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MLM Bot Watch 61: enquire within upon everything pyramid-shaped

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GoldenKelpie · 13/06/2020 12:33

New Fred! Welcome all!

Previous thread: www.mumsnet.com/Talk/legal_money_matters/a3906058-mlm-bot-watch-60-it-takes-a-village-to-sink-an-island?msgid=97414452#97414452

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Mycatismadeofstringcheese · 13/06/2020 12:46

Posted this on the old thread as you were posting this one:

Interesting video about Maca supplements from Yawn. (If you want to see video YouTube “Story Marketing Example: Forever Multi Maca Product”.

She describes the advert as “the best” “hilarious, but true” and recommendeds the product to those with low sex drive.

So in the video they don’t use words to claim that maca increases your sex drive. It’s all done through innuendo. Actually the same joke as in the Naked Gun films. I’ve looked up maca as a supplement and there’s no evidence that it improves sex drive or fertility. What are advertising rules about implying rather than stating? I know it can be a bit woolly which is why words describing say yoghurt like “nutritious” and “full of goodness” are meaningless. What about rockets launching?

(And don’t get me started on the 50s housewife stereotype).

Spongebobette · 13/06/2020 13:03

Thanks for new fred, @GoldenKelpie

Norma27 · 13/06/2020 13:10

Thanks for the new fred

BSintolerant · 13/06/2020 13:39

Thank you @GoldenKelpie. @cozietosie you ok hun? You’ve been quiet recently!

BSintolerant · 13/06/2020 13:41

@cozietoesie - sorry, I can’t spell!

SSDGM · 13/06/2020 15:17

Thanks for new Fred!

I’ve managed to do more exercise since lockdown than ever. Walks, runs, home Yoga sessions. Yawn was doing her 45 minute 5ks before lock down, you would think she would have been out trying to get faster. 🤷🏻‍♀️

SnoogyWoo · 13/06/2020 17:07

Lockdown has been brilliant for my health. I’ve lost 1 stone 2 lbs so far and not eaten any grains or refined sugar for 6 weeks. All natural, feel amazing and no C9 bollocks.

Norma27 · 13/06/2020 17:23

I've done more than before too @ssdgm
I don't partake in the amazing c9s tho! Could sit on my arse if I did!

CompleteBarstool · 13/06/2020 17:56

(Oops forgot there was a new thread and posted on the old one!)

I wonder how much those Maca tablets are. A bag of ground maca from the local health food shop which lasts me about 3 months costs me £6.99

(it was recommended to me for perimenopausal symptoms like hot flushes, tiredness etc , can't say it's done anything for my sex drive though!)

GoldenKelpie · 13/06/2020 18:08

@SnoogyWoo, sounds a lot like what I've been doing since March 2016 - is it LCHF or its close relative keto (VLCHF). What a relief being off the insane addictive sugar! I hadn't realised I was a sugar addict, but at least I do not indulge in the white stuff any more, phew.

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Ajgee · 13/06/2020 18:41

To go from a $400k+ cheque to nothing wouldn’t really fit when compared with how other UK bots performed this year.

Do we know roughly what proportion of total income the cheques typically make up?

The Uber accounts are beyond my comprehension. But what does strike me is the £670k liability for a defined benefit pension scheme. This is not mentioned in previous accounts (in fact a DC scheme is mentioned in all previous accounts, and this one). Setting up a DB scheme for one employee seems absurd. Employer liabilities must be related to projected member benefits? To accrue £670k in pension benefits in a year is well above the AA as previously mentioned, and £630k (more if the AA has been tapered) would be taxed at nominal income tax rate? What salary would justify the accrual of these benefits? In a typical generous DB scheme on a £100k salary, liabilities would increase by around £50k with each year accrued?

I must’ve made some incorrect assumptions, maybe it’s an accounting technique. The scheme has £0 assets.

What are ‘Debtors’ in the context of MLMs? Money owed by customers? Forthcoming cheques/bonuses?

Regarding Directors Loans, am I right in thinking either:
Pay it back, that’s it;
Pay it back, take out another loan, pay 32.5% CT on original loan (reclaimable later);
Write off the loan, company pays NI 13.8% on loan amount, director pays income tax.

These are all just thoughts, I’m probably misinformed.

Despite all this, I don’t see how you could be in a bad financial position after all the previous years’ cheques.

Norma27 · 13/06/2020 18:58

@Ajgee If Uber has lived a millionaire lifestyle based on a few years big cheques, then they reduce I can see how the money could run out. I think she had a Porsche and range rover at one point but could be mistaken. She is in a better position than most, but also has further the fall when it collapses.
Plenty of millionaires have run out of money in the past.
It would be very interesting to see what, if anything she did get this year.
I do still have mutual non forever shite friends with her, but know she would lie to them too if I tried to find out.

SnoogyWoo · 13/06/2020 19:12

@GoldenKelpie yes that’s it. I also have bulletproof coffee for breakfast.

Norma27 · 13/06/2020 19:22

Just wantched that maca post. How very bizarre! Do they realise it is 2020?

Whiterangey · 13/06/2020 23:37

Nope it's 2016 and business is booming just take a look at the up to date cheques they keep flashing.

Whiterangey · 14/06/2020 00:03

You need a PHD in advanced gibberish to fully understand what you have to do to qualify for a bonus cheque. Yawn made an oops before.

It's not just what you earn bit you need a certain amount of new business, not easy when she spent the year on wedding planning. She was focusing on reaching level 3 by getting her downline to get cheques. I think it's likely she just miscalculated and didn't realise.

I know that in Mary Kay if you take advantage of the year 90% buyback po li icy the upline have to pay the com price vision back.

It's even possible someone did that and she lost the credits when someone did the 90% buyback.

I am certain she didn't get a cheque. The amount of people who would need to keep quiet about her cheque if she'd got one on the quiet would be ridiculous. The simplest answer is likely the right one, no cheque.

Funny, laughed.

JaniceBattersby · 14/06/2020 01:17

I think you’re right @Whiterangey. She’s fucked it up. What a shame.

BangingOn · 14/06/2020 09:41

That is much more complicated than I realised and the 90% buy back does sound like something that could easily scupper a cheque. What a shame!

BSintolerant · 14/06/2020 10:40

Does FL allow buybacks?

witchofthenorth · 14/06/2020 11:20

Omg just watched that video 😑

Spongebobette · 14/06/2020 11:38

@BSintolerant the bots all talk about a 60 day money back guarantee (I think it’s 60 days) and say ‘what do you have to lose? Try the products and return them for a full refund’ etc etc

I don’t know how this words exactly- what if a bot had sold loads of products and achieved a ‘Promotion’ then customers returned their purchases?

Spongebobette · 14/06/2020 11:38
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Mycatismadeofstringcheese · 14/06/2020 12:34

CompleteBarstool

The FL maca tablets are £23.15 for 60.

It doesn’t give details of daily dosage or amount of active ingredients.

So if it’s one tablet a day it would cost £34.73 for 3 months.
Or at 2 a day it’s £69.45 for 3 months.
Bit more than your £6.99!

I think we can assume the FL ones are a complete rip off!

CompleteBarstool · 14/06/2020 13:48

I think we can assume the FL ones are a complete rip off!

...like every other FL product then!

I just don't get it. How do they find customers (other than themselves of course) who are happy to pay such stupidly inflated prices?