MLM Bot Watch 60: It takes a village to sink an island.

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Continued chat exposing things such as the lies peddled and the bankruptcies hidden from view.

For those interested, the Lifetime channel is airing a documentary series called Cults & Extreme Belief. I have seen two episodes so far (FLDS, aired yesterday, and Twelve Tribes, aired last week). This coming Sunday is the first part of The Survivors Speak. So far it has been very interesting to see the similarities to MLM brainwashing. The way that active FLDS members still view Warren Jeffs as a prophet rather than a paedophile is remarkably similar to how Young Living customers view their late leader Gary Young.

In other news: I'm thinking about starting a tinfoil MLM as there seems to be a rather strong market amongst huns.

Thank you all!! Found her

Homeschool at pains to tell all she's really really happy and in such a good place when it appears she's been crying. Face all puffy and her eyes just look sad

Homeschool looks like someone who has been caught telling lies (again). She’s not denying anything is she? I think she’s recorded her most recent live to persuade herself that she’s happy and that the haters haven’t got to her because she’s really happy. Daddy wasn’t there this time. Perhaps he knew another live would be a PR disaster.

It’s entirely possible that she’s earning bugger all out of whichever scam she’s involved in. If that’s the case she’s lying to her downline by claiming otherwise.

The Insolvency Service Register lists her as “unemployed” when clearly she isn’t. Didn’t she get kicked out of Forever for joining whichever scamming feckers she’s with now?

@RogueApostrophe yes, I’m sure you’re right about earning bugger all. I wonder what the definitions are of that other no-no when bankrupt, “promoting a business when bankrupt without informing those with whom you trade or the insolvency Agency”. It all depends whether she “has her own bizniz” or is an “employee” with the intention of receiving monies.. I think they’ll be taking an interest regardless of her earnings or lack of.

The Insolvency Agency must get sick of FLP top earners clogging up their system

If she’s lied to the Insolvency Service she could end up being prosecuted for perjury.

Mr Homeschool looks really familiar and I have a feeling they are quite local to me. Ponders. Hope he hasn't been to any of my fitness classes 😳

It's just astounding that those who have highlighted her deceit and reported her to the agency (I salute you!) are the negative ones. Not her who faked a lifestyle in order to continue recruiting, but those who pointed out how fucking wrong that was.

She really does exist in an alternate universe where people create their own truths.

Wtf is nurse thinking giving that brochure to her kid? She's hasn't yet achieved anything on her goal board so it seems harsh to promise the kid such a massive thing that probably won't happen.

She's says she can't afford it and will have to work extra hard in her bizniss to get the deposit down (I checked, £300... isn't that a mere 60% of her monthly income increase though?)

It's all such bullshit. Apparently you can work around pockets of time and become really rich but in fact you can't and you won't and you'll have to break your back and sell your soul to scrape together £300

He’s too little to understand and will soon forget

Unless she goes on and on and on about it, getting him to cut pictures out for a goalboard and sticking it in her kitchen where he can be reminded every day

One of her minions suggests she should go to the police for bullying and 'deformation of character'
They really do live in a fantasy land

I suggest they look up 'defamation' followed by the conditions of a bankruptcy.

She'd be laughed out of the station.

Let's not tell them it's a civil matter

Was just looking at Homeschool's website page. No mention of bankruptcy there but she does claim...

"Believe me, I never thought I'd amount to anything, I joined this industry thinking £100/mth was all I was capable of and I went on to build a £Multi-Million business. So allow me to lend you a little of my belief". Hmm, I smell bullshit.

Further down the page she states...
"So this is the bit that I should talk about how I built my 7-figure income and how I have the systems and processes to do the same for you".

Her latest live she laments about the nasty people who reported her. In fact it is she who is nasty by pretending to be rich and successful on the back of FL and the other MLM she has been involved in, in order to recruit vulnerable women and make money off them, together with creepy DH they have been formidable in the past.

Defamation cases cost a lot of money too. How would an unemployed bankrupt afford to fund a defamation case - not that she has a case? Even so, one of those clever buggers in her downline would probably suggest legal aid.

Anyway, the fact that people have pointed out that she’s bankrupt isn’t defamation because, well, she’s bankrupt. She even admitted it herself. It’s public knowledge. And she’s happy.

Well, it may be public knowledge as in it's in the public domain if you go looking for it, but it was still her legal duty to inform anyone she was proposing to do 'business' with, i.e. her allegedly extensive new downline, of the fact.
After all, these conditions of bankruptcy are specifically designed to ensure third parties are aware of the dodgy financial background of the person they're dealing with in order to make informed decisions.
Now that she's gone into 'truth' mode, will she be individually contacting every single person she has propositioned for her new 'business', whether they joined or not, to inform them that she omitted to mention she was a bankrupt?

@Twentytwentyhindsight I wonder if she has a list of people to contact and whether she keeps her records in such a way to comply with GDPR legislation. She could get into a lot of trouble if she falls foul of that. So could a lot of bots.

It would certainly be a gross breach of GDPR if it was the case that the data of anyone she was in contact with was available for dodgy dungaree dickhead to exploit for his exploitative scam self-confidence boosting biznis...

And vice-versa ...

I mean, a bankrupt who is in breach of their bankruptcy order harvesting data for an unregistered third-party counselling business is surely on pretty thin ice...

And, as you rightly point out, vice-versa.

How is it defamation to call a bankrupt a bankrupt? She’s already confirmed she wasn’t making any money, which is what we have said all along. Clue: the truth isn’t defamation, Hun.

@SSDGM Homeschool wouldn’t know what the truth was if it jumped up and bit her. She was still with Forever when she went bankrupt. She was bragging about qualifying for the Australia trip days before she got her bankruptcy order. She got booted out of Forever for joining another scammy MLM earlier this year. Yet her entry with the Insolvency Service lists her as “unemployed” and “currently not working.” Who hasn’t she lied to?

I doubt that “currently not working” is a typo which should read “currently networking.”

The first legal principle of defamation is that the statement must be false

It’s a great shame that anyone can stick a nameplate up (or dodgy website) and call themselves a psychotherapist, counsellor or coach as these are not protected terms. This allows people with the wrong agenda to tinker about with people’s mental health without in depth training, supervision of clinical Work and accreditation. Proper training teaches you Not just the necessary treatment protocols and theories but also how to know the limits of your abilities; people like Mr HS are dangerous and I bet he’s not insured. How is his risk assessment? What’s his safety plan for someone intent on harming themselves? There’s every chance he could come across such a person in his pursuit of the vulnerable.

I saw one video on his site where some clearly very happy woman (FLP person) is saying how she’s “so happy” now and how it all came from her childhood etc etc - he’s fed her lots of suggestions about her mental state much as he began to do when messaging me; insisting I must have low SE. She really didn’t look ok to me and she had been fed some confused stuff about raising her self-esteem and acting positive; she clearly felt under pressure which is unsurprising. I’ve listened to a lot of Mr HS’s stuff now, he doesn’t really make any sense at all and simply repeats cliches that others will identify with, without offering any solution. He’s running his own pyramid scheme as women (only women) pay him to go through his programme and then are “empowered” to go out and pass on the “system”, no doubt for money and so on and so on. I also note that since 2018 Homeschool is offering a coaching programme for children to “raise their self esteem”, I hope she has got a water tight insurance policy for this and that her safeguarding training is up to date 🙄. Lots of ready access to the parents ripe for recruiting. As a psychotherapist it frustrates me that they can continue with this and the only way it will stop is if someone comes to harm.

*some clearly very UNhappy woman!

You are absolutely right

It reminds me of when I did a First Aid course. The main thing I learned on day 1 was when not to intervene, as the course wasn’t going to make you medically qualified! Amateurs with a bit of knowledge (and misplaced confidence) can do a lot of harm