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How will I manage as an older single person once kids have left

228 replies

Dogmam9273 · 05/11/2024 08:26

I'm currently married with two teens. Wanting to separate but have felt trapped financially and with the kids as I couldn't have provided for them if i was single as I earn minimum wage, husband a high earner.
Very soon I will file for divorce, won't get any money out of it as we have hardly any savings but i will be able to buy a small apartment /house outright so will be mortgage free.
I work full time on minimum wage, can't see this ever changing, if anything i need to work less. I have chronic painful conditions , depression and anxiety (although that may go away once apart from husband) I have 2 elderly parents that I will be caring for as I'm an only child.
I know I can claim UC whilst children are with me /in education but what about when they are adults?
My income is £1500 which won't cover my outgoings or enable me to live any kind of life that I desperately crave. I feel so trapped and can't see a way out of my situation.
How do older single people manage financially? Especially if they have health conditions?

OP posts:
gamerchick · 05/11/2024 12:46

Dogmam9273 · 05/11/2024 08:36

@flipdiddle81 which part doesn't make sense?
I said I won't get any actual cash to be able to live off but we will be able to sell our home and split it 50/50 so I will be able to buy a small property

And you won't have rent or a mortgage. You'll be able to give off 1500 quid OP.

CherryKefir · 05/11/2024 12:46

EducatingArti · 05/11/2024 12:36

Also, if you own a home without a mortgage you do have to budget for maintenance/repairs which you don't if you are renting. Also things like replacement of white goods.

There are many outgoings if you own a home, not mentioned here, if you're living there for 30+ years.

Decorating - inside and out using tradesmen.
New carpets or flooring
Eventually perhaps replacing bathrooms etc as well as white goods.
Maintaining a garden

CherryKefir · 05/11/2024 12:50

Xenia · 05/11/2024 12:38

£1500 a month is more than those of us who will just have the state pension (which is about £732 a month). If I reach age 67 retirement age I will carry on working so loads of tax will then also be taken off my state pension but there is no other choice.

Good luck. Make sure you have some legal advice from a solicitor eg you will need a clean break financial order sealed by the court otherwise your ex husband could come after your assets later. You should change any will you have made already. You might want to insure his life pending decree absolute etc etc

Are you putting money aside now into a private pension?

Mylovelylittlepetbedbug · 05/11/2024 12:50

You should be fine. I rent privately , retired due to ill.health at 70. Housing benefit is £200 below rental so i pay that. No car . Luckily have a bus pass and 25%council tax reduction. (ATM) stare pension and a tiny private one that just puts me above level for any PC.
I like cooking and am quite frugal. Never have a holiday and rarely go out. But I enjoy reading and walking and major expenses are gifts for DGC ( who certainly don't expect anything but I enjoy it.)
Compared to an unhappy marriage ,I'm living a very happy life.
Compared to the struggle some people are going through with providing for children ( even people on " good" incomes) I'm comfortable. You will be fine and will adapt . Probably be much happier.

Frowningprovidence · 05/11/2024 12:51

Can you buy a property that it is easy to get a lodger in. Ideally a professional week day only lodger.

Some properties lend themselves much better to this than others. Eg a flat with both rooms having an ensuite or a terraced townhouse with a bedroom downstairs.

You dont need a lodger forever, but you can use it to build up some savings for a couple of years.

AnonymousBleep · 05/11/2024 13:00

Outandinbout · 05/11/2024 12:10

Where can you get free pension advice if over 50?

https://www.moneyhelper.org.uk/en/pensions-and-retirement/pension-wise

ComingBackHome · 05/11/2024 13:02

Brananan · 05/11/2024 08:37

1500 a month is plenty if you are mortgage free. Don't be a martyr, get some help with your parents and some help with your health.

Of course your UC will change when your kids are 18+ and so it should. Presumably you'll get child maintenance until then.

Edited

Who is saying the OP isn’t getting the help she can for her health?
You realise that some conditions dint have treatments and are life long?!!
Saying you have health conditions that stop you from working,or working full time etc… isn’t being a martyr. It’s the reality for thousands of people.

Negroany · 05/11/2024 13:08

If you have health conditions that limit your ability to work, or do any normal activity, you can apply for PIP.

PicaK · 05/11/2024 13:14

Go chat to a solicitor and see what your best case and worst case financial outcome would be. 50/50 is a starting point and the pendulum swings based on various factors. Having had a min wage job to support family life is a big factor.

EducatingArti · 05/11/2024 13:21

Negroany · 05/11/2024 13:08

If you have health conditions that limit your ability to work, or do any normal activity, you can apply for PIP.

There is a huge gap though between a health condition that can limit working and the possibility of being awarded PIP.

I've just retired early because fibromyalgia was making me too exhausted to work ( own pension/ self employed so did not have to get agreement to draw down a pension early on health grounds). I manage by careful pacing. On a particular day I could be quite active but would then need one or more "do nothing" days to recover.
I would get nowhere applying for PIp. I've spoken to a friend who adjudicates appeals for PIP and shee agrees.

buffyspikefaith · 05/11/2024 13:26

Negroany · 05/11/2024 13:08

If you have health conditions that limit your ability to work, or do any normal activity, you can apply for PIP.

You can apply but you won't get it
I can feed myself, exercise and keep myself clean on a good day
I can work, but on a bad day it's work then bed and no meal. I have a list of health conditions and still not entitled to PIP

Girliefriendlikespuppies · 05/11/2024 13:26

You need proper legal advice.

£1500 with no mortgage is plenty to live off, once bills are paid you'd have around £1000 left to spend/save.

That said I think you'll be entitled to more than half the house.

GivingitToGod · 05/11/2024 13:34

flipdiddle81 · 05/11/2024 08:40

you didn’t actually clarify you had a property to sell
ok so you’ll be living mortgage free
single person
£1500 a month

seems… doable!

Indeed. Several people with families have less than that after rent/mortgage paid. I think u r worrying unnecessarily OP, not a criticism. Probably fear of the unknown,
Wishing u well 4 the next chapter

Negroany · 05/11/2024 13:41

buffyspikefaith · 05/11/2024 13:26

You can apply but you won't get it
I can feed myself, exercise and keep myself clean on a good day
I can work, but on a bad day it's work then bed and no meal. I have a list of health conditions and still not entitled to PIP

I didn't say she would get it, we don't know enough and I'm not an assessor. But people do get it and the starting point is to apply.

CharlotteLucas3 · 05/11/2024 13:54

I think you'll be fine op. You'll perhaps have to get used to living with a bit less but I think you can still have a decent life with £1500. Can you buy a car outright with part of the money from the house sale? I've still got lovely, good quality clothes that I buy from Vinted and charity shops.

Do make sure you get your share of pension and do this properly through a solicitor. I didn't and ended up with my exH's smallest pension of 8k. Do you have any forgotten about pensions? I had an admin job many years ago for only five years and my pension from that job has increased hugely...not enough for an actual pension but I've transferred it to a private pension account so I'll have a fairly substantial lump sum when I'm 55.

I understand your conditions because I have anxiety/depression/chronic fatigue/autism/adhd. To be honest, I had to move in with my elderly mother when my benefits stopped. You don't have to look after your parents...I do it because I have no choice really. Your health should be your top priority because without that you won't even have £1500.

FairyPoppins · 05/11/2024 14:19

I live on £1500 a month, and that includes £300pm paying the rent on my shared ownership property. I have a dog, run a car - no car finance - and have a 2 week holiday abroad each year.
You will adapt... I see it as a challenge!
I also sold a lot of clothes etc on vinted to create an emergency fund, which I don't touch at all.
It might sound mercenary, but I'd be getting divorced before your parents pass away - he could claim half of any inheritance as a marital asset if you are still together

ComingBackHome · 05/11/2024 14:28

Your health should be your top priority because without that you won't even have £1500.

That’s really worth repeating.
This includes two things really

  • how much impact does your relationship have on your health? You mention that anxiety could well be driven by your dh/marriage.
  • whatever you are doing re your parents, you’ll have to put yourself first, however hard it is.
I have a chronic illness too and I’m disabled so I get where you’re coming from as well as the worries.
ComingBackHome · 05/11/2024 14:32

HollaHolla · 05/11/2024 12:36

I'm alone, late 40s. Have a decent job, with income of £3k per month. I still have a mortgage of around £900pcm. I'm also disabled, which means I have to pay for a cleaner, and some additional other help. Means my disposable income isn't much different to yours. I manage. Live quite comfortably, actually. It is possible.
In the kindest possible way, it's time to give your head a wobble, and realise that you've probably been living a higher life with your husband's higher earnings, and it's time to look at what's possible for you when that changes. (Oh, and yes, his pension needs to be split!)

In the kindest way possible, you’re left with £2100 per month and have a higher salary (which also means a possible promotion, wage increase etc…).
Its a very different situation than the OP

flipdiddle81 · 05/11/2024 15:06

Dogmam9273 · 05/11/2024 08:38

I shall have to sit down and go over all of my expenses . Obviously at the moment with a large house, 2 cars , family of 4 our outgoings are very high.
I Just can't imagine 1500 going very far, with having no savings to fall back on I won't have anything for emergencies

I will take a punt that you have previously taken very little interest in the family financial affairs

ComingBackHome · 05/11/2024 15:12

flipdiddle81 · 05/11/2024 15:06

I will take a punt that you have previously taken very little interest in the family financial affairs

You have no idea how things were done
eg the husband saying he is the one to sort out most things as HE knows etc….
They might not even have a joint account for all we know….

Mainoo72 · 05/11/2024 16:13

Xenia · 05/11/2024 12:38

£1500 a month is more than those of us who will just have the state pension (which is about £732 a month). If I reach age 67 retirement age I will carry on working so loads of tax will then also be taken off my state pension but there is no other choice.

Good luck. Make sure you have some legal advice from a solicitor eg you will need a clean break financial order sealed by the court otherwise your ex husband could come after your assets later. You should change any will you have made already. You might want to insure his life pending decree absolute etc etc

State pension is closer to £980 a month now. Also, why would you only have a state pension? You need to pay into your own private or work pension.

Miley1967 · 05/11/2024 16:24

Maplelady · 05/11/2024 08:57

Why would someone with £1500 disposable income potentially be entitled to UC? I assume the ex would also be paying CMS and OP would get child benefit. Genuinely interested…

Op will be whilst she has dependent kids. Uc is pretty generous for people with kids and child maintenance isn't counted as income. My colleague is in a similar situation and has just had her second foreign holiday of the year this time for 2.5 weeks and she only works four days and has one dependent child. The first £600 + of earnings is disregarded altogether then earnings reduce Uc on a taper and as I said CM not counted at all.

Boomer55 · 05/11/2024 17:15

Dogmam9273 · 05/11/2024 08:36

@flipdiddle81 which part doesn't make sense?
I said I won't get any actual cash to be able to live off but we will be able to sell our home and split it 50/50 so I will be able to buy a small property

I live alone since DH died. If I didn’t have a mortgage or rent, £1500 would be ample to live on. 🤷‍♀️

2orangey · 05/11/2024 17:19

Well I'm on just above NMW and live in a 2 bed flat, I do have a spouse earning similarly but we live pretty frugally and once the mortgage is paid off we'll have quite a bit spare to pay for retirement. It really pays to use sites like Martin Lewis Moneysavers to get the cheapest deals. I know I'm not in quite the same situatio but here's my monthly budget in case it's useful:

£52 travel pass
£37 gym
£20 charity
£50 pension
£110 Council tax (this would be lower for a single person)
£30 netflix/prime/audible
£20 broadband (Plusnet)
£36 water
£55 gas/electric (Ovo)
£250 food (mainly Aldi)
£40 eating out/takeaways
£7 sim only mobile (Lebara)
£10 service fees (we are very lucky this is so low as it is an ex-council flat, beware 'luxury apartments' with steep service costs)
Total 707

So there is still some spare for saving, hobbies or little luxuries, we do manage a few camping trips/cheap city breaks and the off foreign holiday. Not a life of luxury by any means but not struggling.

flipdiddle81 · 05/11/2024 17:44

ComingBackHome · 05/11/2024 15:12

You have no idea how things were done
eg the husband saying he is the one to sort out most things as HE knows etc….
They might not even have a joint account for all we know….

and that is why i said “i’d take a punt” 😆

I don’t “know” anything about a single poster on mumsnet and nor… do you!