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MLM Bot Watch 41 - Forever Living charity giving, are MLMers using charities to increase their CC's while making it look like they are being charitable?

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Whiterangey · 27/06/2018 19:38

Are charities being used by MLMer's to gain CC's, gain new leads, and get rid of stock?

Here is an example of a top Forever Living Business Owner in the UK taking advantage of a charity.

It may look like she is doing something good for the charity but she isn't. The charity will be getting 20% of profits. The business owner, the current UK number 2 in Forever Living, who recently picked up a $420,000 cheque at the Forever Living global rally in Dallas is just getting her Case Credits (CC's) up, and hoping to get new leads to sign up under her.

For everything that she sold Forever Living will have taking the biggest cut, then the business owners upline will have taken a cut, and then the business owner herself. Her profit will be very small and then she was only going to give away to the charity 20% of that. It could be as little as £10, probably a lot less, despite the members of the group spending hundreds of pounds with her. I hope she had the decency to at least add to it. For a 'charity night' where someone who has received multi-million dollars in cheques, and received $420k two months ago you'd expect at least 3 figures to be donated. 20% of her profits from that night will have been ridiculously small.

The charity will be getting even less as you can see she is running special offers which will come out of her profit, reducing the amount available to the charity even more.

As you can see in one of the screenshots someone in the local area of the charity attempted to warn the charity that the business owners motives may not be as charitable as it seems and the business owner wants to take the discussion away from public view, and then deleted the reply instead of giving a reply to show that the poster was wrong. She can't show the poster is wrong as the poster is right so instead chose to make it all go away.

The screenshot of a slide is one used by someone in the business owners downline, who correctly refers to the charity night as 'a launch' which is what it was, it wasn't for charity, it was for the business owner to sell her products and hopefully get some new recruits to her business.

The same business owner last year set up a justgiving page for donations to make up 'Positive Packs' to give to those suffering with breast cancer.

"The cost is 20 pounds which is non profit making and the pack value is worth far more. This will fund a Positive Pack containing Forever Toothgel, Aloe lips, Ever Shield Deodorant, fast break bar and some woolly socks and to every pack I will personally add a heat lotion, an aloe gelly and a herbal blossom tea sachet and an aloe to go."

So the donations will be used by the business owner to buy the items through her own account where she will make a profit from receiving a percentage of what is spent. She will also receive case credits from that. The case credits she received from sending out these Positive Packs will have gone towards her getting the $420k cheque in Dallas in April. So non-profit is not true as the business owner will be profiting in two ways.

The items can also be bought for a LOT less elsewhere, a tube of toothpaste can cost £1 from a supermarket, a stick of deodorant the same. I also wouldn't call toothpaste and deodorant something that anyone pampers themselves with, they are necessities.

The business owner will have used Forever Living products in the bags despite the recipients getting a lot less, and no luxury items, because she benefited herself from doing so. She also would have been able to, and did, use the Positive Packs to advertise Forever Living Products, and at least some of them were given out at a big presentation where the business owner would have been able to present her business opportunity there, some of whom are very vulnerable.

MLM Bot Watch 41 - Forever Living charity giving, are MLMers using charities to increase their CC's while making it look like they are being charitable?
MLM Bot Watch 41 - Forever Living charity giving, are MLMers using charities to increase their CC's while making it look like they are being charitable?
MLM Bot Watch 41 - Forever Living charity giving, are MLMers using charities to increase their CC's while making it look like they are being charitable?
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Orchardgreen · 06/08/2018 09:03

Please could someone pm the names of Messiah, Wig, sleaze and broke Bot? Thank you

ArbunneHun · 06/08/2018 11:38

Salon has been quiet for a few weeks. Anyone know what’s happening there?

PerryPerryThePlatypus · 06/08/2018 13:36

I wonder do they know deep down its all just a scam? How do they deal with that if they do? How do they expect to be seen as good honest people? I have seen a friend literally break down and be reconstructed into a zombie bot by Messiah and his Truly Scammy Life.

Spongebobette · 06/08/2018 14:17

It's hard to tell isn't it. There must be some element of self deception or wilful blindness.

I remember someone on here (was it @Doratheexplorer ?) saying that she always believed than when she got the promotion to Manager she'd be in the big money.. but then was told 'this is where the hard work starts' and saw the reality

User212434667 · 06/08/2018 15:22

Does anyone know if Thermomix counts among the ‘dodgy’ MLM ranks? I know they do use recruit ‘teams’ and the higher level gets a percentage of the lower tiers sales. The product itself is fantastic though, and the business is genuinely based on selling Thermomixes to customers (no crappy products the Rep has to invest in themselves).

I’ve been asked to rep so I can ‘earn’ my own machine. It’s not my thing, but it was very light touch. The person I know selling them genuinely seems to earn money, and no social media ‘hunning’.

I’d be happy to knock it off my list of concerns! I was mortified to have to attend a poonique party the other day, I thought my friends knew better!

Spongebobette · 06/08/2018 15:41

Sounds like it’s an MLM - found this (from Australia but it won’t be any different here)
You have to spend $350 for a starter kit

www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.news.com.au/news/thermomix-employees-reveal-what-its-like-to-work-for-the-nasty-cult-kitchen-brand/news-story/77b4e029147f18b681752a82792f2045

ArbunneHun · 06/08/2018 22:28

Poor old Sacked By Ariiiix is selling her collection of #Loubs and cocktail frocks to raise money to go on holiday with the kids. Looks like her mermaid-themed waist-training MLM has yet to set the hun world on fire. Maybe she should’ve joined Messiah instead of calling him & his team out for poaching..?

Whiterangey · 07/08/2018 00:47

She must be absolutely broke. Selling everything she can for a holiday. I think she likely had the holiday booked for a while but is now too broke for spending money. A holiday for that many people will cost more than £1000, even a UK based holiday.

Oh how the mighty have fallen.

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ArbunneHun · 07/08/2018 06:25

There’s a warning there for all Uber-Bots: one day it’s all £700 shoes, massive rented mansions/huge mortgages, big flash cars and no-expense spared family holidays... and the next minute you’re scrabbling for the rent, flogging the Maserati and worrying about paying the bills. You can lose it all, almost literally overnight. If your sales start slowing, your MLM may stop turning a blind eye to your bullying, cheating the bonus qualifications or ‘misinterpretation’ of the rules - and terminate you. Or the pyramid could just collapse. And being pregnant or having children to support is absolutely no protection.

There is nothing you can do. If they terminate you, you have no legal comeback. Read your contracts: they can just drop you like a stone.

Norma27 · 07/08/2018 07:49

How the mighty have fallen indeed.
I hope other ‘big’ bots see this and are shitting themselves.

NynaeveSedai · 07/08/2018 08:06

Thermomix is as much a MLM as any of them. Avoid

Whiterangey · 07/08/2018 13:25

Other bots believe this won't happen to them, she obviously did something wrong.

I know there were claims of bullying, which was the reason given for her sacking, everyone else will just think their bullying isn't that bad.

If you don't get sacked your MLM can fail overnight, or just decide to go proper retail, like the Tyra MLM. Your CEO status is meaningless, you do not own your own business, all you are doing is earning money for the owner of the MLM,

Bit shocked that Sacked has admitted to money problems of this severity.

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dickiedavisthunderthighs · 07/08/2018 14:24

whiterangey me too.

She could have sold her things quietly on eBay and nobody would have been any the wiser. I think it's very interesting that she's doing this so publicly and at the moment I'm not entirely sure why.

Tw1nsetAndPearls · 07/08/2018 14:43

Sacked is now selling her cookbook cheap

ArbunneHun · 07/08/2018 14:46

She’s been very open/honest about having the financial rug pulled from under her feet. Also about dealing with keeping a roof over her children’s heads, selling her car, coping with a newborn, dealing with PND - she’s laid it all out in the open. Her rationale for starting her own MLM was completely her need to avoid this ever happening to her again.

I don’t think there’s anything more to it than the fact that she very much lays her life bare on social media. Much less carefully edited/curated for “lifestyle” than our friends at FL, for example.

ArbunneHun · 07/08/2018 14:51

More interesting news: looks like FB are starting to finally crack down on people using their personal profiles for “business”. Lives are being removed by FB from lots of personal pages if they mention business or training or products. This is hitting both bots and “mindset coaches”.

Expect to see a flurry of our faves finally setting up business pages and groups. And then remember that FB algorithms no longer prioritise businesses... unless you pay. So this is yet another cost for bots to bear/another nail in the MLM coffin.

Whiterangey · 07/08/2018 14:51

Ebay takes time, you have to list it, either get someone to buy it now or wait until bidding ends, either option could take days, or not sell at all. Then you have to wait until they pay.

Facebook is a lot quicker, either cash in hand, or instantly via paypal. Someone asked her to keep something until the end of August and she said she can't as she needs to book the holiday by the end of the week, she needs the money NOW!

She also signed another contract to rent her expensive 6 bedroom house for another period last month, which she likely can't afford. I imagine she is claiming housing benefit, but they will only pay up to a certain level. I cannot understand maintaining a champagne lifestyle on beer money, sooner or later it's all going to fall down around you and you will end up worse off.

I predict there will be more things sold.

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Tw1nsetAndPearls · 07/08/2018 14:57

I think that sacked also gives a carefully curated " I am just like you" image too.

Tw1nsetAndPearls · 07/08/2018 14:58

Fewer fees selling on FB too

CheekySmile · 07/08/2018 17:48

Just popping in to recommend you all listen to the latest ‘Sounds Like MLM But OK’ podcast. A fab interview with a former Amway bot who tells all.

Paddy1234 · 07/08/2018 20:30

I am in awe of Castle's Bruv
How anyone can have a following of nearly 7k followers and repeatedly only get between 5-10 likes on each post must be applauded.
Hopefully, just hopefully the end is nigh

Whiterangey · 07/08/2018 20:42

The other 6995 of his followers are too in awe of his amazingness to be able to post.

Him and his non castle sister can only be surviving as their parents are wealthy. I can't see any other way in which they can keep up with the lifestyle they appear to lead.

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CodLiverOil556 · 07/08/2018 20:51

Can someone PM me who sacked bot is please

Sean1984 · 07/08/2018 21:03

Thats a popular thing on instagram, you can have like 20,000 followers , but the photos put up have always like less then 100 likes!! Thats usually a sign that the person bought followers. Prob same on facebook

Afishblowingbubbles · 07/08/2018 21:05

I really havnt got a clue who sacked bot is. Any clues anybody. Tried my best to find out who she is.Smile

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