No cash accepted

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I've posted about this before and it is getting worse. Takes kids into London today to spend some pocket money off grandparents. Goes yo Pizza Hut and its card only them the glossier shop and they don't Even have tills 😡 you put details into the iPad and pay contactless. I don't understand how all these business are getting away with refusing to accept cash.

You saved money buying tickets though, if you had used your card you would have been charged adult fares for your DC.

Apparently starting from £3.99 a month according to their website https://www.gohenry.com/uk/pricing/ am I not understanding it right? and my point about numeracy and budgeting is about learning them and develop them in the first place: when a child is young and learning about money I believe it helps them to see how much money they actually have physically, know if they have enough, work out change etc.

I’d prefer we to say we were discussing rather than arguing.

But if you want to argue about it then my argument is this.

Skill set from using cards:
Budgeting.
Value of items.
Adding and subtracting decimals.

Skill set from using cash:
Budgeting.
Value of items.
Adding and subtracting decimals.
Adding coins values.
Understanding that one coin can have the value of multiple of another coin.

They are not the same skill set.

I prefer to use a card but for children using coins adds to their mathematical understanding and skills.

You'd be surprised at how many apparently functional adults don't understand adding coins values nor how to use multiple coins to make up the value of another.

I spent several years working in a "corner shop" as a teenager. I was constantly amazed at the number of people who'd just hold out a hand full of random coins when buying something or even hand over their purse/wallet for me to take what I needed, or default to always handing over a large note despite having smaller notes and change.

There were even people who couldn't fathom that a piece of paper was worth a lot more than a shiny metal coin!

Some young and old, and people with learning disabilities/difficulties, or those easily flustered or confused really don't have a grasp of physical money either and for those, electronic banking is far better as they're less likely to be conned, pay too much, or lose it.

No, tickets were more expensive due to zones needed. I think I needed zones 1-2 but tickets are set at 1-4 so it was cheaper to pay as you go. It would have cost more to buy tickets.

but for children using coins adds to their mathematical understanding and skills
I quite enjoy it when I give a youth a strange value - say £5.03 to pay a £4.83 bill - and they look at me like I've got two heads. Then the computer works out for them that the change is a nice, round 20p and you can actually see the lightbulb switching on! They have lost that arithmetic skill, which used to be commonplace.

However if I try that trick in the self service machine, it will spit out four 5p pieces.

prefer to use a card but for children using coins adds to their mathematical understanding and skills.

Yeah we have maths lessons for that. We don't need to teach them with coppers in the corner shop, it's the 21st century.

I suspect you didn’t enter the right information into the machine as this is not correct.

😂 I used to live in London and am able to input the zones I wanted into the machine. It now tells you if pay by tapping is cheaper or if a ticket is cheaper. Tapping was cheaper and this was backed up by the amount taken by my account. My “children” do not count as children in London transport terms as over 12.

@SuzieNine they’ve made it cheaper to do contactless to encourage it - see image attached. I’m not making this up!

Under-16 child fares are half price. You’re getting confused with the free travel for under-12s.

@SuzieNine Child off peak zones 1-2 £3.30 compared to £2.80 for contactless, see prices above. I’m not thick, but thank you for schooling me inaccurately 🙄

@TeenLifeMum wow that’s crazy, so half price child fares are still more expensive than full adult fares paid contactless!

Ours just have old Oyster cards and whenever we go to London we just ask an attendant to put a child traveller concession on them. It lasts a couple of weeks I think so a bit of a pain as you have to ask each time.