and my professional body, which is absolutely as it should be if I get it badly wrong.

A professional qualification is as much about knowing your limits and what is outside your own skills and competence in order to prevent harm to someone else. It's the client that matters and in private therapy you refer on to someone else or back to the GP if you know you don't have the right skills or knowledge, even if it means you're saying goodbye to a few thousand pounds by "losing" the client. Same with a credible business coach who would not stray into clinical problems. However, whether it's coaching or therapising it's all about Yawn and what's good for her, what makes her feel special and what's good for her battered wallet. This makes her very bad news for someone who puts their trust in her at any level, but particularly if they have a mental health difficulty or something like a bereavement.

It’s scary isn’t it.

puts me in mind of a first aid course I did years ago where the instructor’s main message was to not wade in and intervene beyond the basics - airways, breathing, recovery position. You can do a lot of damage thinking you have some knowledge.

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BSintolerant · 01/03/2025 19:03

Spongebobette · 01/03/2025 17:07

Lovely to see Speccie’s FB is all about the wreaths she’s been making and selling

I hope she’s charging enough to cover materials and her time and that she can make a bit of money

She could make a fortune selling her wreaths when Forever Living becomes Forever Deceased.

YouOKHun · 01/03/2025 19:16

@BSintolerant yes. Imagine if she could make them in letter shapes. A nice set of three wreathes in the shape of an F, B and an O. If she has any twigs left over she can patch up Yawn's roof with them.

Anyway, I hope Speccy makes a go of her wreath making. I suspect she has been looking for something for a while that would allow her to back away from FLP without losing face. Maybe the house sale was a reality check about just how much she paid to play and how little she has to show for all that effort.

Spongebobette · 02/03/2025 08:15

YouOKHun · 01/03/2025 16:42

@Angrymum22 couldn't agree more. We shouldn't be hearing anything about her clients' problems or any details that make them identifiable. She should already be registered with the ICO as a coach but isn't despite having personal details of clients, and now clearly she is party to much more personal detail. No insurance either.

If someone has got some specific difficulty and they are sharing personal things with her beyond the "business" coaching, she will only show any [faux] empathy while they are praising her or saying they feel better. But if they don't affirm her by being instantly transformed by her then what's the betting she turns on them and uses whatever they disclose against them? Even simply blocking someone who she's been "therapising" could have consequences if they are already struggling.

People often initially feel better just by speaking about their problems and by resolving to seek help but that disappears once they are doing some quite challenging work to overcome difficulties. So I imagine Yawn has experienced a coaching client offloading personal stuff and feeling better for it. It has nothing to do with Yawn's input and may not be sustained, at which point, if the client has more sessions, Yawn is going to get arsey and start gaslighting her about her lack of progress (that Yawn can then use as content). Or perhaps Yawn will start blabbing on or offline in more detail about her "success" or moaning about her client's "failure".

The joke is that as counsellor and psychotherapist are not protected titles she can go right ahead and do her worst as a therapist. If it all goes wrong it would be quite difficult to do anything about it. If I made a mistake as a therapist it would be comparatively easy to sue me by going to the Professional Standards Authority and my professional body, which is absolutely as it should be if I get it badly wrong.

A professional qualification is as much about knowing your limits and what is outside your own skills and competence in order to prevent harm to someone else. It's the client that matters and in private therapy you refer on to someone else or back to the GP if you know you don't have the right skills or knowledge, even if it means you're saying goodbye to a few thousand pounds by "losing" the client. Same with a credible business coach who would not stray into clinical problems. However, whether it's coaching or therapising it's all about Yawn and what's good for her, what makes her feel special and what's good for her battered wallet. This makes her very bad news for someone who puts their trust in her at any level, but particularly if they have a mental health difficulty or something like a bereavement.

How does this help someone who is struggling with their mental health??

Botwatch 87!!! Yes we are still battling MLMs! When 99.6% of people joining MLM are destined to lose money is that an opportunity or a scam?
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Spongebobette · 02/03/2025 10:00

Oh bloody hell, Castle can’t help herself can she

Shes set up a new Instagram account about smallest turret and the pony

nothing is private is it, and her children exist to provide social media content

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YouOKHun · 02/03/2025 13:27

Just saw that @Spongebobette! I see she's gone the full livery option for the pony which is good news for the pony's care but bad news for the senior Castles' bank balance. I was worried she was going to have romantic ideas about looking after the pony herself until she got bored. I hope the smallest turret finds a real affinity with ponies and thrives but I wish she'd let him do it in private.

YouOKHun · 02/03/2025 13:38

And agree with you about that Yawn meme. It's the same old same old MLM manipulation:

"Your MH not doing well? If my solution to your anxiety/mood/stress/bereavement isn't working for you then you're not doing it right and you deserve your struggles. If you can't affirm me by providing "positive" content for me to use then you're faulty and you're toxic. I only want to coach you if you can put on a relentlessly positive front. Don't fail just like someone who isn't being a product of the product and recruiting enough relatives. This isn't about you, it's about how I look compared to you. So be positive and grateful to me, but don't try and outshine me".

Botpotty · 03/03/2025 14:14

oh dear Yawn's had a hellish 4 days being ill, someone didn't manifest properly did they what happened with "todays gonna be a good day, I'm gonna have an awesome day".

LOA you get what you deserve Yawn, listen to the universe telling you, it's sick of your shit.

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