botwatch 81. The latest thread in a very long series about the deceptions practised by mlms. Unbelievably people are still being hooked in by these schemes where 97 of those who join lose money?

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Thread 81! The scam that keeps on giving! MLM, network marking, social selling or whatever else you want to call it. It rinses you of your money, time and friends for the dream of wealth, which never happens. Why? The business model ensures that only those at the very top of the 'pyramid' stand a chance of wealth, all the rest of us just "pay to play". The dream is a nightmare. Tell your stores here.

Hi - yes I read this, so felt there was a concerted effort to move away from MLM? Interesting to hear about your experiences in the hotel though.

I actually really like the products.

What the heck is ‘belief coding’ when it’s at home 🤷‍♀️

Nice to see all the top FL leaders in the back room of the Cardiff Toby Carvery trying to attract more victims.

Wow the venues get worse and worse don’t they

Castle’s sponsored post that starts “it made me £85k in an hour” is getting some Law of Reaction comment and less than glowing memes and I’m not surprised. Here are some snippets:

She was working really hard and felt bad when statements about earning £85k an hour appeared in her inbox when they didn’t share their secret. So she is going to tell you how you can make £85k in an hour in her Make £85k in an Hour Masterclass! Except actually she did much better than that because she was only earning c.£40k a month but in 8 weeks she was earning £120k a month.

She will share how she creates big cash injections into her business (that reminds me, how are your parents Castle?).

The Masterclass is free but if that’s not enough there are prizes for turning up live. One prize is a spa day for two but you must promise to use it only when you’re celebrating your massive launch as a result of what you learn on her masterclass. So that’s one prize she will never have to fulfill.

desperate bullshit.

Looking through her increasingly desperate posts on FB there are more and more people taking the piss. There is also a lot of deletion going on. It’s not going well for her.

It’s another MLM spawned by someone who was on The Apprentice. I’m beginning to wonder about that programme.

I commented on one of castles ridiculous claims and her mum sent me a message having a go at me for berating her daughters lies!! it was hilarious. I told her straight "your daughter is a liar and you are her enabler". she blocked me....

She’s very defensive of her children and completely blinkered about what a pair of narcissistic grifters they are

That explains a lot...

It's stunning how stupid they all are

I’ve seen Castle’s mother do that before on threads. She may be feeling defensive because over a few posts over the last week Castle has had quite a few people (mainly men) taking the piss or calling her coaching a scam. I can’t help thinking, as some of them were backing each other up, that they may be connected to the people Castle’s previously conned. It’s as if they’re partners of Castle’s victims who are all thinking the same way.

Anyway, comments are hastily deleted and as Bruv has his tongue so firmly rammed up Apprentice bot’s arse and is unable to get out his black colouring pen and do scribbling out of nasty haterz’ mean comments it may be another task that has fallen to Mrs Senior Castle. So the list is childcare, property management, cash machine, domestic servant, figure of ridicule and now Facebook policeman as well. And she is paying them handsomely for all her graft.

I get the feeling they turn on her quick if she doesn’t perform. She doesn’t appear to get much respect, just the odd pat on the head on social media as part of a “happy families” content effort.

Yawn is claiming to be "Number One in the company". If you actually read the certificate the Greek bloke is waving about it is actually titled "Central Region".

If you're going to lie Yawn, make sure you cover your tracks.

It really is prizes and certificates for all in Forever Living

I wonder if Castle will go back to FL?

She’d want to go in at the apex and the current top bots would have a hissy fit

I swear Yawn is losing the plot. This year the manic and narcissistic posts have escalated. I know it’s a sign of HQ cracking the whip.

My whole world is built on balance (not your bank balance though)

I have a fantastic career, with a phenomenal high end corporate style income (you do know anyone can look at Companies House don’t you? Your massive loan is still there. Why not pay that off with your “corporate style” income?).

But … I work part time, based at home & can pick when I work, where I work & who I work with (you’ve got one of the most labour intensive profiles of all the bots. Part-time income for full-time grifting. Not only that but you work for nothing for HQ. The same HQ who will suddenly pull the plug on the UK without a backward glance).

You CAN have it all. (No you can’t, you certainly don’t. How Mr Yawn’s job going?).

It wouldn’t matter except these are lies that people she is “helping” are falling for. There has to be a special place in Hell for people like her.

arrrgh.

It’s infuriating that she can make these claims and hoodwink people - mainly people who can’t afford to spend money on the products or on travel to the stupid events. She must be entirely without a conscience because she knows, after years and years of recruiting people, that they all fall away having lost money

The devil's tribe has no consciousness and flp bots are that tribe.

Yawn’s very quiet now about her dream thatched farmhouse. No photos of the outside. Obviously read our comments on here.

I think Bloodsucker is the worst - she’s at the top of the pyramid and all the money she’s made has come from all those poor women she’s relentlessly ‘prospected’. The constant need to recruit is a sign that no one is successful and she needs fresh supplies of enthusiastic new recruits all the time, who buy the business pack, replace everything in their house with FL products, buy the C9 etc, sell to family and friends, pay to attend a few events, and hang on for a few months trying to make a go of it then quietly bow out. Basically get rinsed

I’ve just listened to a bit of the “award speech”.
why does she have to swear? Not a good look.
And she works so “f-ing hard”.
But in next post, works part time when she chooses to.
And the worst part? Some people are selfish when they are helping other people.
Yawn, you’re just doing it for the money. Which is NOT phenomenal, or high end, or corporate style.

Whilst I have a lot of sympathy for Castles latest post, the idea of her starting a nursery/school is frankly terrifying (and hopefully just a wild suggestion being thrown out while she navigates the systems she has found herself in).

I think when she realises what's required she'll bin that idea, it's a highly regulated industry (rightly so) you have to deal with Ofsted inspections, make sure staff are qualified with proper childcare qualifications, (some have to be on a yearly basis) criminal record checks, insurance, compliance with the local authority, it's not the fast buck that she thinks it is...

The allure of starting a real business over the sham one she is running now. Proves she’s not making much money!

I see Fierce claims to have a new c.£70k+ car. I say “claims” because it could be leased, belong to someone else or a photo opportunity on a test drive. After all we know her social media images are sometimes stock photos (after @Twentytwentyhindsight eagle-eyed spotting of Fierce’s insta style shot of her back view against idyllic scenery in the USA, as a stock photo).

Perhaps her mother’s Tropic business has paid for the car?! Even with her ability to happily fleece people it seems unlikely that she is making any real income and her DH just seems to stand around looking moody. If it is a purchase (even by generous parents etc) it must be very galling for the many women she has left seriously out of pocket over the years, including the first cohort of Scamversity students. There were women reporting losses of £5-10k. It’s certainly not a very Earth Mother choice of vehicle in line with her recent persona is it?

There was a journalist taking an interest in her scams before Covid who has recently popped up again so I hope they are working on something. Fierce says she’s been in one place too long and wants to travel again so perhaps the new Defender is just an ideal getaway vehicle when you need to flee in the dead of night? She probably has stayed in the UK longer than is wise for her.