botwatch 81. The latest thread in a very long series about the deceptions practised by mlms. Unbelievably people are still being hooked in by these schemes where 97 of those who join lose money?

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Thread 81! The scam that keeps on giving! MLM, network marking, social selling or whatever else you want to call it. It rinses you of your money, time and friends for the dream of wealth, which never happens. Why? The business model ensures that only those at the very top of the 'pyramid' stand a chance of wealth, all the rest of us just "pay to play". The dream is a nightmare. Tell your stores here.

Mmm.. Flamborough for a week over a very wet Easter v India . Maybe they are beach bums rather than adventurous travellers. I have to admit that India during the dry season with youngish children is probably not brilliant and with a very high risk of gastro problems it’s probably a sensible move.

I agree @Spongebobette, I think that is significant. 2Jags has never had a problem with attending before. Last year she took her family didnt she? She’s obviously felt the need to justify her absence with a long faux jolly post. I wouldnt be surprised if Police Constable 2Jags has put his foot down about wasting money for what must be a very dull expedition for the trailing partners (plus a whole family potentially ill).

Yes she’s always taken the whole family and made it a family holiday (as well as an opportunity to crow about the generosity of the company and to post endless photos and videos)

interesting times

And she’s claiming she’ll receive $3k in compensation for not going whereas the FL website says it’s $2.5k

I'm pretty sure Yawn had no intention of going but was forced into it by the smiling assassin.
Speaking of our favourite liar who lies, her FB stories claim that every single person who attended the information evening signed up to become an FBO. She's losing the plot completely.

I don't understand why you'd go in the first place. Pay for your own flights to spend 3 days in an airport hotel and most of your time filled with endless "training" and "parties". Gone are the FL heydays of a week in Moon Palace in Mexico! (Moon Palace is £££)

I’m sure $2.5k would be very welcome to these bots just at the moment

I wonder if Yawn will spend some time in India lugging that ghastly yellow suitcase around and blagging her way into decent hotel rooms for a quick look “coz I’m thinking of booking this hotel when I’m back on another business trip shortly”?

On her social media while in Bali she was tagging herself as a travelvlogger. She posted not very convincing pics of pristine untouched hotel rooms she was allegedly staying in, with GYS taking centre stage alongside a couple of pieces of artfully arranged travel bags.

Maybe we’ll get some stunt flip flops in a wardrobe this time.

“In 15 years, I have met over 10,000 people in Forever - who are earning far more than they ever believed they could”

I have questions:
How many have you met who have lost money in FLP?
Your use of the present tense implies people you met years ago are still earning far more than they can believe in FLP, is that what you’re claiming?
Do you only speak to people who will say what you want to hear and cast them out when they no longer say the right things?
How are you calculating the amount of people who you’ve met as that’s about 2 people a day, every day for 15 years.
Are YOU making far more money than you can believe?
Are you familiar with what an income claim is?
Are you familiar with that pesky thing called “the truth”?

Got to love bloodsucker is in India for like a month.

Slight change of subject but I have the distinct feeling that Yawn may have had a gastric band - it’s just the pattern of weight loss, v similar to a former colleague of mine… also the arrogant tone in posts where she’s confident of weigh loss trajectory. Just my feeling.

Either that or it's Ozempic...no way is it C9 as she likes to claim, she's done hundreds of "resets" over the years and not once has she lost anything...

Didn't yawn admit on the quiet to one of her down line that she had had a gastric band but the downline let it slip and it was hot gossip for a while? I'm sure I didn't imagine that.

It’s just the way she’s presented herself and the tone and over confidence in the progress pics etc - it’s often different when people do it naturally as there is an air of being measured as many of us know, maintenance is no joke! V misleading to claim it’s all down to aloe gloop etc. Good on her for the cycling and dog walks but I get the sense she does exaggerate the level of vigour/exertion!

Gosh, really? That would not surprise me in the very least! She’s so gossipy, she probably just let it slip out!

@MrsGlennBulb and weren’t the artfully placed suitcase photos only posted on her SM after the event? I seem to remember we wondered what had happened to her and all the while she was allegedly holidaying in another luxury resort before arriving at the FL event (or that’s what she implied).

I remember thinking that she had to get the photos of herself home so she could edit them before she shared them but I also wonder if she didn’t post the suitcase photos at the time in case any “trolls” recognised the resort, called them and outed her as not a guest at all. Much easier to claim you were staying at a luxury resort than that you’re resident right now.

I can’t really remember the timeline now, just that there was a photo of Yawn looking distinctly off colour then nothing until she appeared in other people’s Bali pics during the FL event.

And thanks to FLP’s extra photos it’s easier to see how many empty chairs there were at the event Yawn is posting about. I counted an audience of 32 which, even if they did sign up, isn’t going to make any real difference. I’m interested in the number of people who were invited but couldn’t be bothered/decided it wasn’t worth their while.

So the ones who did turn up must be the most likely to give in. I am sure if people politely express interest or give their details (which isn’t the same as signing up BTW Yawn), or even if they do sign up there and then, they often have a rethink in the cold light of day or a partner expresses doubt about the cost. When someone follows up on an event like this a percentage will have changed their mind about joining. There’s no way 32 people signed up and even if they did the conversion rate into fully paid up bots must be chronically low in these risk averse times.

Was this when they were being offered a ‘free’ C9 for signing? I think that was an offer a couple of weeks ago

Hello all,

I’ve been reading these threads for a while and have been becoming increasingly baffled why people fall for this BS.

Why on earth did Yawn use Foo Fighters - Times Like These for her latest video audio - it’s a song about rising from the ashes - if the last 15 years have been as rosey as she says, why would that be needed?

The sign ups could still be from just 1 person, with the other 31 being team members - team members are encouraged to go to these events to boost the numbers and appear as though lots of people are interested in joining.

Which is what happens in cults

She's thick as mince but she's wiley - and she chooses vulnerable women as her targets.

Yawn really does underestimate other people’s intelligence. Her latest story with her running times she did 10km in 76mins, you can do 10km in 90mins at a brisk walking pace. I suspect she walks most of the way and jogs for short distances, probably downhill. It’s really not difficult to walk /jog that distance considering her age and how long she has been running for now.
I noticed that she hasn’t been kamikaze night cycling for a couple of weeks , although maybe Easter break.

AND only four days until the real “running” starts in India. I wonder who Yawn is travelling with.

Let's hope there's some Imodium in the yellow suitcases :)