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MLM Bot Watch 41 - Forever Living charity giving, are MLMers using charities to increase their CC's while making it look like they are being charitable?

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Whiterangey · 27/06/2018 19:38

Are charities being used by MLMer's to gain CC's, gain new leads, and get rid of stock?

Here is an example of a top Forever Living Business Owner in the UK taking advantage of a charity.

It may look like she is doing something good for the charity but she isn't. The charity will be getting 20% of profits. The business owner, the current UK number 2 in Forever Living, who recently picked up a $420,000 cheque at the Forever Living global rally in Dallas is just getting her Case Credits (CC's) up, and hoping to get new leads to sign up under her.

For everything that she sold Forever Living will have taking the biggest cut, then the business owners upline will have taken a cut, and then the business owner herself. Her profit will be very small and then she was only going to give away to the charity 20% of that. It could be as little as £10, probably a lot less, despite the members of the group spending hundreds of pounds with her. I hope she had the decency to at least add to it. For a 'charity night' where someone who has received multi-million dollars in cheques, and received $420k two months ago you'd expect at least 3 figures to be donated. 20% of her profits from that night will have been ridiculously small.

The charity will be getting even less as you can see she is running special offers which will come out of her profit, reducing the amount available to the charity even more.

As you can see in one of the screenshots someone in the local area of the charity attempted to warn the charity that the business owners motives may not be as charitable as it seems and the business owner wants to take the discussion away from public view, and then deleted the reply instead of giving a reply to show that the poster was wrong. She can't show the poster is wrong as the poster is right so instead chose to make it all go away.

The screenshot of a slide is one used by someone in the business owners downline, who correctly refers to the charity night as 'a launch' which is what it was, it wasn't for charity, it was for the business owner to sell her products and hopefully get some new recruits to her business.

The same business owner last year set up a justgiving page for donations to make up 'Positive Packs' to give to those suffering with breast cancer.

"The cost is 20 pounds which is non profit making and the pack value is worth far more. This will fund a Positive Pack containing Forever Toothgel, Aloe lips, Ever Shield Deodorant, fast break bar and some woolly socks and to every pack I will personally add a heat lotion, an aloe gelly and a herbal blossom tea sachet and an aloe to go."

So the donations will be used by the business owner to buy the items through her own account where she will make a profit from receiving a percentage of what is spent. She will also receive case credits from that. The case credits she received from sending out these Positive Packs will have gone towards her getting the $420k cheque in Dallas in April. So non-profit is not true as the business owner will be profiting in two ways.

The items can also be bought for a LOT less elsewhere, a tube of toothpaste can cost £1 from a supermarket, a stick of deodorant the same. I also wouldn't call toothpaste and deodorant something that anyone pampers themselves with, they are necessities.

The business owner will have used Forever Living products in the bags despite the recipients getting a lot less, and no luxury items, because she benefited herself from doing so. She also would have been able to, and did, use the Positive Packs to advertise Forever Living Products, and at least some of them were given out at a big presentation where the business owner would have been able to present her business opportunity there, some of whom are very vulnerable.

MLM Bot Watch 41 - Forever Living charity giving, are MLMers using charities to increase their CC's while making it look like they are being charitable?
MLM Bot Watch 41 - Forever Living charity giving, are MLMers using charities to increase their CC's while making it look like they are being charitable?
MLM Bot Watch 41 - Forever Living charity giving, are MLMers using charities to increase their CC's while making it look like they are being charitable?
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SSDGM · 04/07/2018 17:26

Broke is “back on the road” in 3 weeks. That would be just over a year since he had that (not MOT’d or Insured) car he bought with his Valentus earnings. What reason would a person have to not drive for a year?.... Oh. Wait.

Ladiva1971 · 04/07/2018 17:42

Love it how he moaned about transport being shit, when HE was late for the train. Hmm

Toobusytowee · 04/07/2018 23:36

The reason Elle Beau got reported was that she shared a post from another website. All identifying details were blacked out. The person who the post was about took offence. This person was a bot who was terrified of her MLM. She was scared the post would be seen by people and the MLM would work out it was from her. Elle explained to her that it was from another page and no one would know it was her. This was not good enough for the bot.

Whiterangey · 05/07/2018 00:03

So there was a post about a bot on another website, so not FB. Elle shared that post.

The bot was terrified of her MLM. Is the bot leaving her MLM or had she just vented somewhere about the MLM?

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BangingOn · 05/07/2018 09:26

Thanks Toobusy that makes sense. Well, it doesn’t but I can understand what happened IYSWIM.

TheMonkeyMummy · 05/07/2018 09:33

This just came up on my instagram and made me laugh

MLM Bot Watch 41 - Forever Living charity giving, are MLMers using charities to increase their CC's while making it look like they are being charitable?
OhMyGodTheyKilledKenny · 05/07/2018 10:09

Grin love it!

Holy Flaps don't mince their words do they?!

SteelyEyes · 05/07/2018 11:35

Can anyone lend me a spare £47 quid? There's this thing on the 17th of August that I really want to go to so I can meet lots of other Valentus leaders and get top tips from some really big networkers and UK based trainers

ArbunneHun · 05/07/2018 12:07

Can someone please explain the Eagle Manager/Senior Manager/Diamond Sapphire Manager thing that FLP UK have posted? Are they new qualifiers, or the only qualifiers for the Eagle Retreat? And other than Blood Sucker, where are all our faves(?) on that list? No Castle, no Yawn...

DoraExplorer99 · 05/07/2018 14:05

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Whiterangey · 05/07/2018 16:19

It's on the UK Managers page.

He lists those who have made Eagle Manager, you don't need to set aside a lot of time to read it, it's very short. 5 seconds should do, 3 if you're a fast reader.

None of our faves are on there as @ArbunneHun said.

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Whiterangey · 05/07/2018 16:29

Also on the UK Managers Facebook is an annoucement that Forever has seen many changes occur during the first half of 2018 and this means alterations to their literature pieces.

He provides the link to look at the changes but you have to be a bot to access this. I'm guessing it's to do with how they made it easier to become a manager.

There is likely also a bit on how to hide that you are having money problems if you are a top bot, how to work out which credit card still has credit available, and how not to cry on camera when thinking of where you will be living in a year.

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ArbunneHun · 05/07/2018 16:43

The Managing Director of FLP UK posted the list on FB today. He’s #ForeverProud of the UK #EMR18 qualifiers! Eeeeeeeeeek!

How do you qualify? What do you get? WHAT DOES IT ALL MEEEEEAAAN????

Whiterangey · 05/07/2018 16:55

"BE ACTIVE AND LEADERSHIP BONUS QUALIFIED EVERY MONTHACCUMULATE AT LEAST 720 TOTAL CASE CREDITS, INCLUDING AT LEAST 100 CASE CREDITS FROM NEW, PERSONALLY SPONSORED DOWNLINES.PERSONALLY SPONSOR AND DEVELOP AT LEAST TWO NEW SUPERVISOR LINES"

Whatever that all means.

You get a trip to Phoenix and bragging rights.

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Happypuppy · 05/07/2018 18:40

I was at a hotel last night and saw a Forever poster advertising their meeting in a basement conference room at 7pm. Saw them leaving around 9:30.

It took all my resolve to not copiously down lots of wine and go down there to kick off. Told the receptionist it was a load of rip off shit anyway.

DoraExplorer99 · 05/07/2018 19:03

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Whiterangey · 05/07/2018 19:41

@DoraExplorer99 Just confirming with you parts of your post.

There were over 100 qualifiers from the UK in 2015? Really? 100 Qualifiers just from the UK?

I'm just checking because going from 100 to 9 in 3 years is rather a large drop.

Wow! That is a huge indication as to how bad things are.

Last year it was 11 plus 3 senior eagle managers, of which one was Castle's sister.

That is all you are getting information about from the facebook page of the Managing Director of FLP UK.

Everything from before February 2017 has been deleted, likely set to 'me only' so nobody can see it.

Nobody can fact check, see how many new managers there have been per month in previous years, no checking of bonus cheques.

No evidence of the showy parties and the good times, no praising of the hundreds of previous supervisors and managers, most of whom are no longer with Forever Living, I checked when it was still up.

No checking the numbers of people who qualified for Eagle Retreat.

Somebody has been whitewashing, now the past can be rewritten, or just not exist.

Although it shows that Yawn has never been someone important in FLP, anything they have ever asked her to do, all the praising, it's all gone, the same with the other top bots.

Things are so bad they don't want new bots seeing how good it was compared to how shit it is now.

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Paddy1234 · 05/07/2018 23:06

I am sure that for one year at the height they chartered a plane as so many qualified. Not its just a row of seats.

Paddy1234 · 05/07/2018 23:12

#now

CodLiverOil556 · 05/07/2018 23:14

Uber has leased a new car. I looked into one of those minis and they're not cheap monthly payments...

JaniceBattersby · 05/07/2018 23:47

I know one of the people that has qualified for the Eagle retreat fairly well. They received their bonus cheque in Texas at the big party where the low earners received theirs. It was in the very low thousands. They’ve just this week qualified as senior manager. I don’t think for one minute they’ve all of a sudden started to do well. I think they’re a stooge. Their FB posts have suddenly, over the past year, changed in tone and focus. Someone in FLP has decided they’re the person of the moment and so is helping them rise through the ranks. I’ve no doubt there’s something odd going on.

Sean1984 · 06/07/2018 00:48

Thats the fake real plane wasnt itGrinGrinSmile

MLM Bot Watch 41 - Forever Living charity giving, are MLMers using charities to increase their CC's while making it look like they are being charitable?
Whiterangey · 06/07/2018 02:20

It was 2016 the plane was chartered for the UK Bots.

The plane was packed, photos on twitter, along with the UK country manager talking about the chartered plane.

Plenty of photos flying around of the photoshopped plane.

Iraq has 20 Eagle Managers
Romania has 14
North America has 10
Australia is sending their first ever one.

Those are the only ones I can see that have posting a full list of who they are sending.

As expected a lot of the Eagle Managers from 2016 are no longer with FLP. Or are so far down now they may as well have left.

So much for being an Eagle Manager taking your business to the next level.

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Norma27 · 06/07/2018 05:02

The 2 that have made senior manager are Uber’s sister and castle’s sister. Nepotism much?

ArbunneHun · 06/07/2018 12:23

Oh god yes! The photoshopped plane to the Aloe plantation in Ibiza! I seem to recall that at least Castle and Yawn tweeted the fake image - and got called out on it! But yes, it was packed with people...

They can charter a people carrier instead this year, save a bit of money... Grin