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PREMIUM BONDS DEC 2024 .......

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Blondeshavemorefun · 21/11/2024 14:55

New thread and I've been asked to give some basic info. Feel free to add stuff

PB have been about since 1957

Been 30yrs (April 2024) since a million was then the highest prize

nsandi-corporate.com/news-research/news/30-years-premium-bonds-ps1-million-jackpots#

Each bond is £1. You have to buy in minimum of £25 so means 25 chances to win every purchase

Odds of winning £1 million on Premium Bonds at face value are 1 in 2,489,469,818 if you have £25 in PBs.

However most people have more than £25 so the odds depend on how much you do hold.

If you have £100 the odds in any given month are 1 in 49,563,028

£1,000 in PB the odds are 1 in 4,954,991

£50,000 in PB the odds are 1 in 96,839

To win anything odds are 1 in 22000

So providing you have more than £100 you have better odds than winning the lottery 😄

And obviously far better than the lottery - you don’t lose your stake !!!!!!

Bonds have to be in for a clear month before going into the draw

If you want to cash bonds in then usually takes 3 days to go into your account

Winnings can be reinvested if holdings are under £50k

This means they will go into the next months draw without losing a month

Or sent to named bank account if winnings take over FH /want winnings in bank account

More info here

www.moneyhelper.org.uk/en/savings/types-of-savings/premium-bonds

The best time to buy premium bonds is on the last day of the month, as this means they are only held by NSI for one month and one day, without being entered into the prize draw.

PB to me is the fun and thrill each month of what if I win big and a millionaire - to then hoping win thousands to a day or two later being grateful if win £25😂

I have nowhere near the maximum and probably never will unless I win £50k + on pb

But only takes one £1 to win that million !!!

I love seeing the low holdings win high amounts

We've seen over the years £100 win £100k and £50 win £25k and even £1 won £10k

Maximum is £50k per person so some do have all for family- mum dad and 2 kids so £200k etx

Those on the thread are varying from few hundred /few thousand - to 20/30k to full holdings of £50k

Everyone is welcome to join in whether small or full holdings

One would expect if had full holdings of £50k to win something every month and think over the year to earn the same as if in a high interest account to win around £1925 in prizes

If have £5k average luck is £175 winnings a year

Obviously some people have better 'luck' than others and some worse - Ie full holdings and not winning anything a month or two or even longer

PB odds calculator below

moneymarvel.co.uk/calculators/premium-bonds/

Or this one is quite good as shows the interest rate of the winnings - obv anything over 5% is good as if in an account you wouid be taxed so be more like 3.75%)

In August 2023, NS&I hiked the prize fund to a 24-year high of 4.65 per cent from 4 per cent, a level not seen since 1999.

But it has been steadily falling since, with the last cut to the prize fund to 4.4 per cent from 4.65 per cent in March

From Dec 2024 it will be at 4.14%

www.candidmoney.com/calculators/national-savings-premium-bond-calculator

From google (august 2023) - The consistent winners are the 1.16 million people who have the maximum £50,000.

They hold almost half of all premium bonds and, at current odds of 1/22000 can expect a monthly stream of tax-free prizes: two a month and three almost every other month, 28 or 29 a year totaling £1,925

From google (Jan 2024) Tho equally With Premium Bonds, for every person who wins £1 million, a lot of people have to win nothing. So the median average will always be lower than the mean average.

This means that, with average luck, most people will win less than the prize rate each year, regardless of how many bonds they hold

To work out your own personal % rate

Take your total prizes, divide it by the number of months and x by 12.

Then divide that figure into your total holding and x 100.

So say £500 prizes in 6 months / 6 x 12 = £1000.

Holdings £30,000 = 1000/30000 x 100 = 3.33% interest rate.

But many on here do have £50k and then consider moving it to an account that pays 4% if their bonds aren't doing very well as would then def get extra money

But remember savings /interest get taxed

PB and their winnings don't

So they do dither whether to pull out from pb and put in high interest account if not winning anything so that they will def earn x amount of interest

But then lose the what if won a million or £100k

If you have PB but not sure if you have ever won esp if moved about a lot

you can write to NS&I. Include these details in the letter:

	Current name

	Current address

	Premium Bond holder number 

	All previous addresses where you might have registered bonds

	Your signature 

You can send your letter to:

NS&I,
Sunderland
SR43 2SB.

There are 2 apps afaik

Cream - prize checker and if won previous month will show a pic - which we all get excited over 😂😂😂

Blue - the app its self works but the showing early often doesn't work for me but those who reinvest their winnings say it shows if won the day before app shows 🙀🙀🙀

Seems the higher the winnings the earlier it shows and can be from 6pm the night before the app shows

And to confuse things I have a White app that is a bookmark - which shows info/list 😄😄😄

Now this has been debated on MANY times but seems to be correct

When do we find out if going to get a visit from AM 😂

The two winners of 
the £1million prizes will be contacted by Agent Million (AM) 😂😂 the day before the first working day of the corresponding month.

There may however be 
exceptions to this, such as when the first working day of the month is a 
bank holiday, for example.

So

Day before first working day - Millionaire knock /call

First day of working month - list showing all winners million to £1k winners - which I always put up for those who can't find it

Day after first working day , including weekends - cream app showing all winnings

You can also check to see if have won via this link with your holders number

www.nsandi.com/prize-checker

Hopefully I've covered everything

Good luck one and all 😄

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BuyingButterAndSatinSandals · 08/12/2024 14:21

AprilShowerslastforHours · 07/12/2024 13:35

Slightly confused. The cream app said I had five prizes but the letter I just received only mentioned the highest value win. Does that mean the other four are not winners? (The highest was £500 so not a major win.)

Am I missing something or can you not just check using your holder's number here?:
Premium Bonds Prize Checker | Check if you have won | NS&I

AprilShowerslastforHours · 08/12/2024 14:41

BuyingButterAndSatinSandals · 08/12/2024 14:21

Am I missing something or can you not just check using your holder's number here?:
Premium Bonds Prize Checker | Check if you have won | NS&I

Thank you! I’d totally forgotten you can check them online. What an idiot! 😆

Georgieporgie29 · 12/12/2024 09:26

I have finally won as per the cream app 🎉 the winnings are still not showing in my acct on the blue app. Am I right in thinking they should be in by now and I need to ring them?

Blondeshavemorefun · 12/12/2024 10:21

Georgieporgie29 · 12/12/2024 09:26

I have finally won as per the cream app 🎉 the winnings are still not showing in my acct on the blue app. Am I right in thinking they should be in by now and I need to ring them?

Yes they should show

Mine do the day it happens

But never shows the night /evening before for me even as I reinvest, but does for many others

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Georgieporgie29 · 12/12/2024 10:48

@Blondeshavemorefun thank you. I’ve just spoken to them and apparently I don’t have it set to re-invest and they have sent me a cheque out, however, they said I should have received that by now so they’ve cancelled it and will pay it into my bank and re-invest any future winnings.

Blondeshavemorefun · 12/12/2024 17:43

Georgieporgie29 · 12/12/2024 10:48

@Blondeshavemorefun thank you. I’ve just spoken to them and apparently I don’t have it set to re-invest and they have sent me a cheque out, however, they said I should have received that by now so they’ve cancelled it and will pay it into my bank and re-invest any future winnings.

Fab

A lot of my winnings this year has been reinvested from wins rather then Older bonds

Plus obv they go straight into the draw rather then wait a month

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BuyingButterAndSatinSandals · 12/12/2024 19:58

Still 21 sleeps to go folks!

IDareSay · 12/12/2024 20:21

It’s the mid month doldrums but at least we have Christmas to distract us 🧑‍🎄

Eaumyword · 13/12/2024 08:52

Lots of Christmas telly to pass the time!

lovenaturelovelife · 13/12/2024 20:23

Which date people usually set up the standing order for PBs?

DrMadelineMaxwell · 13/12/2024 22:33

After payday but before the end of the month so you aren't waiting as long for them to be entered into the draw.

lovenaturelovelife · 13/12/2024 23:02

@DrMadelineMaxwell Thank you,

Blondeshavemorefun · 15/12/2024 09:29

Interesting facts @CaveMum Thanks

Think we are split on here for those who obv Have money so have £50k x 234 in their family

To those with £20/30k , £10k , few thousands or under £1k but trying to build up

Obv the higher tax rate payers /richer ones max out their isa first, then have full pb or near them

where I just put in £25 here and there and reinvest any winnings and then take out in jan to pay my tax bill and start again

No I don't think I will ever win a million or even thousands

But I do ok on £25 and odd £100

But there is always the what if 😂😂

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greengreyblue · 15/12/2024 11:07

I’m definitely a thrill seeker but also love the other points mentioned in that article; instant access, risk free, better than low interest in bank.

paranoidnamechanger · 18/12/2024 07:24

I found that article fairly interesting but also annoying in a ‘don’t tell me what to do’ kind of way. Martin Lewis was also irritating the other day when he said he felt it “was a bit strange” that parents buy PB’s for their kids.

user9086572 · 18/12/2024 09:10

paranoidnamechanger · 18/12/2024 07:24

I found that article fairly interesting but also annoying in a ‘don’t tell me what to do’ kind of way. Martin Lewis was also irritating the other day when he said he felt it “was a bit strange” that parents buy PB’s for their kids.

Ive just asked DSis to buy premium bonds for the teen DC for Christmas.

If she gives them £25 cash it will get frittered on macdonalds and other junk.

If she puts it into their savings account it feels like a bit of a non gift (and will also get frittered away)

If she buys them £25 of premium bonds they are unlikely to touch them. They will sit there and may win something.

ThisOldThang · 18/12/2024 09:37

user9086572 · 18/12/2024 09:10

Ive just asked DSis to buy premium bonds for the teen DC for Christmas.

If she gives them £25 cash it will get frittered on macdonalds and other junk.

If she puts it into their savings account it feels like a bit of a non gift (and will also get frittered away)

If she buys them £25 of premium bonds they are unlikely to touch them. They will sit there and may win something.

By my calculations they'd have a 76% chance of winning nothing in 20 years of ownership...

paranoidnamechanger · 18/12/2024 09:38

ThisOldThang · 18/12/2024 09:37

By my calculations they'd have a 76% chance of winning nothing in 20 years of ownership...

Sure but there’s a fun element to it.

RubbishDay · 18/12/2024 10:14

I waste so much money on the lottery with the 'chance' of winning big. At least with premium bonds I keep the capital and still have that anticipation 🤞of winning.

I think if you are of the mindset that you must get the maximum guaranteed return for your savings then PB isn't for you (and the NS&I website have a list for 'isn't for you' if people want guarantees etc).

Arghhh why is the monthly wait feel so long 😬

ThisOldThang · 18/12/2024 12:46

paranoidnamechanger · 18/12/2024 09:38

Sure but there’s a fun element to it.

Hmmm. I think it would take 50 years to just have an even chance of winning one prize of £25.

I seriously doubt there's going to be any fun involved.

£275 appears to be the minimum holding that 'guarantees' a prize during 5 years of ownership.

https://www.moneysavingexpert.com/savings/premium-bonds-calculator/

Key result
With average luck, you would expect to win roughly £0 over 5 years if you have £250 of Premium Bonds.

Key result
With average luck, you would expect to win roughly £25 over 5 years if you have £275 of Premium Bonds.

If you invest just £25 more, your winnings should double.

Key result
With average luck, you would expect to win roughly £50 over 5 years if you have £300 of Premium Bonds.

There seems to be very little point holding anything less.

Blondeshavemorefun · 18/12/2024 14:58

I bought for dh grandson Think he has either 25 or 50. And he won £50 after having them for 9/12mths

He can Happen

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Elphamouche · 18/12/2024 15:42

ThisOldThang · 18/12/2024 12:46

Hmmm. I think it would take 50 years to just have an even chance of winning one prize of £25.

I seriously doubt there's going to be any fun involved.

£275 appears to be the minimum holding that 'guarantees' a prize during 5 years of ownership.

https://www.moneysavingexpert.com/savings/premium-bonds-calculator/

Key result
With average luck, you would expect to win roughly £0 over 5 years if you have £250 of Premium Bonds.

Key result
With average luck, you would expect to win roughly £25 over 5 years if you have £275 of Premium Bonds.

If you invest just £25 more, your winnings should double.

Key result
With average luck, you would expect to win roughly £50 over 5 years if you have £300 of Premium Bonds.

There seems to be very little point holding anything less.

Edited

DH has held £50 since August/september. Won £50 this month.

It’s just a bit of fun and you never know!

BuyingButterAndSatinSandals · 19/12/2024 16:51

15 sleeps till the 3rd, 14 if you stay up late on the 2nd for the results. We need a Premium Bond Advent Calendar or words for The Fifteen Days of Premium Bonds: 'On the first day of Premium Bonds Agent William gave to me...'

Did we finalise the dates for AM visiting and the HVW List?

paranoidnamechanger · 19/12/2024 16:56

HVW list is up on Thursday 2nd Jan.

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